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"Loro sono ragazzi."

Translation:They are boys.

January 3, 2013

184 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/justinriddoch

how do you determine if ragazzi is "boys" or "children"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/christopher

You can correctly choose the gender neutral word "children" for "ragazzi" and "ragazze," without any problem. It is important to note that while a group of girls is only and always translated as "ragazze," "ragazzi" can reference both a group of boys or a group of boys and girls.

Latin-based languages, among others, preserve gender-related noun distinctions. However, there are some fundamentals to understand with this. "Masculine," "feminine," and "gender" are tools to categorize and utilize nouns within the grammatical structure. They have nothing to do with sexist motivations.

Elemy is correct in saying that 1 boy and 49 girls still utilizes "ragazzi." However, this isn't sexist at all. It is not the idea that the male term somehow dominates the female term or that women are seen as less important that men. This is a complete misunderstanding of grammar. The feminine plural is what could be referenced to as a "pure gender" plural. This means that when it is feminine there is 100% certainty that the reference is only about women. The masculine plural is what could be referenced to as an "ambiguous gender" plural. This means that there is uncertainty as to the reference, either of only men or of a mixed-gender group. Ultimately, almost any masculine plural statement can be translated as a reference to both men and women. The interpretation should be heard, since native speakers would hear it.

This same thing existed/might still exist barely in English today. The "all men" phrasing, as in "all men were created equal," is a prime example. This remnant of English masculine gender words is not referencing only those humans who are masculine in gender but all humans. It is already inclusive language. It's really too bad that feminists don't understand grammar; they narrow and diminish the inherit universality of the statement. Women are the ones with a pure plural while men grammatically have the ambiguous plural, which should correctly be understood in the broadest way, inclusively.

Girl power? You had it all along.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/marnie428

this is the best explanation I have ever read! I absolutely understand this issue of gender now!!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ProjectHopeless

English also has 'guys' which can refer to a group of boys, or a group of people.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/33ate16

Yeah. Same thing.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jon-Pierre

Detailed explanation. Man in the old English sense of the word expressively makes relation to not just masculinity but also femininity.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/boschelena

My understanding is that "mann" was Old English for a person regardless of gender, with "wer" or "wermann" used to refer exclusively to men and "wif" or "wifmenn" used to refer exclusively to women. It's where we get the English "wife" from.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/33ate16

Wouldn't it depend on the situation? Like if you were talking about a group of children. The group of children would include boys and girls. Look at the Italian spellings of boy and girl. They are the same except boy has a o at the end and girl has a a. If the group was of only one gender, like boys, it would mean a group of that gender.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Remster.is.cray

Oh my god, I love you


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StephenieT

That was wonderful! It's sad that many people do not know that part of history. Thank you for the help.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/memahdy903

I'm confused. One boy and billions of female would still be "ragazzi"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Daniel96310

Mama mia! Love the way you put it. Extremely helpful and sort of political and funny. But got the point across in the teaching sense. Again thank you!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/leta68

You had me until you mentioned feminists. Don't equate extremists (which ALL groups have) with being the voice of all feminists.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soulful_travels

Feminists don't understand grammer? Lol


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/evaaaaa-

raggazo-ragazzi, ragazza-ragazze,


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/berkaype

I was just trying to remember that lol thx


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/noff2

Children=bambini, ragazzi=boys


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dodgypirate

I though bambino was baby?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SangwornCh

Bambibo it was baby boy


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/prittycute095

I think it is the word that you see first.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Smartha3

Ragazzi is girl ragazzo is boy


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/uncomn

difference between 'siamo' and 'sono' ...?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheGandalf

Siamo=We are, Sono=They are/I am.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/queendopamine

So, sono is used with both pronouns then. That explains my confusion both by wanting to select it with loro and feeling confused because I thought it was only with io. Thanks


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/salvadorlopz

It sounded just like ragazze I swear


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JoshuaStep914943

Ragazzi, like ragazzo, has an almost t sounds to the z's that the feminine doesn't have


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/damirchiatefeh

how you distinguish ragazze with ragazzi? the pronounciation is very near with each other!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WongLiYin

I think you can rmb to pronounce ragazze with ending sound of "eh" instead of pronounce as the alphabet "e".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JoshuaStep914943

Ragazzi, like ragazzo, has an almost t sounds to the z's that the feminine doesn't have


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Silva-Igor

Ragazzo = young guy. Bambino = boy( child).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Alejandra0465362

So "ragazzo" is like a teen?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nazem13

Io Sono = I am Tu Sei = You are (singular) Lui/Lei È = He/She is Noi Siamo = We are Voi Siete = You are (plural) Loro Sono = They are


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nadmerica

I cannot distinguish between 'Ragazzi' "Ragazze', both sounds similar to me in spelling! :\


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shirish.m

how does one differentiate between the pronunciations of ragazzi and ragazze?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Udit47

Ragatzz-ee and Ragatzz-ey. You can try this


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ashtonanders

is it just me or do ragazzi and ragazze sound VERY similar lol.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fox0721

Why is sono used for third person as well as first person?

