Let's Add Latin
Although it may be a dead language, I am fluent in Latin and would love to help develop a course for it. Upvote this if you would want to learn Latin or help make it a course so we can get this project started.
Being fluent in Latin is something spectacular. How did you get to being fluent?
There are actually a surprising number of programs and groups that use spoken Latin. It's kind of going through a Renaissance at the moment.
That's pretty cool to hear. I've only ever heard of it used today for religious purposes.
Latin as language and the form of Latin the (catholic) church uses are completely different. It's not comparable. And even if it's used for religious purposes where would that be a problem? Arabic is used for religious purposes, hebrew is too, German is, English is, etc. I don't see that as a problem. The only problem I can think of is pronounciation. Latin is, as far as I remember from school, pronounced as written. "Caelum obscurum est" - (translates into "the sky is dark") is spoken "Kaelum obscurum est". I'd like to see a Latin course on Duolingo
Caelum obscurum est in Ecclesiastical Latin is pronounced Che-lum Ob-scu-rum est.
Church Latin isn’t very different from Classical Latin apart from a wider lexicon and a few different grammatical constructions. That and pronunciation. Tell me, how experienced are you in your Latinate studies?
Church Latin and Latin are very comparable. Sure, there are numerous differences, but to say they are not comparable and are completely different, is fallacious.
You just hit the nail on the head. Duo is liberal as can be and they don't want to help promote Catholicism in any way. Their bias against Latin is painfully obvious.
Wow! I never thought of that! I could not be more Protestant but I love Latin because it is the key to so much of the past. You cannot be a historian really without it. The Protestant Reformers wrote in Latin they did not want to kill the language only to open up the text of the bible to people in their mother tongues. I hope Duo Lingo themselves reply to your comment.
Interesting, I wasn't aware of this angle. And it never occurred to me that you could accuse Latin of being in any way connected to Christian religions. Latin was spoken and written in long before Bible was written (at least I think so). Moreover, for me the most important in Latin is that it gave origin to so many languages, and one uses Latin words in medicine, biology, agriculture, law, and probably many other domains. I'm not native English speaker, but when I was planting plants in my garden, the only way to translate names of plants in Ireland/UK was to use Latin name of the plant (plus Wikipedia). So if that's indeed Duolingos policy to discriminate against Latin (if they discriminate, which I obviously don't know), then it is plain ridiculous.
Let's not forget music (I haven't read further down yet, to see if anyone else has mentioned this very current and important use of Latin). Medicine, as you have noted, extremely important, Economics (cetibus paribus) et cetera! I would love to learn Latin. Had one lesson at school back in 1981, because I had already covered the French syllabus.
Latin has many children via Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, Romanian, Moldavian, Macedo-Aromanian... 2/3 of English comes from Latin/French. Latin is practically as old as South Europe's civilization, however in written form has been around the same time as ancient Greek (~VII BC).
I am increasingly finding Latin to be a great part of the languages I am learning here on Duolingo - improving my Spanish, and from scratch learning Romanian, Welsh, Catalan, and glimpsing Hungarian.
Parts of the old Testament part of the Bible certainly predates Latin but there was Latin around by the time the New Testament was written. I love Latin and would like to be better at it. At the moment i'm using Memrise for my Latin study.
lol, when americans link catholicism as opposed to 'liberalism'. just. no.
Latin isn't an inherently a Catholic language. Romans actually worshiped pagan-esque gods before Christianity. Besides, the church dialect of Latin is completely different than the actual Latin language.
But Latin as we think of it and the Catholic Church dialect of Latin are different.
Good point to note that the languages of the other Abrahamic religions are represented.
ffs everything has to be connected to the internal American political struggle. Maybe its not been make because no one has made it? Maybe just now its in the incubator? Maybe just maybe things are made with peoples own initiative.
Without any evidence, your post is childish and ridiculous. Duolingo has never shown any prejudice against Latin
That is so cool I have a friend whose brother is trilingual one of the languages he speaks is latin
Hi William ! Do you think your friend's brother could help Duolinguo to develop the course ? That would be so nice...
