Duolingo is getting more human
Language is often something that happens face to face. You order from a barista, tell a taxi driver where you’re heading, ask a stranger for directions, or talk to a friend about your day.
In each of these situations, there is context to the language you hear. “What are you looking at?” can be a very different sentence depending on whether it comes from a curious friend, or an upset stranger who thinks they caught you staring. In languages like Spanish and French, words can change depending on the gender of the person speaking them. And “What nice skin you have” is simply more humorous coming from a large, talking spider.
And so we are trying something new: characters in Duolingo. Starting today with iOS and our most popular languages (Android, Web, and other languages are on their way. I know, some of you hate me right now), there is a cast of over 100 characters who will speak Duolingo’s sentences. There are adults and children, boys and girls, people from different professions, from different parts of the world—there might even be a few animals, an astronaut, and a zombie thrown in for good measure.
These characters bring life and humor to the language you’re learning. They bring a mix of male and female speakers for variety in the voices you hear. They bring a human—and occasionally not-so-human—touch to each and every sentence.
Over time, we plan to bring more real-world context to the situations you come across in Duolingo. More waiters and chefs in the restaurant, more teachers and students in the school. Because language comes from the minds and mouths of unique people, in unique situations, and we want to prepare you for these situations.
This is a cool cosmetic change, but I wonder how it will impact the actual language learning?
I bet the images will have a good mnemonic effect. I saw on the iOS update log that the voices will change too. It'll be great to have exposure to different voices! Are they still TTS?
And last... which languages are "our most popular"? I assume English, Spanish, French, and German, based on the graphic, but which trees exactly are getting this feature?
I don't agree that it's merely cosmetic. Many of the sentences do lack context, and I support any efforts to add more. I think that will help learning for that reason and the mnemonic effect you mentioned.
The voices are still TTS, and they're actually the same, but now some courses have men's TTS voices for when a male is speaking.
I'd honestly rather see tips and notes in the apps before this. If people are going to learn the language properly on mobile, they need the tips and notes.
I think, from my experience as a Systems Analyst, and my experience only as a user on this environment, that there will be underlying reasons of complexity - and the cost versus potential implementation - versus reach-ability - versus complexity - etc, that have had bearing on all this issue.
This whole platform is a baby in the wild west of the internet. Even its culture is in a wild storm of flux. Sometimes cutting some slack - and talking to the best possible dream - not knocking what is - and bringing down what is provided - essentially inspiringly already available, with no comparison - for free - for the end learner - will help better dreams and better options to take flight. The depth and breadth of this community frequently takes me by surprise. The services for learning - provided for free. And the community it is developing into. And you are part of this. In the time I have been here - I have gained a trust of the movement behind the screen (the duolingo platform). And - yes - it has captured my hopes and dreams - for the future.
A potentially better future for humans and this precious and delicate planet that supports us being able to live.
Will there be an option to turn this off? That is my major question after reading this post. I understand where Duo feels this would be good, but personally I feel like this makes Duolingo almost like a childrens game, not a serious language learning website.
An interesting point to raise - an option to modify the interface to users preferences ! To suit the options that the user feels most comfortable or advantageous for their learning journey.
They'll most likely test it, see that people learn better with it, and then force it on all users.
It's not so much that it makes it feel like a children's game for me as I feel like I'm actually in a weird way being exposed to people, and as strange as it is I was used to Duolingo being a solitary activity. I don't know how long it'll take me to adjust to this method.
Yes! This is my only question. Could someone please answer this?
I don't know if it will be cute or annoying, so the option to turn it off would make me feel better.
Don't count on it. Duolingo does not like optional functionalities. There are more things I'd like to tweak about my user experience on Duolingo, but it's not there and likely never will be. The only thing I found was "Duolingo Tweaks", an add-in for Chrome that unfortunately doesn't work.
I know, some of you hate me right now)
Spot on... Just kidding. It's a welcome feature, but it indeed saddens me that iOS users get to have priority over android or, moreso, web ones.
Android is run on thousands of different devices, with hundreds of different screen sizes, performance characteristics, etc. It's not as easy to release an app on Android that will look good and run well for everybody. iOS has... 4 screen sizes to deal with. I think this may influence developers to go after iOS first. Though why not the web? That I'm not as sure about.
Is it? I've never seen any statistics on the matter. EDIT: and well, it'd be surprising to me, considering the market share of android in comparison to iOS.
Also, I don't get why am I getting downvotes.
Never stress about the down votes - I have come to learn the hard way. Though I have been known to sometimes check in with another person to make sure I am not being "off color". (usually not on the discussion itself though). Usually they resurrect themselves after about a day. It is just that we are an open environment, and sometimes you get a bunch go through that think in different ways and have different motivations to what you an I might have. And I am sure even you and I differ ! But that is also why it is an interesting environment. It makes you think ;)
Back on topic - they will have had to have started somewhere, and it is great they are able to roll out something new. And by what has been said, it looks like they will be rolling it out for the other platforms as well, as soon as they can. I still continue to be amazed at all the facilities and motivators duolingo has incorporated, and I am thankful it is continuing to develop more. I would love a magic wand - but that only exists in my imaginary worlds. Here - I am glad I have reality - so that I can also have my imaginary worlds ... (ooooppps off topic again ... ;P )
iOS is the biggest market. The vast majority of the users are mobile, and the iOS app released long before the Android app, so possibly it just has more traction.
True, most DuoLingo users are in the U.S. (and use iOS). But it would be nice if they considered the entire world to be their market, considering the mission of this site is to teach languages to people in all countries and not just people in the U.S.
I doubt that most users of DuoLingo in the US use iOS, unless there is a recent source statement for that.
They're not avoiding the rest of the market by any means, they just went with iOS first and they'll release the other ones soon. They just used the largest market as the first one, not the only one, and faulting them for that seems flat out silly.
Assuming these are intended to be more than just decorative, so that the correct answers will sometimes be dependent on the picture shown, will there be appropriate "alt" text for visually impaired users using the site via accessible browsers?
As it is right now, the correct answer should not be dependent on the picture of the character shown. Thanks for asking though! :]
Thx for the answer! Important (for contribs) to know.
Does Duo plan to make it dependent one day? (Not asking for it, just if it's an idea in the air ;))
Well I hope that they will depend on the picture soon, because as it is now, things are confusing. For example, yesterday I got a sentence spoken by a guy that said something like "I am happy", and both "je suis heureux" and "je suis heureuse" out of the 3 possibilities were considered correct, even though it makes a lot more sense for the first one only to be correct, because a guy is speaking. This is a lost opportunity to teach correct use of adjective declension and a cause of confusion for beginners in French, especially given that the Duolingo iOS app has no grammar explanations.
Making the answer dependent on the picture would add more depth and meaning to the learning experience but also more work for the teachers working in the incubators. I'd be in favor of adding the option, so if it is so desired in the incubator it would be possible to either have answer A or B marked as the right one depending on the picture. That way at least it's added functionality instead of simple cosmetics. If for some reason a user can't see the picture, they simply won't get that question or both answers are marked as the right one.