Example of what I mean:

  1. Io sono americano. and
  2. Loro sono muslimanne.

Thank you.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/subol

I'm confused when to use ragazzo and ragazzi


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GregBonfig

ragazzo = boy (sing) ragazzi = boys (plural)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/monn0m

How does one distinguish aurally the difference between "ragazzi" and "ragazze"? To me they sound the same--should I listen for a particular inflection, or intonate the end differently when I'm speaking? Mille grazie!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jaruiz01215

Why do you not include "i" before ragazzi? I thought you were always supposed to include the article in italian.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/emiliasurf

because when you conjugate the word you don't always need the article before, since the conjugation tells subject and number


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mthormer

Why cant we use sei=are...as in Tu sei.....Is it because its plural?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vevvux

Io sono

Tu sei

Lui/Lei è

Noi siamo

Voi siete

Loro sono


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/u0434876

So, why do "ragazzi" and "ragazze" nor require an article before them (and also for "uomini" and "donne")? I understand the implied subject, but is the article not needed either?

Is this just for plural predicate nouns, or were they just being formal / careful earlier when they were stressing the article in the singluar forms?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dropstar

Just think about translating "They are boys" into Italian......Do you need the article "the" in English here? No, you don't, because you are talking about boys in general. So in Italian it is "(Loro) sono ragazzi". Then think about this example: "They are the boys who played football with me yesterday"....in Italian it is : Loro sono i ragazzi che hanno giocato a calcio con me ieri": both in English and in Italian you talk about specific boys, so you use the article.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tonypta

Why is it not sei?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlyssonSilva97

am i spelling "ragazzi" right? i spell like rrrra-ga-TSI


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/narutonerd

i can't tell if she says ragazze or ragazzi


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ShamariHopkins

which one mean they Loro or Noi?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BhavendraJ

What difference is made by saying boys as "ragazzo" or "ragazzi" ?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SangwornCh

Boy ragazzo,boys ragazzi ,girl ragazza,girls ragazze


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jowana01

i just want to say,italian is very easy to speak... My English is a very bad because i am from Serbia :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/danna.zamo

How do you say " guys" then?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/emiliasurf

loro would be similar to "you guys" or "you all" in english


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BriannaCan4

Loro is similer to you guys


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SangwornCh

In English loro similar they are


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HisDaughter1

Ragazzi can be "Boys, Kids and Guys" (well thats what it says when I hover over Ragazzi)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BriannaCan4

Ragazzi. Come on! Something harder!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DebraTachi

Emiliasurf, Thanks for the tip about hovering over (touching) the words to bring up various translations. I will be able to answer a lot more if my own questions this way.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jhimi69

Me funcionó con "Boyz"
X_X


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/progymnast125

What is a good way to remember which form of saying "are" goes with which sentence when saying They are...???


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/narutonerd

are you supposed to say boys or children?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/halo12345678901

narutOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! heh..


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lithill

Could someone please tell me why I got an error for my translation "they are all boys"? Is there a meaningful difference between 'they are all boys' and 'they are boys' that I'm missing? Or has it just not been put into the system yet as an alternative translation?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WillowWisp24

Im saying it right but it renders wrong


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sharon873446

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RandolphCe

I thought sei is 'are' .. and in this part "sono" is used as "are?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BriannaCan4

Jono don't say weird things like that. I am non liking your coment


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BriannaCan4

Wo ho! This is so easy. So many corrects. I need something harder. Any one learning at the age ten or lower like me?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BriannaCan4

Come on! People please! I want to read what you post to me!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Joan758204

ragazzi may be a group of boys or boys and girls mixed


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/YngWe1

I wrote "They are boys" and then they said I was wrong and the correct translation was "They are youngsters" I could of sworn ragazzi meant "boys


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/carolyn.pr1

What was my mistake


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BriannaCan4

I don't know what you wrote so I can't tell you what was your mistake.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HIrenka

I missed this because I said "you are boys". Why is that wrong? I thought Loro sono was you are AND they are...?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlissaNB

From what I've gathered, "Loro sono" = "They are". "You are" = "Tu sei" (speaking to one person) or "Voi siete" (speaking to more than one person).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TinaPeykar

Aww come on! I spelled ragazzi, raggazi :/


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Abnormalities

Why is it sono not siamo


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shirish.m

Because loro sono= they are ; siamo=we are!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StarHemper

Loro sono ragazzi. They are boys. It says i got it wrong


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sophiasirugi

When do you say sono and when do you say siamo....confused


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/123princess12

italian can be hard sometimes


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/gman121234

Thats the rong answer because boy is ragazzo and girl is ragazzi


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/peridot14

Can you plz help me? Why sono?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AdeleRopars

ragazze is girl and ragazzi is girl


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AdeleRopars

ragazzi is boys sry i said it was girls


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WuShi3

I don't know how to pronounce L and r in "Loro". They sound different, but I can't tell how.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Michelle753368

Does anyone else have a difficult time hearing the difference between ragazzi and ragazze? Unless an article is used, they sound the same to me.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/YoruIchi4

Bambini should be there


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AtomicUniverse

I am confused, in which cases do I use siamo?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/random_lin

Thank you for that amazing explanation christopher :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/whoknowsitalian

I cant hear her difference between Ragazze and Ragazzi??


