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"Der Lehrer lernt mit dem Großvater."

Translation:The teacher is studying with the grandfather.

January 3, 2013



If its of use to anyone, the keyboard shortcut for an Eszett is alt+0223.


or Alt+225 using the numeric pad with num lock on


Where may I find these shortcuts?


Thank you very much! ^^


I use the International Keyboard setup for Windows, and the shortcut there is "Ctrl + Alt + s" in case anybody is wondering. Just don't save the page by accident. ;)


And to anyone on OSX: option+s.

Also, to add an umlaut: option+u, followed by the letter.


Anyone on linux (and possibly other systems) can set up a compose key. I have mine set to CAPS LOCK because it's convenient and otherwise useless. It's really convenient.

for ß, it's CLss, ä = CL"a, ü = CL"u, etc.


You can do that on Windows, too, with programs such as WinCompose.


It said I was almost correct by using "ss" isn't of beta (β). However I'm sure in contemporary German, both are equally acceptable. Perhaps this "almost correct" is a little too strict?

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    The Greek letter beta (β) is not the same as the German letter Eszett (ß). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eszett

    Anyway, it's not quite true that it's generally accepted to replace the Eszett with "ss". It's "ß" after long vowels and diphthongs, and "ss" after short vowels. This distinction is quite important because it tells you how to pronounce the preceding vowel. If you can't type German letters on your device, it's okay to always use "ss". However, since they want you to learn the proper spelling, you're getting this "almost correct" message. I don't think it's too strict because you won't lose a heart if you don't use the Eszett.


    Fascinating. I'd already been thinking of it as its own letter, rather than a double s, but hadn't picked up on the pronunciation cue. Thank you!


    If you look in old enough documents (and decipher the Gothic font), you'll see "sz" instead of Eszett...i.e. literally "es" followed by "zett." So it would have been "Masze" versus "Masse," pronounced differently and meaning different things.


    That's interesting. How far back would I have to go to find that "sz"?

    I recall learning to read the old German script when I studied German in school. (I'm not that old, but some of our textbooks were. ;-)


    @Soglio: As you don't write very often in ALLCAPS, I can hardly say it was in common use. And even if you had to do an ALLCAPS HEADLINE, most people/writers/journalists already used the SS. I think the 1996 reform buried a dead spelling. (They couldn't anticipate the advent of SHOUTING INTERNET TROLLS, so perhaps they killed it too early :) )


    Ooops...apparently the Gothic font alphabet actually includes an eszett...but it looks just like a Gothic "s" smashed against a "z" (here's a contemporary street sign for "Schloßstraße" in Gothic font: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Erfurt_Stra%C3%9Fe.jpg.) and some printers wrote it as "sz" when people started switching to the Roman font (which did not have an eszett symbol) in late 18th-early 19th century. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F.)


    The trolls were there (on the internet) but the people in Duden's language department probably not at that time :)


    The "SZ" was still allowed until fairly recently in ALLCAPS WORDS as a capitalized version of the 'ß'. But with the 1996 spelling reform this (already very dated and rarely utilised) usage was also dropped. I guess there are probably still some street signs in caps around were it is used. You also find it in family names. Today you have to write STRASSE or (incredibly ugly!) STRAßE when shouting on the internet.


    Wataya, when you say it was "allowed until fairly recently," does that mean it was in common use until recently - or that it was outlawed because it was rarely used anymore?


    @wataya: Shouting Internet trolls were already prevalent in 1996, as I recall. Might dropping it have been an effort to take it away from them? ;-)


    You can use "ss" instead of "ß"? I wish I knew this earlier, it would have saved me many a heart.


    That's true for German German, of course, but not for Swiss German where they don't use ß at all (referring to christian's comment above).


    If you can't use a ß then you can get away with using ss, in the same way that if you can't get to ü then use ue instead. But it does read clumsily.

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    Be careful not to confuse "grandpa" and "grandpapa"! -- what is the difference? Why grandpapa is not accepted?


    In the US, grandpapa is not widely used. Grandfather and grandpa are used most widely. Grandpapa would be used as a term of endearment in a particular family.


    Honestly, you can use it interchangeably - "That is his Grandpapa", "that is his Grandpa", "that is his Opa", they all work. Whichever one you use is going to be determined more by your cultural heritage than anything else. I lived with a family whose grandparents were Oma and Opa, while mine were Grandma and Grandpa.

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    One question: The teacher is learning as well or he is helping the grandparent to study? are both meanings correct? Thanks

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      It could be either.


      What is the difference between Lehrer und lehrerin?


      I won't provide you with any anatomical details, but

      • der Lehrer: male teacher
      • die Lehrerin: female teacher


      So what is the actual pronunciation of ß because in weiß it is pronounced as vice but in süß it is pronounced as sub (I think). So does the pronunciation change based on the word or.....


      It's pronounced like "s".


      Süß is pronounced roughly like "zooss."


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