https://www.duolingo.com/moi_magnus

Decaying all too quickly..

I am currently at level 20 in French and I have finished all the units. Of course, I still have a lot to learn and I have set up a goal to fulfill before Christmas: to reach level 25. Being an esthete, I also try to keep all the units golden. Though, it constantly feels like everything DECAYS WAY TOO QUICKLY! For instance, I currently need to practice the "Possessives" unit 3-5 times per day. A couple of hours ago, I made sure that every unit was golden. Then, I went for a walk, only to find twelve of my lessons decayed two hours later. It is very exhausting and not especially encouraging to see this every time when I log in. Particularly, the units containing only one or two lessons decay seem to decay immediately. Anyone else facing the same problem?

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/pont
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3-5 times per day!? Surely this has to be a bug. I suspect that tatou will pop up here soon to offer some wisdom on this -- if not, maybe you should drop him a note on his stream. I know he's working on some improvements to the decay algorithm at the moment.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Awesum_Domo

Same happens to me it decays to quickly!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/akhansson
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I feel mine decay way too slow. I guess they are experimenting.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FrankySka
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I agree. I opted in the faster decay option and I think it helps with me relearning the newest words that I of course don't know right away. Before I definitely though everything decays way too slowly . Now I feel like I am actually practicing stuff I really don't know very well (hence I struggle to finish the lessons, which I thin is a great challenge. Loving it!). However, all my skills are back to gold again - I only had very few changes in colors in the first place.

So yes, if anything stuff decays/ed too slow, not too fast.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/check2012

Where is this "faster decay" option at? I can't find it under Settings. I would certainly like to opt into that as well!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FrankySka
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there is no option. it is only tested on a few users - there was a post in the discussion a few days ago, but they have enough people and i think do not add any further ones

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jack.Elliot
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yes, it is nice how there is nothing golden in my german board

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/moi_magnus

Though I do believe that the decay frequency rises with levels, but I may be wrong!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ConLanger12
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If anything, I think it should drop with levels.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/moi_magnus

It should, but I don't think that's the reality, unfortunately..

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ConLanger12
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Yeah. I'm not sure that's how it is either... :-(

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ruth-mac
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That doesn't sound right moi_magnus. Mine takes much longer to decay than that. Although maybe you used the shortcuts? I've had to get words correct on numerous occasions to pass each level. Maybe it's different if you moved through some shortcuts to finish the units. But still - 3 times a day for possessives is not right for anyone!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/moi_magnus

No, I've only used a shortcut once, and that was in the very beginning of my Duo odyssey..

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wombatua
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Consistently happens with the Formal You in German for me - and only Formal You.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stecchetto
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Duolingo is currently experimenting with shorter decay times for some users:

http://www.duolingo.com/comment/997120

I would contact the staff with your feedback. They might also let you opt out of the experiment.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/moi_magnus

Oh I see, thanks! Though this has been a problem for more than three days, which appears to be the number of days since they launched it.. Well, I guess that it may have something to do with that, I'll check it. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xiuhtecuhtli

That post says that the change "should also help with certain pesky words that seem to decay quickly no matter how often you practice them". That sounds like exactly the problem you're having. So you are probably in the group of users who do NOT have the change, unfortunately.

I can't find the thread now, but it's been mentioned before that some people who tend to practice very often encounter strange behaviour in the word strength/decay system. You could try to leave a day or two between practices, if you can stand it, and see if that helps things.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ashiplo
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I had the same problem until a few days ago - certain French lessons in my tree would constantly decay so quickly, and I could never stay on top of all the words that needed reviewing.

It seems to have cleared up for me since the recent changes in decay strength (http://www.duolingo.com/comment/997120) so hopefully you should see some improvement soon!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheEugenius
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I am having the same problem. Words that I've only seen once in the lessons a month ago are at full bars, while the words that I always get right in practice decay everyday.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TTANTAWY
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Same problem here. I even stopped doing timed practice to get as much as I can to keep everything fully golden and I started painstakingly redoing every unit in the skill instead, but they still decay much too quickly. At first I thought it had something to do with the mistakes I was making but then again sometimes I don't make any mistakes and still they decay, so I'm not sure what it is. I think I'll just use the 'remove from practice' option in the Vocabulary section for the words that I'm already familiar with, so that they don't decay and see what happens.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StuartGlasgow

I thought the way Duolingo worked was to figure out which areas you struggle in and get you to repeat them more often, whilst if you get some words correct all the time you will probably not see them that much. I am curious, do you struggle with Possessives? Or do you get them all right every time? If you are still getting a few wrong in this section Duo's algorithm has probably picked this up and is making you do them again perhaps?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/moi_magnus

I have studied French for nearly seven years now, and possessives is in my opinion among the most basic elements of the French language. The sentences in "Possessives" are truly engraved in my cortex by now, I can often write the translation just after the first or the second word. I get them all right about every time, and it is so tiring that one of the things I am most certain about, without hesitation, is the thing I am obliged to sleep my way through every time using Duolingo. In addition, I find it quite annoying that these possessives occur in about every unit, but without being trained there. You must, nearly without any exceptions, train them in the "Possessives" practice mode...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StuartGlasgow

Definitely sounds like a bug in that case. One last possibility I can think of: If I am using the android app I find it doesn't always update properly, sometimes I need to change the language and then back again. (It shows that several units are needing reviewed when I know I have already refreshed them on the website. Changing language then back shows the up to date list of what is needing done.)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ntaurins
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Mine seem to decay after a couple days of not practicing that particular word. In French, where I know only a couple dozen words, this is a good pace for me, because it encourages me to practice often. However, I am at a higher level in Spanish, and know more than 900 words. It is simply not possible to practice every one of my Spanish words every day or two so that they do not decay. So, I am tending to agree with you, as once you have achieved a higher level in a particular language it is impossible to keep up without it decaying. I would think that there would be a way to integrate new skills (i.e. the "new lessons") with the words that you need to practice ("decaying words") [for example, if I am learning fruits but need to practice colors, I might get the sentence "I eat the red apple."], but this does not seem to be the case. For now, I'm just learning to accept "pretty good" (three bars) as a good point to be at, so long as I am still practicing some vocab every day.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gagemlee

yeah, I'm with you there

4 years ago
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