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shafiraalydrus

Why not siamo? It same with sono, why must sono? Can u explain to me? Please


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SELIM24738

I have the last 2days trouble getting fast feedback from duolingo webserver to solve my lessons. Sometimes I have to wait about a minute to get a response! In former lessons I got a feedback within 2 seconds.

BTW - I have a very gigh internet speed on WiFi / mobile internet and switched was up between those two options to make sure it is not source of my problem.

Is there something I am missing or doing wrong?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NIAMHSHAFF

I don't understand "youngsters." It just doesn't make sense to me.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HisDaughter1

I was also told when I got the question wrong that I should have said: They are "youngsters"!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MariaCRodr

Loro... ragazzi. I put siamo but it said error and placed sono instead. Why?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nazem13

Io Sono = I am Tu Sei = You are (singular) Lui/Lei è = He/She is Noi Siamo = We are Voi Siete = You are (plural) Loro Sono = They are......................... You are right, it is a little confusing using different types of the verb but this is Italian


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Estefany892548

If i mistakenly put two "t's instead of one shouldn't it be considered a typo?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KyleLarman

I don't get when you are saying it how do you tell the difference between boys and girls cause they are both "Loro somo ragazzi or ragazze" when speaking or listening how are you supposed to tell the difference? They both have the same spelling and pronunciation of i and e is too close to the same.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Charlotte546928

Wow. My language teacher never explained this well. Great explanation, and thank you!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GerardMcCa5

ragazzi could be a group of boys and girls


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Filippa626455

Microphone off cant contiue excerise


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/yani663

Im soo confused


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Genobambin

It can also mean kids! Why mark that wrong?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rayray863118

They sound exactly the same !


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/akoni14

How can you hear the difference between ragazzi and ragazze


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rita214948

Jjjughhgblllĺĺlll bbbvbī


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TrevorLo

Omg i cant tell from the pronunciation whether its "ragazzi" or "ragazze"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DeborahJoh619548

Why couldn't it be they are girls... loro sono ragazze


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Skipper744439

Please dont kill my family if i fail a whole lesson


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mauro435084

RAGAZZO=BOY,RAGAZZI=BOYS RAGAZZA=GIRL,RAGAZZE =GIRLS BAMBINO =CHILD BAMBINA =CHILD BAMBINI= CHILDREN BAMBINE =CHILDREN


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Elifakta

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DylanMarcu1

I knew duolingo would accept "They are boys" but I wanted to see if "They are children" would be accepted...it was not accepted. Can "loro sono ragazzi" be translated as "they are children?" Or is that incorrect?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rafaelaria771350

Why is it "Loro sono ragazzi" and not "Loro siete ragazzi" ?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HarryS123207

ragazzi and ragazze sounds the same to me?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nagwa3adel

I want to learn turkish


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hopper2015

This is super cool


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jamesqwert

It doesn't make any sense


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NOT_Harold2

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tania11703

Had to comment


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Chase815

Mine says "youngsters"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ShitakiHero23

If sono is (I) am, then shouldn't it be loro siamo ragazzi?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nazem13

Io Sono = I am ... Loro Sono = They are . . . . .

Sono un ragazzo = I am a boy .... Sono ragazzi = They are boys


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tansy928680

How can you tell the differance between pleurals


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RT0a

I wrote they are boys, exactly like the translation told me afterwards? STill got it wrong?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MariaCRodr

Difference between sono and siamo


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Maria760436

I though man was luomo not that other word that means men


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Smartha3

Who says youngsters


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hailey811796

I got it wrong and the correction was "youngsters"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pianoabbi_

the translation that showed up for mine was "They are guys"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/s47712

I always get this wrong :(


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dustin225652

Dirty nees i speak chinese


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Emma566759

Ok so im good with this but ive learned that una a and uomo means man and bevo means drink or drinks so this is what i say"una uomo bevo" it means......... A man drinks! Im getting good!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Alirezayag

So this lesson about:

Nio: we Loro: they Donne: women Uomini: men Siamo: (nio)are Sono: (loro)are Ragazzi: boys,children Ragazze: girla,children

I love this language very easy and nice.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jonathan524453

DOES'NT EVEN WORK!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHhHHHHH!!!!!!!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BriannaCan4

Why would you say that?!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Evertongue

Loro = You (polite form), plural of "lei", or "you" (polite form). I wrote "You are boys" but it was wrong... Can I know why ?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Chelseajean

Loro = they ... Loro sono ragazzi = they are boys


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pabu46

I find this annoying because the concept of children (kids in your parlance) under the term for boys, has not been previously highlighted, therefore unreasonable to lose a heart AND considering that positive reinforcement aids learning, acheives a sense of defeat on the first question at the beginning of a section. Rethink this. it is too harsh.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/emiliasurf

its a random order, so whether or not you get this first is just up to chance. Also, if you hover over a new word, it will tell you the translation.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sergio_Toscano

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/livinginabubble

I wrote 'I parrot ragazzi' and it did not work!

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