Yes, I know Duolingo doesn't like "optional functionality", I do. :-)
Adding code to add irrelevant pictures is easy, but rather useless. A waiter saying "I have a blue dress".
Adding code to add relevant pictures is more difficult and also adds work for the incubator. But only once for all languages.
Adding the option to have a different answer is little more added code and work but IS added functionality and an improved learning experience. However it needs to be checked for all languages.
The male German voice is an actual human voice. Nice!
edit: It might be a very good TTS engine. I'm not so sure anymore. Anyway, it's a good development.
that is nice to know
as I do not use the audio
as I listen to music
or sing when at Duolingo
I think it would be cool if there were little conversations between two or more of these characters that you could translate.
Yes, instead of translating a single phrase, you have a few in a row all within the same context.
Sorry but, i do not like the new update. I want to learn German and I think I will try harder to remember things without pictures of people. I will actually TRY to remember that "Frau" means "Woman" instead of making an educated guess.
I don't like the new character pictures. I am not a 10 year old kid and it makes the app seem really childlike. Given that the characters don't really change anything about how you answer the question - it just means most screen space wasted on something that's useless - plus stop using my bandwidth to download dumb pictures that don't help me. Please give us the option to turn off the characters and stay with a simpler interface.
I do like that they have both male/female voices; but get rid of the kiddy pics.
I don't think they're downloading pictures, they're vector drawings, which are extremely low bandwidth, especially compared to audio. And I think it's actually fairly useful. It helps provide context. Immersion is all about context and learning in the environment where you have visual and audio cues to add context. Learning in a vacuum is the least successful type of learning. This reduces the vacuum a little.
Plus, isn't learning supposed to be fun? What's wrong with having some fun while you learn? I think these are fun.
Give me an example of how they provide context? Someone on this thread from Duo said that you don't answer the question any differently based on the picture. If the picture shows a man, you don't have to use the masculine form of a noun for example.
Also - I use duo on my phone - I want to keep real estate for the keyboard and seeing the actual question and not have to scroll up and down. Maybe on the iPad version it might make more sense to use something this large.
Well, he said the "most popular languages." I took that to mean Spanish, French, German, Italian and Portuguese - the top 5 languages on the course page, and the five original languages. But there's English to account for too...
In my personal opinion, I think that the characters might distract you from focusing on the sentences themselves.
I hope so. If it helps others, that's fantastic. I want the option to keep it less cutesy for myself. (Also, boo on me for losing my streak.)
I think this is an excellent idea but I have one small moan, I know they are very fashionable at the moment but do we really have to have a zombie ?
Everything's better with zombies ;) Which makes me think, is there a pirate? How about a Ninja?
It may be my age but the things give me the creeps, even in cartoon form:-))) However given some of the phrases, pirates and ninjas may not be that far fetched. :-)
I believe a pirate was mentioned, and someone has suggested the name Pirate Blackbeard. (some people are giving names to some of the faces ;) Having fun interacting with them already.
There could be a voting for face names :p
Chose the name people suggest more.
I want a T-Rex called George.
Given some of the odd subtext that I have gotten from certain phrases, a zombie might not be too far-fetched...though generally I do support the idea of the face character giving context to phrases (such as a waiter, a doctor, etc.)
I think it is nice that the Duolingo team is looking to implement new, fun features. But I don't like that the new update featuring these characters takes up half of the screen.
The screen has too much going on, and all the language options have been pushed to the bottom of the screen.
I would really appreciate going forward an option to turn off the characters/faces. Thanks. :)
I hate this new 'feature'. I find the characters creepy and they don't contribute at all to my learning. It's just confusing and I've also noticed a few features have now 'gone away' (like the ability to replay a sentence that I'm meant to translate). Dislike!
+1 to the word creepy!! I used that exact word when I showed my friend what it was doing today.
I also find the fact that it started doing something different without an app update very very odd. I wouldn't expect new functionality without updating the app.
I checked and the app did update - I forgot it was auto updating in the background.
Still creepy though.
More human? The cartoons couldn't look less realistic and child like! In this day and age I think Duo could have done a better job with the drawings/animation.
I love Duolingo's art. It's adorable. It fits in with all the other art they do. (The skill bubbles, Duo, etc.)
Would you rather have your lesson take longer to load between every question, just so you can get a "more realistic-looking" speaker!? That is a ridiculous idea, and the cartoon images are more than sufficient for language-learning, and quick association between the words and the speaker - exactly what you'd want from a language app.
I'd rather not have anything personally and have the photos back for multi choice. I don't use the app so it won't reply affect me for now, but I just don't like them... I mean what's this??
Ah! They're replacing the real pictures that are currently in there? Nooooo!
"Human-like" doesn't equate to realistic art, but more realistic context. For example, in the French tree you don't know if words should take masculine or feminine form because you have no context on who is speaking; this update may very well give that context.
For example, in the French tree you don't know if words should take masculine or feminine form because you have no context on who is speaking; this update may very well give that context.
When you can't know from the sentence itself, the course logically accept both masc. and feminine (if not, it has to be reported).
And the new drawing will not imply that only one between masc. and feminine is the correct one and the (only) accepted one. See the answer to jgstcd's comment.
I'm not suggesting that the correct answers have changed, just that the new update will give users some context to work with.
It's their own choice, though; one would have to decide, "Okay, I'm going to structure my sentence as if I am addressing the subject in this exercise", which would result in practicing both genders equally. In that way, this update is about as useful as you make it!
Creating themes would be a good option, cartoon like as it is now or more serious.
Would that require using the right form depending on the character speaking? For example, if an old man is speaking, would we be required to use polite forms (i.e. vous in French, Sie in German)? Or if a child is speaking then tu in French and du in German?
If so it will be brilliant :)
From what I know (I haven't tried it yet but I've heard things), the characters usually aren't talking about themselves. Instead, they are speaking of other people.
For example, in French, a zombie might say something like, "Elle est une femme, et il est un homme." The zombie isn't talking about him/herself. It's speaking in 3rd person.
I was speaking about situations where the character is talking to you. You can take the waiter as an example. In real life, he wouldn't say "qu'est ce que tu veux manger ?" but "qu'est ce que vous voulez manger ?".
And even Que voulez-vous manger, Madame/Monsieur ? or even Qu'est-ce que ce sera pour vous, Madame/Monsieur ?, Quel est votre choix, Madame/Monsieur ?, Qu'avez-vous choisi, Madame/Monsieur ?
But indeed for sure not with tu.
I hate these icons. I'm not 5 years old. I want the option to turn them off! I am not interested in this at all! These are on my ipad and iphone and I'm really really unhappy about it! I'm an early adopter of Duolingo, almost from the beginning and I think these icons are for children. I'm an adult learner and not interested in this Disney-fied approach. In fact I find it DISTRACTING and a DISTRACTION.
While I appreciate the effort to add new voices, I find the flat, cartoon-like characters pointless and distracting. They add nothing to the learning process, and in fact detract attention from the substance. The new interface is also confusing. Please reconsider this direction and do some user testing.