It was the language of the Renaissance. We desperately need another Renaissance after the human commercialisation/industrialisation.
It was the language of Europe and Western Christianity in general. What we do need is a renaissance to rid us of the moral denigration in the West. Consumerism is merely an effect of the wider problem.
True. Consumerism is part of the Industrial revolutions. That's why I want to refer to the next stage as Cognitive (Human) revolution, not 4th of the same (crap). Let's robots do the work, & humans the thinking. :)
All "dead" means it that there are a negligible to nonexistent quantity of native speakers. It was widely spoken natively not but a few millenia ago, and was popular among scholars, though admittedly bastardized more often than not, up until VERY recently. It was pretty well documented, and there are a wide variety of materials for its education resultant. Now, if someones tells me they're fluent in Proto-Indo-European...
It was a course at my high school. I also picked some of it up going to church.
She was just a teacher like someone who would teach a language at any other school.
Not well known in the Latin community or anything though? Reason I ask is that it takes quite a deal of skill to get a student to a fluent speaking level in Latin...
She taught at Salem University before she came to my school and has been teaching Latin for 28 years.
Latin teacher here, advanced mid level speaker. I would love to help in any way I can!
I want to learn Latin! I'm currently learning it; I'm a beginner. Would you be interested in being Skype friends?
This is an excellent idea. Latin is one of my favorite languages. Most of the English words are derived Latin and/or French. My family motto is in Latin. Even though it is indeed oneof my favorite languages, I am not fluent in it in any way useful to this purpose. But, by all means, good luck.
Yes, great idea. I want to learn Latin too. Please apply to the incubator
If Duolingo wants to be seen as a serious option for leaning a language or two then it should stop fooling around with Klingon and Valyerian and add something that has real meaning. I would suggest Latin should be considered seriously since there are several volunteers out there who are willing to work on it.
More fooling companies like Microsoft with joke Klingon, instead of Esperanto. Esperanto should be the language of AI/Robots, to serve the whole world with simple solution.
I think that Latin would be an excellent course. My grandkids are home schooled and one of the requirements is for them to learn Latin as it is a basis for a lot of English words. I'm working with my 8 year old granddaughter on Duo Lingo learning Spanish.
Latin is the core of almost all languages spoken in western and southern Europe which is why it is essential for it to be added to Duolingo. I would definitely at least get to level 10 in Latin if it was added and if it was really fun, I might even complete the tree. Thank you so much for starting this discussion.
it being the core does not make it essential for duolingo. Learning one of its daughter languages (like Spanish, Italian, et al) would help you learn Latin just as much as learning Latin would help you learn one of the daughter languages.
That's mostly true, but usually the reason one learns Latin, or any language for that matter, is not to facilitate other language learning. Latin, like any language, has value in and of itself.
That's fine, I don't disagree, I'm just always stunned by how many people say it should be added and claim that one of the most important reasons is how much it would help with other languages. You need not try to convince me of the inherent value of every language, I've been aboard that train for a long time.
It's an unfortunate thing that everyone seems to want to make Latin this key to do other things. All I ever hear about it is that we study it because it helps with SATs and stuff. Meh...honestly, I think I would be more offended if I was a Spanish teacher or something, since you study modern languages for much the same reason (generally).
Which, I'm sure it does help with the SATs (though that seems like a terrible reason to study a language). I'm pretty sure that my fluency in Spanish helped me just as much on the GRE, simply because I would see something and go "huh, that looks similar to this Spanish thing I know, must be Latin based).
I would love to learn Latin, it would be very helpful for my future studies.
Latin would be incredible. If you haven't already applied to help Incubate it, please do.
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it should not be a question of 'either / or'.... I am happy to have Klingon - though I am unlikely to take it on - and would love to have Latin... It is amazing how we are all being trained, through various social media, to see ourselves and our needs in competition with others.... I love Duolingo, maybe if some 'official' reps could explain why Latin is not viewed as important / interesting, this would help the community step up and offer ways of going around the problems....
