https://www.duolingo.com/profile/augiemarquez

Easiest way to learn Broad vs Slender Consants that I have yet encountered.

Everytime I start up with Gaelic again the exact pronunciation of the broad and slender vowels confuses me endlessly. I read the Wikipedia articles on Palatalization and Velarization and it does not help me too much.

This video on the other hand dumbed things down perfectly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIokUII7LX0

I highly recommend it for anyone who is also struggling.

August 23, 2015

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/galaxyrocker

Just be careful. There's a couple of mistakes in there.

August 23, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/G.P.Niers

Due to a bug in Duolingo your link doesn't work. Here's a working one.

August 23, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/catalina_marina

Thank you too, btw, for repeatedly warning us against mistakes in different sources.

August 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/augiemarquez

Thank you for the heads up (:

August 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/catalina_marina

Many thanks. Even if not everything she explains is completely correct, as galaxyrocker says, it does add an interesting concept of which I had no idea yet, and it explains some of what I have been wondering about.

August 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fingolfin1346

There's also a bit of conspiracy theorizing going on in that forum. "Pure WASP arrogance"? In the comments she does acknowledge that she's not a native speaker. Would it be even possible to provide a guide that is comprehensive regarding the realization of sounds by native speakers in all the major dialects, and takes into account the changes in pronunciation between generations even among native speakers, and still have something accessible to learners?

Could some of the people on the ILF provide a better video since they understand Irish pronunciation exceedingly well?

August 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/galaxyrocker

Would it be even possible to provide a guide that is comprehensive regarding the realization of sounds by native speakers in all the major dialects, and takes into account the changes in pronunciation between generations even among native speakers, and still have something accessible to learners?

Fuaimeanna na Gaeilge is much better, and doesn't come at it from the perspective of a non-native Anglophone.

August 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Knocksedan

Fuaimeanna na Gaeilge isn't quite as accessible as a 15 minute YouTube video.

My reaction on reading the responses in ILF was "with supporters like this, is it any wonder that Irish is in the state it's in". "You're doing it wrong" isn't what I'd call constructive criticism. Accent is a completely different issue from dialect, and it doesn't just affect the way we form certain sounds, it effects the way we hear them too, so people with different accents will have a different perception of what sounds make a difference in the way Irish is spoken.

(As an example, the way that Blas was pronounced by the various people in the BBC NI documentary yesterday, with a very flat a sound is noticably different from the pronunciation that I learned (somewhere between Munster and Connacht pronunciation) and quite different from the Ulster pronunciation on teanglann.ie

I can sort of hear the difference between an "English d" and an "Irish d" when I pay attention to the mechanics of how I say DĂșn an doras! but for the life of me I can't hear that "Irish d" when I listen to the examples for doras.

And don't get me started on the n/r thing!

August 25, 2015
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