They have broken the ability to have me replay a sentence that it wants me to repeat back.
Several people have commented that it would be good for the faces appropriately connected up with the context of the sentences. and the reason I have not written that under their comments - is that it has been said by a few people, so I am starting this here. As I feel several people will have some interesting input in this - and contrary points of views to mine.
In my experience and reading into how mnemonic devices are effective, yes - correctly associating it with the right context is useful. Though surprisingly - when it is connected with something that is out of context - and often bizarre - it often works even better - as (I theorize) - it engages an emotion - which leads to re-enforcing the recall of the correct response the next time around - however you need to know that the context is out of place.
That though is also why it is good to have things like zombies and spiders. And also why mixing things up is a good idea - as different things are perceived a bit out there - by different people.
Although the opposite argument is also present - that if it is the same 'face' each time - it helps the recall - as you associate the 'face' with the sentence, and that in itself - greatly assists recall - as you are associating a different processing part of your brain (the one that recognizes pictures and faces), with the language part of your brain concerning that sentence. So to have a constant/static image that is always related to a specific sentence - is also quite beneficial.
I will be interested to see how they match it up - variable or constant, or some formula in between - depending on how many times you have been exposed to that sentence, perhaps ;)
Great, now all that's missing is giving these characters some names :
- Pierre (French)
- Buck Rogers (Astronaut)
- Alfred (Butler)
- Pirate ( Blackbeard )
- Zombie - Frankenstein
Maybe even mixing it up, and using some of the staff's names. Should be interesting.
100 lingots to the first person who gets screenshots of ALL characters!!!
You seem to have obtained close to half of the reported characters. So 50 lingots for now :). Although there's at least one repeated.
! Thank you! I'll distribute these lingots to the good people of Duolingo. Can you let me know how many are reported? I'll keep my eyes peeled for them.
(I feel like a pokémon master!)
Thanks for that!
This means the answer will for certain depend on the picture in some languages because in some a different word is used by the male or female speaker. Thai hello by a female "sawatdee ka", male "sawatdee krab".
Actually, voice recognition is still missing from Portuguese. I would like that to happen also.
That's odd, I've used voice recognition before in Portuguese. Perhaps it only works with chrome.
I'm pretty sure that's the case. At least with the newer type of voice exercise
Voice recognition in Spanish is so bad I've stopped using it. Once my three year old mentioned something totally different I didn't get a chance and it was accepted.
Good question :) Then actually, why iOS is first? Why don't they release it at one?
Probably to be able to release it sooner at least for some users and thus being able to have first statistic feedbacks and thus improve it also for the other platforms while developed.
I use both the web version and the Windows Phone app, so please don't complain about Android :-D
Hearts went away in December 2014 from the web version. They lingered for a few months longer on the apps.
It's not though. I mean, Android got Report a Problem, Continue, and Grammar Notes before iOS (even if the grammar notes were taken away) again. And some of the apps don't even have Swedish yet, which has been out FOREVER. It's clear that they have different teams working on the different apps and those different teams have different priorities. I'm typically a web user, so I don't have a lot of skin in what the apps do, but I honestly feel like they should spend more time unifying the app across the different platforms before rolling out new features.
I love this! I also like that I can think about what the person is saying, before I click on "Translate what he/she said" and then the word blocks show up. I usually have to cover those word blocks so I can translate in my head/out loud, before I click any blocks! This update is adorable and pure genius! Many thanks!
Or they could add more difficult word blocks so there is more than basically a single possible answer. E.g. you get the word blocks "the", "The", "table".
This is really great!!!
How are the characters chosen, by the way???
Should contributors pick characters on a list? Or will the system detect keywords??
Should contributors pick characters on a list?
Since we didn't hear about it in the incub before the release and it's apparently already working at least for ES-EN, FR-EN and DE-EN, the answer is likely to be no (IMO). So it's very likely to be automatic.
So it's one more thing that course creators have no control over, and that students can't customize for themselves.
I've never been in the incubator but I believe most phrases are used throughout all languages. In the incubator you simply type all translations, which is of course still difficult enough given all nuances, language differences and so on. So Duolingo can select a single picture for the "mother phrase". Likely not automatic but still only a single process for all languages.
Not all sentences will be able to follow that process, but surely a huge amount fit the condition.
We're eager to expand this to more courses and scale character tagging with contributors and mods, but will require some more tweaking within our in-house courses for a few more weeks at least. Excited that you guys are excited though! :]
"Qué quieres para comer?" Since when do waiters in formal attire address customers that way?
I think he's given up this shift as a loss and isn't even bothering to try to encourage tips.
Please let there be an option to make it like the old version. I much prefer the female audio and I can't stand to turn on the audio now.
Duolingo has officially become a website for kids to learn languages. This new feature is not exciting! There are better things to do. I am very disappointed Duolingo!
I think it would be nice if the things the character said added up to some kind of coherent conversation or story. I like that Duolingo uses humorous sentences (Your bear drinks beer. The rabbit is bad.) But imagine if they added up to stories? The reason I mention this is because, though I know it wouldn't be perfectly easy to implement, knowledge is generally only retained when it's useful.
And yes, I'm aware that you could find another site to read stories on, but not with the vocabulary you've learned from Duolingo.
And before anyone gets offended, it's just an idea! ^_^
I totally agree. I think stories and conversations would be a fantastic addition to the app. That would also help build context. I think it'd be neat to have progressive texts as well, where you start out with your current language, and only a handful of words are in the target language. You read chapter one and it asks you what those words mean, and you answer the quiz. If you pass, you move on to chapter two, and now a few more words are in the target language. As you progress, eventually the whole text is in the target language.
It'd be kind of like immersion and translation, but from a different angle.
Or if not stories, perhaps each of the characters could have different backgrounds and personalities and be given sentences to match, so we'd gradually get to know them over the course.
Grey on grey is so very hard for me to read. Could the contrast between text and background be increased? Please.
I just wish we has the "tips and notes" section with the grammar rules back and iOS users could access the comment section, this would be much more useful to me :(
>Duolingo is becoming more human
Just like Windows (10)!
Anyway, can you toggle this off if you don't like the feature?
I don't like this feature. The pictures make it too easy to know the context. I want to look at the words and figure out what they mean based on my own knowledge of the language, not pictures. -- the pictures are cheats.
Plus, the screenshots that I've seen look really childish. They make the course look like it's geared towards children.
I hope someone writes a script to block it. I don't use Userscripts but if a script were written to block this feature it would motivate me to learn how to use them.
I was put off the idea of userscripts, but then I found out that there was one that made it easier to type in accented characters and made the effort to install it, and a few others that looked useful. I found them so useful that I've installed them on the several computers I use for Duo; well worth the 10-15 minutes time investment to work it out intially, in my opinion.
Thank you for your post, Elorac72. What has prevented me from implementing userscripts isn't taking the time to figure out how to do it but concerns over whether or not it might cause technical problems/difficulty down the road. It would be really nice if we had a site or a forum listing all the userscripts that duolingo doesn't approve, with some sort of reporting or rating system. If I could see that
___ # of users with
___ operating system implemented
without any subsequent technical difficulty, I might be more inclined to experiment. Without knowing that, I opt for safety.