I would also very much like to hear why Latin hasn't been an option so far. It is a very useful basis for learning several of the other languages taught here.
Or Esperanto for that matter. It’s an insult to European culture, that’s what.
Latin is an amazing language, I love it. If there's gonna be a Latin course here under development, I would contribute to it, 100%. I am totally with you! Count me in.
I would like to learn Latin on Duolingo. It is on Memrise, but the interface isn’t as good as Duolingo. If fictional languages are being added now I can’t see why Latin is being blocked from being created in the incubator.
I would adore being able to learn Latin from duolingo; just imagine what that could do for the revival of the language! I would absolutely support that; upvoted!
I like the idea. By the way, what would be the flag for the Latin course? The Roman Empire flag?
I love Latin! Having already taken classes in this language, it helps SO much with French! I can easily recognize and learn French and Spanish words by knowing their Latin roots. Plus, it even helps me decipher long and tough words in English. Latin helps so much in learning any other Indo-European based language. Also, it is the language of science! Please add this course!
That is a great idea! I love Latin but I can only speak a couple of words. I'd love to be able to speak complete sentences and write whole stories in Latin! :)
I would love to learn Latin. I wouldn't say it's dead, though. Just evolved into several other languages. But the old Latin of the Roman Empire would be incredible.
Learning Latin would help me further sharpen my English, as well as aid in (re) learning Spanish and French. Not to mention, better understanding the literary, and other cultural influences, of classical Rome (i.e. Greek/Roman mythology) which still echo through U.S. culture today.
I've been taking Latin for two years now and would LOVE to see it on Duolingo.
I still can't believe that it still isn't in the incubator! Nothing against Esperanto or Klingon, but if Duolingo is putting off Latin for lack of practical use...then well... I just really don't get it.
I would like to see Latin here. It should be an interesting language to inspire creative writing. If we can have Klingon, why not Latin? (And I'm a Trekkie ;-) ) K'apla! (Victory!)
You got my up-vote and a Lingot. I'd love to take Latin. Even if there are no more native speakers it is still highly relevant. A lot of scientific terminology stems from Latin words, and there is a whole family of languages (Romance languages) descended from it. Please Duo, make Latin happen!
Why is there Klingon and High Valerian but no Latin on Duolingo? This is seriously getting ridiculous!
Latin is essential if for anyone who wants to be a scientist or historian. It is a beautiful langue and I am glad that it in the in the incubator.
It would be helpful for many that want to get into classical studies after college or classical college themselves. At least in italy we have this kind of studies at college level also if the offer now is becoming more and more professional oriented and technical wide, classical studies and scientific too (this last one has latin in some classes plans) have greek and latin or one of them.
I hope Ancient greek and Latin will be both on duolingo!
As a writer, I would love to know a language which rhymes so easily. I once read a nightmare montage, punctuated to great effect by stanzas of Latin. (I didn't know most of the words. But it was still like hearing the Voice of Doom in a great cathedral.)
Classical poetry isn’t based so much on stress or rhyme scheme as English is, but rather on the length of syllables on each line. However, Italian is real easy to use when rhyming if that’s what you’re looking for.
If they added Klingon then they can add Latin as well. I would love to join this course. I had Latin at school and liked it a lot. You have my support for this.
C'mon Duolingo! Not having Latin on Duolingo simply does not many any sense!
I took Latin in high school - and would love to study it again - a course would be awesome!!!!!!!!!!
Im starting to think that dueling might be biased against latin. we've been waiting for years for them to even allow latin to be incubated and it hasn't happened yet. they have klingon and esperanto on here already. what the heck?
I would love to see Latin here. Both my sons have/had it in school and while the elder one is already finished with school and at Uni, the younger one is still struggeling a lot. Having started to learn Portuguese here and seeing how motivating this approach to learning a language is with it's more "playfullness" I could imagine it might make it a bit more fun to do this course simultaneously to the lessons in school. Plus - i could learn it too ! :D
I did A level Latin at school and taught my daughter (home educated) to CIE O/IGCSE level I'd love there to be Latin on Duo lingo because in spite of all that I don't feel I am secure in Latin..
