Weekly Incubator Update: Tracking Progress from August 23rd to August 30th
Six in the club 90
And now the "German for Turkish" team joins the 90s club. It is time for the courses to start hatching. We should soon be getting a few courses in our hands.
For some reason, two courses - XYZ from Chinese show negative progress. Lacking any communication from their side, it is hard to know what exactly happened. Perhaps they just reset their trees... I have omitted these two courses for calculating the average progress for this week.
Thought for the week
PHASE 1 Progress: Total 26 courses
Spanish for German - 99% | 99% | 99% | 99% (+0)
German for French - 86% | 95% | 98% | 99% (+1)
Russian for English - 97% | 97% | 97% | 98% (+1)
German for Portuguese - 91% | 93% | 95% | 96% (+1)
English for Thai - 90% | 90% | 91% | 91% (+0)
German for Turkish - 85% | 87% | 89% | 90% (+1)
Hungarian for English - 80% | 80% | 80% | 80% (+0) ^
Spanish for Russian - 70% | 72% | 74% | 76% (+2)
French for Italian - 70% | 70% | 71% | 72% (+1)
German for Italian - 70% | 70% | 71% | 71% (+0)
Polish for English - 55% | 56% | 57% | 66% (+9) *
Spanish for Italian - 62% | 62% | 62% | 62% (+0)
Vietnamese for English - 54% | 54% | 54% | 54% (+0)
Swedish for Russian - 49% | 50% | 50% | 52% (+2)
Catalan for Spanish - 15% | 24% | 37% | 46% (+9) *
Hebrew for English - 39% | 41% | 43% | 45% (+2)
Romanian for English - 39% | 39% | 39% | 40% (+1)
Greek for English - 34% | 33% | 33% | 33% (+0)
Spanish for Chinese - 54% | 54% | 54% | 26% (-28) #
Hindi for English - 18% | 18% | 18% | 20% (+2) ^
Klingon for English - 14% | 15% | 15% | 16% (+1)
Portuguese for French - (New) 14% | 16% (+2)
Italian for Portuguese - (New) 10% | 12% (+2)
Yiddish for English - 8% | 8% | 8% | 8% (+0)
Czech for English - 6% | 7% | 8% | 8% (+0) ^
French for Chinese - 40% | 40% | 40% | 5% (-35) #
Mean - 0.83% | 1.21% | 2.04% | 1.42% (-0.62)
Median - 1% | 0% | 1% | 1% (+0)
* This week's Leader Extraordinaire!
^ The Hungarian, Hindi, & Czech teams' progress is as per their own calculation
# Omitted from the calculation of mean
Here's what the contributing teams have said during the last week:
Course Update 15/08/29
Reports per 100 users: 4.07 (2015/8/22: ~4.47)
Total # of reports: ~1576 (2015/8/22: ~3500)
Please send us your careful reports
과정 업데이트 15/08/29
사용자 신고율: 유저 100명당 4.07개 (2015/8/22: ~4.47개)
신고 총계: ~1576개 (2015/8/22: ~3500개)
신고는 신중하게 하시길 바랍니다
Работа продолжается - полпути пройдено!
Спешим поделиться хорошими новостями со всеми, кто ждёт выхода курса “Шведский для русскоговорящих” и поддерживает нашу команду! Сегодня новостей у нас три:
- Мы наконец-то преодолели второй рубеж
- Курс достиг 50% планки
- У нас появился новый сотрудник — мы очень рады включить в нашу команду toOliya
Мы с новыми силами продолжаем трудиться и, конечно, будем держать вас в курсе событий!
Summary in English: we've reached the second checkpoint, the course is 50% ready, and we have a new and highly qualified contributor – welcome toOliya!
A few final pieces
I would like to thank everyone for their patience. The course having spent more than a year in development, its release into Beta is drawing near at last. We can all but see the finishing line :). The course is likely to be finished in the coming weeks.
We have already chosen the Text-to-Speech solution that our course is going to use; Duolingo team is working on integrating its API. In the meantime, we have taken the liberty of restructuring the opening section of the tree. The edits are almost finished, so now, I am inclined to believe, it should better reflect how Russian is taught these days. It has become more fun, too, because a number of popular words appear eariler than they used to.
Here is how our tree looks now:
It has certainly put on some weight!
Another update is to follow in a few days.
Mise à jour du 30 août 2015
Bonjour à tous ! La sortie de la phase bêta est de plus en plus proche: pour la première fois, la moyenne hebdomadaire des rapports est au-dessous de 3 (2,92) ! À bientôt,
A l'estiu tota cuca viu! (En verano todo bicho vive)
En verano estamos más vivos que nunca!!
Estamos trabajando mucho para que todos podáis disfrutar del curso lo antes posible! Me gustaría dar las gracias a @asfarer por el gran trabajo que está realizando. Juntos, el equipo a logrado un avance muy significativo las últimas semanas. Gracias a todos!