I don't know of anywhere that rates userscripts, but there is a list of unofficial userscripts here:
Many of them have links to the posts on this forum in which the userscript was announced, so it's possible to have a look at the comments, see if there have been any problems and even ask for feedback on experience with your OS.
For the most part, the userscripts seem to show or hide information that is otherwise buried in the page script, and even if they cause technical difficulty it's easy enough to switch them off.
For the record, I run them using firefox on a Vista machine and chrome and Firefox on I think Windows 7, and am not aware of any problems. I use:
Duolingo Script Bundle
Language Course Switcher
XP Progress Bar
Duolingo Skill Strength
This looks highly entertaining, and it's a good way to add more context to the sentences. I've not being using the app at all, only the website, but this may prompt me to try the app again.
Absolutely love this update. It's completely changed the way I interact with the app. Hope it comes to more languages and to the web soon.
Hmm looks like couple last updates are made for children because of Duolingo for schools. Don't get me wrong i like this update and i am glad that something is happening BUT app needs discussions and grammar explanation! and not this graphic update in my opinion. There are also more important stuff to work on right?
I think the tricky thing here is that the vast majority of people who use Duolingo don't get very far with it: intimidated by the difficulty, or lacking discipline/interest, they try a course and then quit after a few lessons. (I've seen some numbers thrown around on forum discussions suggesting that exceptionally few people finish one tree.) Things like characters may not appeal to hardcore "power" users, who would rather discussions and grammar explanations, but might make a big difference (here quantified by the number of users positively impacted) at the lowest levels. You have to decide whether to reward those who advance the farthest by letting them go farther, or to help those who barely get under way at all.
This is, incidentally, the story in MOOCs and brick-and-mortar American universities too: they're largely concerned with student retention, not student achievement (at least, achievement past a very basic level).
(For what it's worth, if given a choice, I'd personally prefer grammar explanations etc.)
There was a huge duolingo thread on reddit a couple of weeks ago and loads of people said they liked it at first, but they had to quit because there were no grammar explanations so none of the sentence structures made sense. Most of them didn't even know there was a website.
Agree. Duolingo is doing the right thing in targeting the broadest demographic and rigorously (through extensive data mining and AB experimentation) trying to increase student retention. The more motivated student who wants to find advanced material and grammatical explanations will be able to find it, either outside duolingo or by engaging in free form discussion here (e.g. the discussions attached to each sentence in the language tree).
I actually really like the dynamic that duolingo is working with here, as it is a big contrast to conventional education. In conventional education, the teacher is the authority, there is usually some level of compunction to attend classes and unappealing instruction and material is often ‘forced’ on the students. Duolingo—operating in an environment where enrolment is completely voluntary and where they have no authoritarian role—must strive to make their course as appealing and enjoyable as possible, to keep students engaged. I think (and hope) this will increasingly be the model for education in the future : where before you mostly had to take what you could get, no matter if parts of it were mediocre or too doctrinal, today we have much more choice in where we get our learning and we can be much more selective about the method and manner of instruction.
Yes, I agree with all this. Some thirty years ago I was forced to learn French in a large class listening to fuzzy tapes that I could not decipher, and reading verb lists and other grammar explanations from an uninspiring book. It also did not help that the classroom always smelled of sweaty bodies! After three years of this I dropped the subject, and retained only a handful of words and no knowledge of the grammar whatsoever. I really was hopelessly bad at French. Three weeks ago I went to France and was frustrated by my inability to communicate, nor understand any menu option beyond "Poisson", so I started Duolingo.
Now it would be an understatement to say that I have learned more in 22 days than in 3 years of schooling. Indeed I learned more in perhaps my first day with Duolingo than I ever learned in school, and I have completed my tree in 20 days (still working on the gilding of it). There are huge gaps in my grammar, and I am dealing with these by also listening to learning tapes, although the grammar notes I found on Duolingo are very helpful too. Nevertheless despite this, I have already found that I can read French texts with the help of a dictionary reasonably well. Yesterday I followed a simple conversation in French with no dictionary, and I am one third of the way into Le Petit Prince.
Key to this was a lot of time spent with Duolingo. For people like me who really did not get on well with traditional classroom teaching, I think Duolingo is an amazing concept. It makes the dull repetitive work of learning vocabulary and practicing structure into something that is enjoyable and goal based (which appeals to me and many others, as shown by the popularity of platform video games). It has the right mix of easy entry and available explanation when needed, and I am rather excited by the idea that I may soon be reading French novels with very little effort, at which point I will be seeking out French speakers to work on my conversation!
I have the same feeling, I'm making much faster progress in the language of my choice than when I had to learn french for 8 years. I don't hate the language, I'd like to be fluent at it at some point, I just disliked studying it the way it was presented to me.
I personally learn much faster from reading grammar tips explained in the comments than I ever have from a plain grammar teaching website. However, I don't see why you couldn't just combine Duolingo with some grammar book or website. ^_^
oskalingo, you say that Duolingo uses intensive data-mining and A/B experimentation to increase student retention, but I wonder how effective that can be when it does not have any information at all about its students.
Duolingo has been absolutely fantastic for me - but only one of the many people I have recommended it to has continued with it for more than a few days. These were all intelligent and well motivated people, but they found Duo to be confusing and unhelpful. They are in good company; I read that Bill Gates wanted to learn a language, tried Duolingo, but quickly gave up.
I suspect that if Duo asked all new students to complete a short questionnaire which asked about previous study, particularly in languages, they would find that most of the people who stick with Duo for the long term have had quite a bit of previous language learning, and so understand how a language works, and know how to find good sources for explanations of the rules as they meet them. I expect that on the other hand Duo would find that almost all the new students who had not studied languages much before, drop out very quickly. An A/B test does not find this out.
I saw an serious criticism of Duo on a language learning website, which pointed out that if lots of people are starting to learn a language with Duo only to find that it is not for them, this is a very bad thing. Those people were all enthusiastic enough to try Duo, but will have been put off learning a language, and many might never try it again. OK there is a minority like me for whom Duo has been a wonderful success, but it would be a shame if that is at the expense of lots of others who, after failing with Duolingo, never try again.
I never had any experience learning another language other than school. If you are determined to learn, you will.
99% of people I have introduced to Duo have quit. It's not because they didn't like the site, but because they said it takes too much time, or it is too hard, or they just wanted to try it. Mostly because learning a language is hard and takes time and dedication.
If you have someone doing it with you, it's a lot easier. When I got demotivated, my wife helped me back up, and visa versa.
I think Duo is awesome, but people expect it to be a complete package, which its not. You cant only be on here and expect to be fluent
Hi Xuton-lon thanks for your reply. My guess is that to to succeed in Duo you need at least one of the following attributes: quite a lot of previous language learning; a high natural aptitude for languages; a great deal of determination and self-discipline.