Duolingo should add latin because if you know latin it is easier to learn other languages
please! i would love to fluently speak the language that originated my country. i only do know a few words and sentences, though.
Currently teaching and I have students who want this! If Rosetta Stone can do this you should be able to get this set up.
It would be great. I've been studying latin at school for 4 years and it changed my mind, translating the main pillars. It could help to spread the beauty of that ancient culture, despite it is considered wrongly by a lot of people as a death language. Latin is still alive, but first we have to keep it alive!
Latin is so helpful to anyone studying the history of Europe. You cannot read many of the source documents if you have no Latin.
If you are fluent in Latin, I think you could sign up to help contribute to a Latin course in the Incubator.
I love Latin and I am so excited to learn it! Finally!!! It has been a very big dream of mine that hopefully someday very, very soon will come true for me. Thank you so very, very, much!
i would love my friends to be able to learn Latin quickly so we can practice together
I've been thinking about starting to learn Latin for a decade, but there was always something in the way. The Duolingo concept is brilliant, and I'd love to see Latin on Duolingo.
My Latin teacher, just by knowing Latin, knows how to speak, read and write in Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese and can speak English better than the English teachers can themselves! I would understand why Duolingo would stall, or objectify, this idea, because learning Latin root words isn't too hard; it's the grammar and context for the endings of the words that makes it seem nearly impossible to learn Latin. To learn what context the endings of these words are supposed to be, my Latin teacher has something called the "Synopsis of Paradigms". A book of all reference points that are needed to configure, write and/or speak the language correctly. Keyword: BOOK. there are so many endings for each and every word, that a BOOK is required to know how to form a sentence. This is the main reason why Latin is so hard to learn: it is the endings. So if there is some way to make learning Latin easier, that would be nice, but all in all Latin is a language that should be taught on a website that teaches languages, mostly Western, which will give more insight on how sentences are formed and learning more words in different languages too. So Duolingo, I ask you in favor of all people, including me, to teach Latin on your website. Thank you.
Actually, Latin is NOT an extinct language. That is a common misconception. While it is by no means conversational, Latin is still useful in many fields (especially science), and has been preserved for nearly two thousand years by the Catholic Church, even to this very day.
I am still learning Latin, so I might only be able to contribute at the beginning levels. But I would love to see/contribute to a Latin Duolingo course.
I would learn another language to learn Latin; if it wasn't offered to English, Hebrew, or Spanish learners that is.
Wonderful. Depends which language though, I mean Latin through Hungarian wouldn't tempt me at all.
Please add latin. I want to read Caesars writings and other Romans, in their original language.
Doulingo so needs Latin as a course!
It's not about religion. Many old books have been written in Latin, including the anti-religious works of Spinoza, but also philosophical works of Descartes etc. Look, something is always lost in a translation, I'd love to read Spinoza in his original language one day.
https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/la/en/status Please, please, please! Apply as a contributor for this course in the incubator. In this very moment, there are 0 contributors, so it could be erased again.
fortasse multos libros legit. non fluens sum, sed grammaticam bene scio et creare cursum possim
No language is dead as long as there is someone as wonderful as you to keep it alive. You have my lingot vote.
I'd give it a whirl, but I wonder what incentive Duolingo would have to host it.
Duolingo makes its money by getting learners to translate documents, and selling the translations. Which is perfectly okay, but the problem with Latin is that there are practically no new documents in Latin to translate, Latin being a dead language. (The Vatican doesn't need help rendering its newer Latin documents into vernacular.) Many more people are writing new documents in Irish and Esperanto at this stage than Latin.
The classical languages in the incubator, Greek and Hebrew, are incubating in their modern forms, in which documents are being actively produced and need translation. We have four forms of Modern Latin (French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese), where there really are lots of documents needing translating.
I believe duo lingo has moved away from making its money through translations.