Dicho esto, celebrar que estamos llegando al último checkpoint y a la mitad del curso, en términos de palabras completadas (progreso 969/2130). Mi previsión es que el ritmo en las últimas fases de la creación del curso será más lento, dado que necesitaremos ayuda de voluntarios de diferentes regiones para verificar que las soluciones se adaptan a todos los gustos.
Ens veiem en breus! (Nos vemos pronto)
Week 12: 20% complete, beta launch 10-Dec-2015
Yes, we are moving.
TL;DR Solid progress this week as well. Six courses in the 90s.
p.s. I am still not getting ANY email notifications from Duolingo - not when someone comments here, not when someone posts on my stream, not one when someone pings me inside the incubator either. I have checked to make sure that I didn't turn off such setting by accident.
So, if you have been expecting to hear from me, please bear with me until I get the email notifications sorted out.
The next update is expected on Sunday, 6th of September at 3:00 pm UTC. (It might come out a little earlier since I will be traveling to India).
Previous Update 16-Aug to 23-Aug
I'm sure I'm not alone in this sentiment, but I wanted to thank you for taking the time to collate all the data and language progress each week and releasing it to the people. It definitely provides me with something I look forward to waking up to on a Monday morning :)
You're most welcome! I too look forward to publishing this data each week! :)
I'm a bit surprised that Duo still hasn't made these updates official.
And omg, Russian is so close. I would start counting down the remaining skills if I could in real time.
Will the Russian tree be longer than the French one?! :o
Also, why did the Spanish and French courses for Chinese speakers collapse?
POLISH FOR ENGLISH SPEAKERS +9%!!! GO GO GO TEAM POLISH!!!!!!!! :D
The Russian tree is somewhat shorter. There are several good reasons for that:
- it is easier to teach nouns than verbs, and the temptation is too high if you decide to add more words
- the course is rather long already
- more stuff gets thrown away as you progress. Duolingo is not well suited to giving language at a more advanced level. The farther you go, adding more and more words, the harder it is to justify why you should add these exact words, and throw out the other ones, which are no less popular. The reason being, of course, that translating stuff to English makes certain words "inconvenient", even if there is nothing wrong with them.
This is good to know! Just curious, have you and your team included the top 1,000 most frequently used Russian words? Or is it mostly whatever words best teach a given lesson?
I heard word frequency lists are often used in language courses so new speakers will understand most of the words they come across. This enables them to understand the gist of what someone is saying the foreign language.
We used frequency lists as a reference but—no, we didn't include the first 1000. Frequency lists are quite hard to deal with, because they are just so very dependent on what kind of material you use to compile them.
OK, let's imagine some godly being analyzes ALL the language heard and read by ALL native speakers in the last 50 years. Even this "true" frequency list will tend to be rather difficult to learn from, as all the auxiliary words come first. The English TOP-50 list has no nouns, for example. It won't even depend much on what kind of corpus you use — a transcript of 1000 hours of converstations in a prison, a database of movie subtitles or a large database of scientific papers. Languages objectively use function words and words with vague meanings ("you", "do", "mother", "person", "here") more often.
So, various frequency lists have not been our only source, nor have they been the primary one. I did pay attention to words that form TOP-200, though, and also was watching the popular words that evaded our grasp for too long (if there was no apparent reason why we should not include them).
Hey, I just wanted to point out, is that bonus skill supposed to say "Manimals?"
That looked like Manners to me. Alphabet1 had me looking for Alphabet2 through the rest of the tree.
maybe Manymals. Or just Animals 2 :). I am not yet sure what would be the shortest way to call a skill that has names of various common animals, too many to include in your basic course. We all like our tigers, salmon, sharks, magpies, starlings and wildebeasts, but 5-10 animals are enough for EVERY user. The rest whould be left to those who are willing to learn more.
Animals 2 sounds good. Thanks for all your work on this course. I look forward to learning Russian, but please don't feel rushed to complete it by any specific date. Take your time and get it all "just right". We can wait. ;-)
The Russian tree is so big :O Imagine trying to keep it fully gold! 76 skills in total (excluding the bonus skills)!
Haha yeah, and it still can't teach you the whole Russian xD That's really a fun thing.
Don't be discouraged by the size. In fact, that seems about the right size to set a learning pattern for russian learners. You have to understand that Russian is considered by some one of the hardest languages for English speakers to learn. Well, besides Mandarin and Arabic being harder, Russian has its tricky situations. Some words don't translate into English all the way, and even speaking is difficult (first-hand account).
My advice would be to go slow through that tree. Unless of you have a 1-2 years worth of experience learning the language, then you can probably cruise through the first part of the tree.
Come on, it is an Indo-European language. Russian has a history of Gothic, German, Dutch, French and English borrowings (Persian and Turkic, too, unfortunately) and is not all that different structurally. It is not amongst the easiest but could not be the hardest.
Unfortunately?! Persian is just as Indo-European as Russian and there is a long history of exchanging words between the Turkic and Slavic word (with a lot more words being taken from Russian to Turkic languages) ;)
If those borrowings are unfortunate, so are the borrowings from Gothic, German, Dutch, French and English.
Borrowing words from or through Persian is unfortunate for foreign learners that speak English and/or German.