I suspect that most people are not like that, and are therefore unlikely to find Duo much use. While Duo has been great for me, because I had studied languages off and on for years, I think that it could be made much more helpful for beginners if it arranged its material in a logical way, with simple explanation of the patterns in the language, and lots of practice at applying those patterns. When people understand what is happening they are much more likely to remember it. Duo's method of trial and error using what seems to be random sentences is extremely frustrating and off-putting. When I have spoken to those who have given up I have found that they hated the way that new vocabulary was not introduced before it appeared in questions, and that they kept finding that they were getting questions wrong, without any understanding of why.
I think that it would be relatively easy for the Duo courses to be re-written. The new vocab should be presented in flashcards before we see it in questions, and we should be given an explanation of the new pattern with model sentences followed then by questions practising with the new vocab and the new pattern.
For kid that just don't want to learn language you can put live candy to app and he still refuse it anyway
And as astoundingchair write above you there are tons of people that don't even know about this site. So when they are learning with app they will quit because stuff doesn't make sense without grammar explanation. The pretty pictures of stuff and people in app is useless if you don't understand how language works right?
I can't speak for other courses but it is my experience that there is a great deal of grammar explication in the sentence discussions attached to the French course, both by people explaining things in their own words and by linking to authoritative references. This is when I think the normal learner appreciates grammar—when it is introduced to explain how something works that they have just encountered and are puzzled by.
There is a very small percentage of language learners who love grammar in and of itself. Indeed, these types often learn languages simply to experience a different grammatical system. That's fine and these types of people are very valuable for the work they do in investigating and formalising the descriptions of the grammars of the many languages in the world. But I think they (and perhaps this includes you?) often make the mistake that formal and comprehensive instruction in grammar is essential to language learning when it really is not. Grammatical explanation is available in the duolingo discussion forums (both sentence linked and general) if you need it, but it is not pushed upon you before you feel the need for its clarifying power.
Edit: On rereading your comment I see that you are calling for sentence discussions to be added to the iphone app. I wasn't aware that it still didn't have them and so yes, I agree that they needed to be added so that people can access the grammar discussions that they contain. But I think that duolingo works on things in parallel and it just so happens that they were able to complete this feature before completing the sentence discussions feature in the iphone app. The android app already has sentence discussions, and they work well :)
Edit 2: And now I see your reply to me. We are in agreement—the iphone app certainly needs the sentence discussions added. But I would be pretty sure that duolingo is in agreement with this too and are working on it already.
Edit 3: Sarah has had sentence discussions removed from her android app while I can still see them using the same release. Might be an A/B test.
Actually the app had "Tips and Notes" and sentence discussions several months before, but then one day they were completely gone after an update, which did make me love the app less. I want the discussions back, too.
Edit: I use the Android app, and I just realized that actually many other Android users still have the sentence discussion feature on their device, though I don't quite understand why mine was removed months ago, so I couldn't say that it was gone. It's not totally gone. Good to know.
YES and NO :) First of all in iOS app there is no discussion and yes you are right there are lot of comments explaining why is this like that. So this would be helpful for mobile users too! Second i don't know French but since it is on top of the easiest languages in world maybe you don't need grammar but try German, Russian, Japanese or my original language Slovak - without grammar you are doomed - seriously (especially Slovak :D)
You don't need to love grammar to need it but if it is there that little tiny text you can read it and it can save you lot of confusion. For example take english - the difference between "a" and "an" is explained with two sentences and i don't know how you learn that by yourself - you will just guess the whole tree OR maybe you will see why is it that by yourself but that is huge OR :)
Or try to explain to German person why du, ihr, sie, ... is all in english "you" :D
Well it was on Android but never for iOS and looks like they take those features out. Now i am confused - looks like duolingo will be only for kids soon (you can't have kids + discussions obviously so lets cut that feature)
I don't even know now what is duolingos path to teaching language to other people than kids :(
Well i can't imagine that this update could have some big impact on adult people. For kids maybe yes and that is what i am saying. Anyway how hard is to implement that grammar text to app? It is ridiculously easy just to put some text there. There is no intelligent reason that they still didn't implement this and android users already have this. Not to mention that this is most important part of teaching language. My mind is stopping on this Duolingo update priorities.
BTW grammar explanation is not for "hardcore power users" but for everyone since day one of learning language .)
Grammar notes are, in my personal opinion, pretty basic, though I can imagine people initially using Duo more like a phrasebook. (And perhaps being lured into sticking around by inviting cartoon characters.) Plus, the importance of explicit grammar instruction is still an open question, pedagogically -- see for instance http://ltr.sagepub.com/content/10/3/297.abstract.
More broadly, I suppose my remarks are motivated less by your actual point about grammar notes specifically and more by the fact that there are other obvious needs that have not (yet) been addressed. The immersion system seems, at least to an outsider, to be in disarray: it has an uncertain place, at best, in Duo's declared business model, and hasn't been implemented for many of the more recent language courses. (And, from what I gather, its legality in the EU is at best dubious.) Meanwhile, there remains little opportunity for productive practice on Duo -- translations into the target language have become increasingly rare in exercises, and there is no mechanism for writing longer pieces. Conversational practice -- a crucial element of language learning -- is also, thus far, missing (and while the cartoon characters may help mnemonically, I wouldn't say the user is having a "conversation" with them).
Bottom-line, I think Duo is great, and completely understand why it's focusing its efforts on broadening its appeal. In a perfect world, I wish it would do a bit more for hardcore users. (Grammar explanations not necessarily falling into this category.) But perhaps it won't be a one-stop shop -- perhaps it'll simply serve as a great starting point for online language learning, with people "graduating" to services like lingua.ly (with which I have a few quibbles) and lang-8.
there are other obvious needs that have not (yet) been addressed
Precisely my point. And it's an extremely conspicuous absence.
Since it has been abandoned, it'll never be "addressed" since this feature is now out of scope of Duo staff.
So better to ask, suggest and show to Duo our interest in other improvements about which they didn't declare that they'll not do them, IMO. ;)
:D what an another twist! SO this means since Duo deleted discussions from android app they just abandon this? Flashcards are abandoned too? Other stuff that is "broken" and people crying about it for long time is abandoned too? Also where are these " they didn't declare that they'll not do them" posts? I feel like little stupid kid now. You see my streak and i pretty often search discussions to find some post from Duo about some progress but there are almost none!
So all this means that Duo is going to be only for kids in future since advanced features are slowly going away?
Well, what I really want is more opportunity for productive practice, whether it's through something akin to the extant Immersion system or through something novel. And if indeed Immersion in its current incarnation is dead-dead rather than semi-dead (and it sounds from what you've posted that it is dead-dead), I really want to see something new: something that will advance my German (to take my most Duo-advanced language as an example) forward, something that will raise that (problematic) number on my fluency badge past 50ish percent. Whether that's tree extensions, or a Duo take on what Lingua.ly or Lang-8 offer (i.e. a vocabulary accumulator framework or a peer-to-peer composition checker), or something entirely new (e.g. Skype-like language partnerships with some kind of safeguard against creepiness), I want to see something that will let me make progress beyond the existing trees. (And in fact, if Duo wants me to link my Duo profile to my LinkedIn one, this is non-negotiable -- I'm not going to go around bragging about being 50% fluent in anything.)