"four forms of Modern Latin (French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese),"
Don't forget the 5th , Romanian.
Oh, OK. It sounded like you were saying that "we have four forms of Modern Latin" in the world overall. I didn't realize you were referring to the languages that Duolingo offers.
Reminds me of an encounter I had a few years ago with someone who spoke Romanian, which I do not speak. It sounded like Spanish, which I knew a little of. We almost communicated, sort of. Shortly after I told someone what had happened and they informed me that Romanian sounds like Spanish because it's one of the Romance languages. I had no idea until then. Ever since then I wish I had known it at least a little so that I could have communicated with her better than I did.
depending on how you count, there's more than 5. Those 5 are just the commonly referred to ones.
People interested in Latin on Duolingo vote here (this post)
Want to practice some Latin right now?
As you may see there is quite a lot of support for latin already on Duolingo so it might just happen. https://www.duolingo.com/comment/10492595 https://www.duolingo.com/comment/9143362 https://www.duolingo.com/comment/9699611 https://www.duolingo.com/comment/10413206 https://www.duolingo.com/comment/9569703 https://www.duolingo.com/comment/9537069 https://www.duolingo.com/comment/9459059
Salvete! I would be happy to help! http://archives.nd.edu/words.html http://bencrowder.net/design/latin/conjugation-charts/ https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/b2/80/02b280683ef3d8f85755d295fe2c568b.jpg
https://www.change.org/p/dulingo-add-latin-to-languages-to-learn - Petition for Latin to become a course!
I would love Latin on Duolingo: As well as Dothraki and The Pre-Romance Languages!
I know at least 200 people who would like to learn Latin. I would give all my lingots to have this. I use Latin every day and many parishioners and seminarians would be dedicated to this. Please add Latin. I would prefer Ecclesiastical pronunciation, but would be content with Classical.
I vote for both Latin and ancient Greek. If Duolingo can have projects for Klingon and Esperanto, we can surely have Latin and Greek, which are much more important languages. Lots of people study Latin and Greek, including school children. Lots of adults would also like to learn it. It doesn't matter that it's not spoken now.
That's what Zamenhof thought 1st, 135 years ago. Then he realised that Latin hasn't kept with the times & it's not best for modern communication. So decided to create a FLEXIBLE NEUTRAL INTERNATIONAL language, with a hope (Espero) to be understood by the majority of the world, therefore hist product survived almost as long (130 years) as Classic Greek (5-4th century BC). Classic Greek has been fully replaced with Latin, so by now - a very dead in the last 24 centuries.
Whoever gets Duolingo to accept their application will be showered with lingots beyond their wildest dreams
Apparently adding Klingon wasn't a crazy idea: among the 8 courses for English speakers incubating, Klingon is the one with the most declared persons as waiting for it (almost 100k).
Maybe Latin would have more people declaring themselves as interested on the course page.. maybe not. ;)
I love Star Trek, but trekkies have a way of gaming these metrics. I'm certain 100k people will not be using this Klingon course.
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I would LOVE to see Latin as a course on Duolingo. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks this would be helpful.
Would love to learn Latin, so much history in the language and a lot of present day languages developed using Latin vocabulary.
Fantastic idea. I learned Latin a long time ago at school, and would love to revisit it. It has become extremely rusty unfortunately.
Latin would be awesome to learn on Duolingo! I wish I could have taken a class or at least an introduction course of some kind before high school as it would have helped a lot.
This would be extremely exciting as Latin is a base for many languages. This would greatly help learners learn other languages faster, and make connections between words, and understand secondary or tertiary meanings of words.
Yes, how is there Klingon but no Latin???? I would really like to read Virgil (et al!) in Latin as reading the Aeneid in English was rather disappointing (Stanley Lombardo's translation. I read and enjoyed his translation of the Iliad, full disclosure I also don't know Ancient Greek, therefore I assume I was disappointed in the English version in general).
I did Latin at school and would love to refresh and further my knowledge; surely, if we can have Klingon we could have Latin, no?