Which one is unfortunate? The occupation of Iranian territories by Russia (which resulted in those words being borrowed into/from Persian) or the borrowed words themselves.
Despite the above fact, you seem to be more bitter to Persian...! (referring to the fact that you consider influence of Persian language i.e. one of the oldest languages on other languages unfortunate).
It's not one of the hardest. It's considered medium difficulty for English speakers.
I think it is like the upper end of medium? But I would agree that I do not think it is classified as hardest. http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty There is an interesting article
I'm wondering what would be a reasonable amount of time to complete the Russian tree, compared to the time it takes for the romance languages (which seems to be about 6 months).
I was planning to try to complete the Russian tree in 6 months, and then study Arabic. But now I'm wondering if maybe I should take a year for Russian before moving on to Arabic. I only have experience with Spanish, Italian and Portuguese (mostly Spanish).
The English from Russian tree has only 56! I finished it this summer. I guess I still have a lot of Russian to learn, haha.
Only reason it isn't freaking me out is that I do have some prior Russian experience...hopefully some of the skills will not require me to learn all of the vocab or grammar for the first time. ;-)
So excited for Polish!! At this rate maybe we'll even have it by the new year. You guys are fantastic.
Yeah, we really think that it will work out next week. We are actually ready, so there should be no big problem despite the fact that we still have our counting problem with the 99 percent (in reality we are at 100 percent). Staff says it shouldn't be a problem. We just will go for it and hope that the counting issue goes away all by itself. I hope the incubator won't explode because of this :D. Wish us luck haha.
Yay Polish moved.
Come on lads, I want to be able to understand what guys at work are saying to each other!
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Wow, the Russian tree looks huge, no wonder it took so long! I bet it's going to be awesome. I can't wait! :D
Я много хочу русский язык в Дуолинго! Counting down the days til Russian.
Excited to see that the Russian tree is so long, and that they have bonus skills! I don't think any other incubator course has had bonus skills!
That Russian tree looks soooo long! I love it and cannot wait to get going on it!
There is also new post from Czech team with information about their progress.
Yes, but unfortunately that came in too late to be included this week... I will add it next week.
The drop from the Spanish and French for Chinese speakers is probably due to the stock market crash.
Thanks for the notice. I do not look for updates for Phase 3 courses, unless I have been notified. (Due to the aforementioned glitch, if someone did notify, I must have missed it). Will add it next week...
Gratki dla polskiej i katalońskiej drużyny! :D Congrats for Polish and Catalan teams! :D
And by Catan, you meant Catalan, right? Or should we welcome the Settlers of Catan Team?
Catalan - mała wpadka z klawiaturą XD Dzięx ;) Catalan - little mistake with keyboard XD Thanks ;)
Have faith. It's not like the languages similar to English where you can slide by the course because it has its similarities, you have to know the grammar . Also, you have to be able to understand tat Russian words change spelling depending on your adjective and pronoun.
Thanks for the encouragement!! I guess instead of saying "never," I should say "It will probably be 3-4 years before I finish." It took me two years to finish French, one to finish Spanish, and I don't know about German since I've started and stopped but I'd say a year of frequent efforts (and I'm still not finished - 15 skills left). Esperanto, I finished in three months, but I already knew the language pretty well and the tree is shorter. After finishing German I'll do Irish, which I find to be a much more difficult language than Spanish, so I'll be surprised if I finish it by the end of 2016. Russian, I'd say it will take me over a year, if not a full two... Hopefully I'll have sped up my learning speed by then!! Thanks again for your encouragement - I'll get there, even if it takes me a year to start and two years to finish the Russian course :-D
No problem. Then again, you also need to understand some people chose to take the Ukrainian course because they wanted to familiarise themselves with the so called "Cyrillic Alphabet", even though the Russian and Ukrainian alphabet are different in a way.
Could this be it? Is Romanian finally progressing, even if only 1 per cent? THEN GO ROMANIAN! Also, Catalan is still going strong... it's amazing!
Maybe I missed an update or a discussion, but I'd really like to know what's happening with those courses for Chinese speakers. Did they suddenly add a bunch of new empty skills to the trees? I know a lot of people who could benefit from these courses, but I'm reluctant to mention them to anyone until there's some hope that they could be finished within a year. I'd really like to spread the joy of language-learning through Duolingo in Taiwan, where people mostly just learn English as a required foreign language (seldom well enough to benefit from the courses for English speakers), but rarely any other language.
This page says 80%, not 96%. They started with an empty tree, so the numbers on the incubator page are wrong. The numbers here are the team's own estimate.
They posted an update a few weeks ago, saying they were regrouping. Hopefully they've found some new contributors and will start moving again soon.
Yes, the number in the incubator is not real, but the fact that it is changing should mean that they are working on it. Let's hope it's true.
Polish is just going at lightning speeds! I wonder if it will be ready before I visit Poland even! Hebrew also making good progress. Judging by the amount of content on the Russian tree, I might even want to learn Russian(need to learn a mission critical language for extra points on the Foreign Service Officer Test).