To put it in terms of engagement (that wild and wooly byword of present-day pedagogy, so beloved of school admins and educational consultants), the only way that I can see my Duo engagement level staying the same or increasing from where it is now is if they offer more services for their (relatively) advanced users. I plan on continuing to practice here, and might do a couple of new languages: Russian and Vietnamese are appealing among the alphas, though I might mainly use textbooks and language partners for those, and maybe I'll take a crack at Danish. Still, other services will be getting the bulk of my future German, French, Spanish, and Swedish engagement. If Duo finds it more advantageous to get the engagement of five beginners than to keep mine, I understand. But selfishly, I agree - we should ask, suggest, and show what we'd like to see. So let's lobby away. ;)
The immersion system seems, at least to an outsider, to be in disarray
Duolingo decided to stop the development of Immersion months ago.
in Duo's declared business model
It's not anymore the business model from the same moment.
See this discussion: comments and links inside.
Actually the Immersion stuff was put on hold because the EU made a ruling stating that companies like Duolingo can't earn money off the Immersion feature without paying the people doing the actual translation. It's a blow to their business model, which is why they've changed course a little bit. There's more details here: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/5001967
@MauriceReeves: When I directly asked Duo if it was the main reason for abandoning it (what I thought), they answer me that it wasn't a reason of the decision...
That's why I only cited this legal reason as a potential one in my comments in the link I gave here. ;)
Wait what? This is awesome. Duolingo REALLY NEED to pin posts with important info like this!
But selfishly, I agree - we should ask, suggest, and show what we'd like to see. So let's lobby away. ;)
One good way could be to create a new discussion (I'll call it later "Main disussion") for each. Then each time someone see a new discussion created about the same "request", ask the user who posted it (and anyone who posted an answer) to go to the corresponding "Main discussion" and upvote it (and, if the user want but not necessary, to add a comment there).
Like that it'd be easy to see (through upvotes) what are the most wanted features among the users (that access the forums).
Android users don't have them anymore. And this android user misses them a hell lot. I mean grammar tips and discussions, yes, I miss them badly.
Wait what? They take those features out? :D WHAT? I haven't seen android app for long time so i would never imagine they are taking features out O.o
Yes... Sadly but true... However we still have "report a problem" and "continue" left... So cheers!
On my version of the Android app, there is access to the discussions, as well as problem reporting (although there are fewer options to check than online). As for the Tips and Notes, I have never seen them on the app in the year I've used it.
this means since Duo deleted discussions from android app they just abandon this?
Did they made an announcement that they were putting down the development of it? I never saw such statement, so as far as I know the answer is "no".
Flashcards are abandoned too?
Same answer with the additional facts of this official announcement.
Other stuff that is "broken" and people crying about it for long time is abandoned too?
Also where are these " they didn't declare that they'll not do them" posts?
There is none, I'm referring exactly to all the features (existing or asked for) for which you have no official statement saying they decided against its development.
So great that there are almost none: a lot of potential improvements they didn't discard. :)
So all this means that Duo is going to be only for kids in future since advanced features are slowly going away?
I don't think it'll be only for kids. But there has been a big push on the schools.duolingo.com part these last months.
Will the big push continue next months or do they did it up to now to be ready for this class-new-year? Again, I don't know.
Thanks for answers jrikhal i appreciate you take time to answer me.
About those flashcards - i read that thread and post comments but as i read it again (at least 3x) i don't understand it - i think they say that they scrap some new version they tried with A/B and it is back to old flashcards.
About those announcements - Duolingo didn't post anything about immersion either so no news could mean also they are abandoning other things since only news past year was for children (and new languages)
If they made one post every month saying "we are working on meeting the president this month" or "we are cleaning our office after huge party this month" or "we were working on flashcards this month" i and i think a LOT more people would be happy and calm. Because they can 1. take feedback from users (if they care) 2. inform people about the path they are taking with duolingo (kids vs everyone).
And i didn't think about that school is starting now so thats why they push this update for children. That makes sense. I just want to know what are they doing overall - if this site have future for me or i just show it to my kinds (when i have some :) and move somewhere else more serious.
EDIT1: oh i see now where are all the Duolingo posts. I found Educators forum. Well...
EDIT2: @lindakanga sorry i can't answer on your comment for some reason. I meant future not feature. Duolingo is well ok now but if this is the path they are heading it could change to be more suitable for kids. Which is not great for everyone else. For example discussions + kids? Maybe we loose that because kids have problem with this and looks like this is the reason why this feature is not in iOS
i think they say that they scrap some new version they tried with A/B and it is back to old flashcards.
That's how I get it too. They had the "Words tab" original version (well in fact the second one. ;)) then tried different other formats/designs/mechanisms through A/B testing. Statistical results (based on their metrics) being better for the "original" one, they kept it as the current (and only) version for everyone.
Duolingo didn't post anything about immersion
Staff members stated about it in some comments (cf. links).
If they made one post every month [...]
Yes, communication is not Duo's best skill. ;)
" if this site have feature for me or i just show it to my kids (when i have some :) and move somewhere else more serious. "
Dear t0panka, I have been on this site for some time now, and I find it a very large and open community, Here I find some wonderfully serious and well informed people, who when I find an issue that I can't make sense of, I am able, sometimes quickly and easily, and sometimes with a bit of searching, and asking the right questions, that there will be someone who will be able to answer my question. I find it a serious site in that matter. In the discussion boards I find a treasure trove of fascinating questions and answers, that I wish I had more time to delve through. Yet it is also light and humorous at times, which I also find engaging and enriching. For me I find the site is appropriate for any age group. Though it may not be the right for a specific learner at a certain point in their language studies, and what sort of learning style you might enjoy more.
Another style of site you might like to check out is http://www.memrise.com/home/ . It all depends where you are on your learning journey, and what you find is right for you.
What you're saying is true and important. However, I think Duo is treating us as "children" in another way: We are barely allowed to make decisions about how the course we are taking is presented to us. I mean, it makes sense that they do A/B tests and stuff and then introduce some new features or remove others. But if features have already been programmed, why not give people an option to use (or deliberately not use) a feature? Some means of configuration ... for example people should be able to
- rearrange (and delete) stuff from the right column. Maybe some people are huge fans of the fluency badge? Others might be most motivated by seeing that their friend just overtook them in the ranking over night. And some might just terribly miss the progress bar showing how far they are away from the next level. Rearranging and deleting things might improve learning.
- opt out these characters.
- choose different voices, if available
- set a custom goal for the coach - 50 XP really isn't that much if you're learning several languages.
- adjust the probability of e.g. FR-EN vs. EN-FR sentences in some reasonable range. You shouldn't be forced to do the reverse tree if you want to practice translations into the language you are learning. Translating from the language that you are learning needs mostly passive vocabulary so it's good if you want to give people the feeling that they're making progress and keep them here on duolingo.com - but there are many people who advance in the tree and come to the conclusion that this is actually a disadvantage.