Did you know there is a Wikipedia in Latin: Vicipedia https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicipaedia:Pagina_prima
What about translating all the Latin text in Esperanto (the New Latin)?
EO in Wiki is on 30th place - ahead of more powerful countries. Latin become the Language of the People after the fall of the Romans. EO has that role now.
No national language should be given priority vs others - for Human Justice.
As for Klingon, some people would always want to play 'Pirate Language' games.
Esperanto is definitely a language I will learn, and for Klingon, I did not mean my comment as a negative, it was because of the notion that it is a language no longer spoken/.. I'm a little bit of a trekkie myself, so 'kapla'!!! :-) It's just that I would like to read some of the classics in the language they were written... :-)
Great that you want to read the works in the language that left the largest legacy around the world (the 1st real lingua franca). I am native of vulgar Latin variant - Macedo-Aromanian, the least modified over the time, without the complexity of the classic Latin grammar.
I'm pragmatic philosopher (the point is not to interpret the world, but change it for better).
Imagine that every author writes in their own language and Esperanto, so the whole world can read as intended (no translator can fully understand the author's intention).
Then we can have more time for fun projects like the immortal Latin and even Klingon, or whatever culture you want to immerse into. You can always clarify with the natives via Esperanto (=one who hopes), our 2nd native language - hopefully (espereble).
I would love Latin to be an option on here! Its such a great language in the sense that once you know it, it's easier to speak any European language, as the majority of them are based on Latin anyway. Unfortunately, I don't speak the language, but I urge anybody who does to contribute!
This would be SO helpful to me as someone taking Latin and Greek in college!!
I am ready to get on with that old language. Meanwhile i am going to start with the Assimil method. Anyway, I have already rolled my sleeves up for learning Latin with Duolingo.
I am so so here for Latin! I wish I could contribute, but that's why I need the course :(
I am learning latin and I find it a good background in all Romance languages. Learning Italian, French and Portuguese is helping me with learning Latin.
I know this post is three years old but the point remains: Latin would be AWESOME to add to duolingo, for many practical and aesthetic purposes!
Oh man, I was hoping for more progress to be made, but seeing the date on the OP's post makes me sad.
Let's add Latin, I learned it in school, but only a year and I had really love Latin...so I'd really appreciate, if I could learn Latin here!!!!!!!!!
I agree I know a few words of Latin and would love to be able to fluently speak it. one day we may be able to bring it back.
I have given up waiting and am now doing Latin on memrise it seems to work well and you can do pure grammar if you want to!
Yes ! I think it really makes sens ! With duolingo, people can learn imarginary languages like krypton and not latin ! It isn’t normal ! Let’s make a new lesson !
I haven't done Latin at school and I very DEFINITELY want to have it as a course option to refresh my knowledge.
I heard there were issues about Duolingo not putting Latin because it was used by the Catholic church, but that doesn't make sense because it was originally used by Romans who worshiped fake gods. It doesn't make sense, but I am glad they have it in the incubator now.
Agreed. Latin is absolutely detrimental in the formation of a scholar. Notwithstanding the current opinions of those philistines in our universities. Cura ut valeas!
i know this was three years ago but i would love for there to be a Latin course added to duolingo!
Do what is to be done and finish what is to happen this is the glory of man I'm only a beginner but I think it is something like: Do what is to be done and finish what is to happen this is the glory of man
What about Latin for Esperanto speakers? Half way there & 3 languages at once (Eng, Esp, Por) https://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F9%2F98%2FRoman_SPQR_banner.svg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSPQR&docid=gw5nrPGynGqIeM&tbnid=qxjBTzn4irTYGM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjt882GsJLiAhXBbCsKHRdKA24QMwhEKAMwAw..i&w=289&h=229&bih=876&biw=1536&q=latin%20flag&ved=0ahUKEwjt882GsJLiAhXBbCsKHRdKA24QMwhEKAMwAw&iact=mrc&uact=8
It would be better to add Valencian for Every Language, Esperanto for Every Language and Klingon.