And so on. Give people a choice! Especially if most of the code has already been written (for example the progress bar has already been implemented and used) ... I'm not saying that it wouldn't require some effort but it would definitely improve learning. Also, you don't have to give all these options to someone on level 1. You can unlock them if someone has reached level 8 in any language before, if you think that'll help. Or let them spend some of their precious lingots. Doesn't matter as long as we have a choice.
After all, people are different. And computer programs also give us the ability to take this into account. At least to a certain degree. And that is where there is definitely room for improvement.
I actually agree with you on a lot of these features. As a long-time user, I'd love most of these. The only issue is that it would fragment the user groups into even smaller groups which would probably skew their A/B testing, and Duo seems particularly attached to their A/B testing. I imagine that's a big piece of why they don't allow for this kind of end-user customization. I'm not saying that I agree with how attached they are to their testing, just that I'm willing to bet that that's a big piece of their hesitation to let us monkey with the controls. Of course, that leads to people building and using GreaseMonkey scripts to achieve what they want, which skews the testing anyway, and Duo doesn't even know, so...yeah...
Honestly, if Duo wanted to make it an XP-based feature, that'd be awesome. Or even if they wanted me to pay a few dollars for those features I happily would. Then they can even open up the features to paid users and we could test them, since someone who pays is generally more motivated and committed than someone who's just using the free version.
All of that aside, Duo is free, and I recognize that, and I'm grateful that the site exists. If they want to change up their look and feel, but keep the core functionality the same, and I can still learn, then I'm happy. I've been through a ton of changes on the site already: tree changes (three times now?), hearts to strength bar, the death of immersion, the birth of the incubator, speaking lessons in most languages, the lingots for streak being taken away, the French tree expansion (can we get one for German now? I'd love see some stuff on weak vs strong verbs and separable verbs please), etc etc. In all that time, the core of the system is the same, and I'm able to put in time and gain some fluency in a language I didn't know before. If they want to have a blank screen, or a zombie on the screen, whatever, I'm just happy it's here. I'm grateful to the company. Instead of wasting my time online, I'm able to do something to improve myself, for free.
Just my two-cents on the issue.
Have a great day.
Thank you for your thoughts. You are right, A/B testing could be a major reason why they refrain from offering such features. I didn't think of that. However, if it was an XP-based feauture, it wouldn't necessarily screw up Duo's testing if the idea behind theses tests is to lower the number of people getting bored/loosing motivation and leaving this site. In that case, you only would have to restrict the test to the group of users for that the test actually is: Beginners, not long-term users who have completed several trees and are still here to learn (, the former by far outweighing the latter). And sadly, not all of these things can be done with GreaseMonkey scripts although several of the said features could be implemented using it.
This is just a general problem I have with the way Duo deals with users because I just can't understand it. Nevertheless, I also very much appreciate this site and am very grateful. Anxiously awaiting Russian at the moment.
I agree, there's not a lot of easy-to-find communication with users. I'd love more feedback on some of the suggestions, and more hints at what's to come from Duo, but like I said, I recognize that I'm getting a wonderful tool for free, so I'm happy about that.
Problems with the latest updates. When I type an answer, the box comes up and covers my typed answer. I can see the correction but not what I typed. Make the correction box transparent so I can see what I typed behind it. Similarly, the text boxes cover up what I type. Also, some of the boxes asking to repeat the Spanish sentence don't allow me to repeat the sentence, so I can hear it again.
I agree! I hope they do add the discussions and the grammar explanation. I study on a computer most of the time just because of this.
But isn't content like the (missing) grammar explanations in the hands of the volunteers who contribute to courses? The new character feature, on the other hand, is something that adds to the functionality of the site/apps as a whole. So we have 2 different construction zones here. :)
For the grammar, I'd try to contact the course contributors, not the people who work on general features...
This is not the case. Android app already have grammar and discussions. This is for contributors to create in course at first but implement this FEATURE to apps is Duolingo job
EDIT: sorry @sannehoo i didn't know that they removed this feature
Ah, I was not aware there was a difference between website and apps... I haven't done the earlier lessons in the app and the later ones don't have easily accessible grammar explanations in the website either - so I assumed it was merely a content issue.
I'm in favor of getting more grammar explanations in general, of course in both the website and the apps. :) (so it seems like a job for both developers and course contributors)
Really? Where is the grammar in the android app, then? I have never seen it!
As far as I know, there is some indirect grammar in the sentence discussions, but no basic explanation. And I miss that. :-(
Excellent point. I do like the characters but feel the grammar sections available on the website should be added to the apps. I have iOS i am not sure about android. Either way love whats here already. I have a feeling the grammar being added is inevitable in time. we'll be here to see it I would put money on it.
This sounds like a cute update. One thing I would suggest is to be careful about the spider visual because it's such a common phobia, and having that visual pop up unexpectedly could negatively impact a lot of users.
Ahh, I went over that album... and now I think I probably wouldn't like the new feature which I thought I would...
Aw, Steve and Terri Irwin....
But, yeah. I personally love spiders and snakes and other creepies, but I know as a culture we've kind of ingrained a phobia into a lot of people when it comes to those animals, and I'd hate for someone to get turned off of Duo because a picture of a tarantula kept turning up.
I hadn't noticed they're Steve and Terri! Thanks for pointing it out.
I was not a fan yet of this feature, but I have to say, knowing they are in there makes me like it more. :-)
True, but it might be a good way to get desensitized to such creatures. Probably not a goal for most who log on to duolingo, though.
Regardless, I have read that images that evoke strong emotion are far more easily remembered. Even so, I don't know how much of a strong emotion a cartoon spider evokes. The sight of a cartoon spider has never "freaked me out" even as a child and I cannot remember a time in my life when a child other than myself was similarly affected.
Though it is a nice endeavor to try to protect children from images that might frighten them, sometimes a little exposure is a good thing, and I think duolingo is treading on some pretty safe ground with a cartoon image of a spider.
Oh, the pain of having an Android! :'(
Some of the sentences might need to be revised, since I can see some very hilarious (or awkward) moments with these characters. Generally, any sentences dealing with death, plus some other gems like "La serveuse est entierement nue," plus some others I can't think of right now. OTOH, it's the wacky, off-the-wall sentences that people remember, so it might be better to keep them.
Yeah, like L'homme est mort . . . How you gonna picture that sentence?!?!
Well, since it's not the situation being pictured but the person who is saying the sentence, you could have a police officer for that. :D
well you have grammar explanation and discussions and we have pretty pictures :D I think that this is the rare exception that you have better app than we do .)
Well yeah sorry for that i didn't know that Duolingo removed these features. Other users say that not even discussions. Anyway we need both in our apps
Hi jrikhal! Thank you for the information and the link. I use an HTC Android phone, but I don't have access to the sentence discussion which is listed in that table. (I've lost the access for a long time, since March I think, I don't remember when exactly.) I thought that feature was removed. I only realized one hour before that other Android users still have access to it. So I tried several lessons to see if I have missed it out, but it turned out that I haven't and the feature is definitely gone, at least for me... Do you know what's wrong with it by any chance? Or could I do something about that? Thank you very much! I could get by without discussions, but I would like to have them as others do...
No complaints here! The more connections made to the material, the easier it is for me to remember!
I like this new feature! Humorous scenarios aside, it's nice to see two people when the sentence displayed involves a "we" or similar sitiuations. I'm just very pleased that Duolingo is always trying to make my learning experience better. Thank you Duolingo!
Duolingo is currently the best and keeps getting even better. Congrantulations and thanks a lot!
I think that is a great idea. Anything that keeps it interesting and fun.
I do not know if it has been asked yet but: Will the characters have different voices too? It's a little bit odd to hear a female voice from a male char or an adult male voice from a child.
Would love new updates with grammatical tips/explanations and such, the graphics are cute and all but, still.
I have the new ios version. So far I like it. I also have been able to report errors in the answers; this is something, so it might be part of an A/B test. I miss the question discussion on the web version, so I usually use the web version when I am learning new material and use the app for practice. One possible solution for an app based language forum/discussion would be to have Duo come up with a separate app. It could be set up like Facebook groups, with a group dedicated for each language that would allow/encourage discussions about grammar, sentence structure, language concepts. Some of the languages have groups on Facebook that are amazing (fun and educational), in particular the Dutch group.
I would really like there to be distinction in regional dialects. I am doing the Spanish course as well as the Portuguese. I would probably rate myself intermediate to lower advanced (B1-B2 for those of us who were ESL teachers) in Spanish and at the same token I know enough about Portuguese from some of the similarities where I'm not necessarily a beginner there too. That said, there are many different dialects with both of these languages and vast differences, particularly Latin American vs European so it would be great if we could specify which dialect/accent we would like to study. Also, I really do not like how a lot of this seems to be focused on memorizing vocabulary. For the higher levels, it would be great if we could get more emphasis on the listening and "translating" exercises and the speaking exercises. In the far future, it would be awesome if we could do simulated conversations such as picking a topic and being able to listen and speak to a few phrases to ensure we're not only memorizing by comprehending. I'd like to get as close to 'Immersion' as possible.
I'd also really love it if Duolingo could offer a complete language learning experience unfortunately it's far from that, it's a nice (and free!) tool for what it does but the moment you want specifics like listening and speaking skills, or details about grammar or training on a specific subject, you're often better of at some other website. The duolingo wiki [language] (e.g. google for duolingo wiki spanish) has some really good information about other sources to visit though and the discussions also sometimes have great suggestions.
I saw the new people yesterday. I found one combination confusing (I don't remember why, but the image seemed to contradict with the sentence), and I had a spider talking to me. I did NOT like the spider. Please stick to people. (I prefer the photographs on the website)
Any updates on the progress on this for other languages and web? 2 years later, and still not available for the Italian course. Neither are bots for that matter...
(Android, Web, and other languages are on their way. I know, some of you hate me right now)
Thanks, Duolingo! This sounds like a lot of fun. I can't wait to see the zombie!
- Excuse me, have you seen some brains around?
- You appear to be very smart.
Why do you say that, Danmoller? I mean, I appreciate the kind words...but how do you know I'm not just persistent? :)
I was just being a flattering zombie :)
You know...brains and stuff.....
This will be useful, and it'll really set Duo apart from the other robotic-looking programs :D
Awesome. This is Duolingo doing what you do best: something really simple but well thought through.
This is so sweet! I loved it when the male voice was put in the French lessons so I can recognize the different accents spoken in France. And now there will be many more? Woohoo! I'm eyeing that astronaut by the way, LOL.
Anywho, I'm not mad that it's not on Android yet. I'll just find a friend with an iPhone I can stea... er... borrow it in the mean time. :-)
Starting today with iOS and our most popular languages (Android, Web, and other languages are on their way. I know, some of you hate me right now)
[Cf. answer to ehomebonnell and Original Post]
This would be very appreciated. I cannot wait for the browsers to have this feature.
Ich danke Duolingo. Muchas gracias Duolingo.
After reading this post I went on the app and just did a German lesson. It has definitely changed a lot but I find it very interesting. I like how there are different voices now instead of the same one.
This is great! I'm now looking forward to the Android update! I would like to hear from Duolingo that the discussions would be brought back to the app, though! :P
This sounds awesome. It will add context in a fun way, making it more memorable. Looking forward to it being on the PC.
I love this! This is going to be so helpful for visual learners like myself! Also I agree with other users in the grammatical update being important as well.
Finally, I made a similar suggestion a couple of months ago, I really hope you can live up to the expectation but I am certain this will help my bring it all to the next level. Awesome, a real platform and hopefully improve it along the way!!! Great!!
this website - app helped me so much i'm so thankful for you .... now i'm speaking 7 languages arabic, english, spanish, italian , german , french and portuguese .
i have been very happy with this program i am glad they dont dump tons of grammer on beginners
I use the site with an accompanying verb/grammar book/website. That seems to work best for me so far.
I really like this new update! The exercises are more visually appealing now. Thanks guys you're awesome. :)
If the idea of people talking to you is the goal, I think Duolingo should have the characters speak with no words on the screen.
Thank you Duolingo for the awesome experience of getting to learn new languages :)
I like the idea of having more real-world context. I hope that means the inclusion of more real-world phrases, like how to actually ask that waiter for a beer!
I love these graphics, and I sought out this discussion purely to say so. I really enjoyed the graphics in Spanish and have since returned to Italian to finish my tree... but I truly miss the graphics! Please develop them for Italian and other languages too!!! For discussions and grammatical explanations I have my language teacher (yes, in the flesh) but Duolingo is perfect for connecting the dots and often for creating those dots. Love the app, love that it's free, love the graphics (particularly the Lumberjacks and bears and humans from all walks of life talking to me in their native tongue, even if that is a Spanish speaking spider) - keep up the great work. PS. I also love this font.
Umm. . .It's been a year! Are y'all still going to release these on web???
Stereotypical comic characters in the French course are not only annoying but also distracting and, honestly, quite offensive. I don't want to have a caricature of an older man to give me the "hint" that "vieux" is part of the correct answer. Italian course does not have and is much better for the lack of these awful additions.
Okay, how do you make your own Duolingo people?I can't find a Duolingo person that looks even relatively similar to me, and I want to be able to make my own Duolingo person for my profile picture like you...
I'm sorry, but I really don't like this. With longer sentences, it makes the words smaller. I'm glad they didn't add it to Polish. We don't want it. You have so many better things to do then make it so you talk to a random avatar.
(Sorry for of topic comment, but this is important, but I can't get Duolingo's attention on these for months now)
This is official post https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/10727793 to get votes for English for Georgian speakers course.
700+ votes from that post are gone, https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/25398737 and Doulingo hasn't fixed this.
Oh god please bring this back! We still have characters but they now look over the top. Change them back to the original design.