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Switching between Latin and Cyrillic

This is a new feature DL introduced for our course. If Cyrillic spelling is too hard for you - pay attention to this little switch (desktop version, upper left corner, next to the Tips button) and you will get the phonetic spelling. alt-text

Our team is not really approving this way of learning Ukrainian, but there's an option for you, anyway...

September 17, 2015

85 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/greg.mort

Wow, I guess they are dumbing down duo. Hopefully this option only is available for the first few lessons, no more.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Piece_o_Ham

That would still be dumb though, since the first few lessons are meant to teach you Cyrillic anyway :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Knoxienne

While perhaps tempting at first (at first my thoughts were aligned with Luke's below) using the romanized system is actually harder, especially when you consider the exercises where you have to listen and type the Ukrainian sentences. The romanization is a snare, and it will only slow one down and make learning more difficult than it has to be. This is coming from someone who doesn't like Cyrillic script at all. And I realized I don't like it because there's more responsibility to master it since there's so much of it that is familiar already! Not wanting to take the time to learn it is pure laziness on my part, and I have to overcome it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Super-Svensk

I personally wouldn't mind this so much if it didn't keep resetting my default to Latin characters every time I switch languages and go back to Ukrainian! I think it's fine that this is an option, but if you switch to Cyrillic letters, Duolingo should be able to save your changes without resetting it to Latin by default.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rashtrakut

This is getting so annoying. I cannot set it back to Cyrillic during timed practice, so have to go back to untimed practice and place the settings. Also the Latin script should NOT be the default, and if I change the settings it should remember it instead of making me do this every frikkin time.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iwc2ufan

Has this been fixed yet? I just only got this rubbish Latin script today and I mainly do timed practices at the moment since I'm traveling. I echo everyone saying that Latin script should not be the default. People who don't want Cyrillic should be the ones to have the hassle.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bookrabbit

It would be better if this was left as an option instead of as a default. Having to keep switching it off is annoying. Also surely it is better to make sure learners know which is the real script by presenting it first.I thought the course did a good job of teaching Cyrillic. I had never tried it before and have not looked elsewhere for material but am finding it increasingly easy to read. Although it does take more review than other courses require so the xp for repeated lessons ought to be higher. And the timed practice needs to freeze or add time to allow for keyboard changes, or only go in one direction in any session as you can't do more than a couple of questions the way it is.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZackReagin

A Duolingo user solved the problem of having to switch back and forth with an extension for Google Chrome users: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mikes-duolingo-cyrillic-e/iijepllepkndmlmphmldkpgfbjegkepc?hl=en

Here is the associated thread if you need more information: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/8864924


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rashtrakut

It is annoying it defaulted to this..was wondering what was wrong until someone pointed it out to me


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anna891134

I do not like this idea at all, however if you want to use this feature it should default to Cyrillic alphabet.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Squirrelicopter

Sure, reading Cyrillic can be hard for the first few days. An option of being able to see words, which are written in Cyrillic, as their Latin script counterparts (upon hovering or something) would be a help for anyone struggling to learn the script (Kinda like how people use furigana for kanji in Japanese? Latin:Cyrillic=Furigana:Kanji). However, there are many problems with only using the Latin script in the long term (regarding both pronunciation and reading/writing skills).

On the other hand, I think it's very tedious to switch keyboard inputs back and forth for every single question that needs to be filled. Yes, you can use shortcut keys, but it's tedious (and can be a complicated mess on a Linux computer! e.g. Japanese layouts). I think an automated input system that is native to duolingo that would switch alphabets automatically depending on which language the question is being asked in would be the way to go. (yes, I realize this may not work on mobile devices).

In conclusion, I think the thought here could be an advance in the right direction, but the method used was a mistake.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/greg.mort

On iOS input language switches automatically, one of the few things where mobile version exceeds PC counterpart.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Squirrelicopter

Nice! That exceeds Android too, or at least my setup on it.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/greg.mort

Might be the A/B testing thing...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DetErMinNavn

This isn't an A/B test.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/greg.mort

I guess they forced it on everybody then, I just found out I have it. And I already finished the tree. SMH


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/grey236

There must've been a thing so that if you started the tree before a certain date you would have to finish the tree to unlock the option. But anybody that started the course after a certain date would get it automatically


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rashtrakut

I started the tree pretty much when it went on Beta and I am stuck with this stupid Latin script


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FerrisLikesEsp

Is this just an option, that we can ignore?

(The hateful responses above sound like this is taking away functionality from everyone, but the original post sounds like it won't hurt regular learners, so I am uncertain.)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Luke_5.1991

To the naysayers: if you're learning this language to have pleasant small talk with your elderly Ukrainian grandmother who won't live forever, this option is very appealing, since you'll be able to learn at a faster rate. I don't recommend this to all people, but in that or a very similar circumstance, it can be helpful. The same can be said about learning enough Japanese to order sushi, or something to that effect. Having the option hurts no one.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/darkestkhan

Huh? Learning cyrillic takes what? between 1/2 and 3 hours... dunno why that would be making it hard to learn Ukrainian by itself...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cherub721

I agree. I wouldn't use this, but the people that are just on here to learn a few pleasantries will. The different isn't really between learning Ukrainian this way and learning Ukrainian using the right alphabet - it's between learning a little Ukrainian or not learning it at all. Those who are interested will realize they need the alphabet and that it will make it easier to read and type. A lot of people are intimidated by the alphabet at first and will pass on the language completely. I really doubt anyone with enough dedication to finish the tree is going to do so without eventually learning Cyrillic.

That said, this should absolutely remain totally optional and I hope most people don't use it after a few test lessons.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Piece_o_Ham

I don't care about the fact that the option is there. What really annoys me is that this option is set to be default. Even if you set it to Cyrillic, and then you switch to a different language and then back, it goes back to Latin.

To be honest, I think even in that case it would be silly to not learn Cyrillic, since it is very hard to actually write Ukrainian in English. Plus it really doesn't take all that long. It's not like it's Morse code (which I have actually learned :P). On top of that, you open up a lot more learning resources. It's a bit like in programming where you sometimes need to spend some time learning a new programming language or tool to save you time in the long run.

Of course I'm not saying that the option should be removed. I'm just saying that this should be made very clear at the beginning of the course. I'm so glad that I started before the option was added. I may have made the dumb decision of not learning Cyrillic.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/underwood.jones

I agree that having the option hurts no one, and that in some circumstance maybe it is a good option for some, but I do certainly hope that those people who go this route eventually DO decide to learn the Cyrillic. I also hope the site doesn't give Latin as the default permanently and that we are encouraging people to learn the Cyrillic, even if it is hard at first. I am using the traditional Ukrainian keyboard layout, and not the phonetic layout...it is slowing me down like crazy, but little by little it is helping and I have the pleasure of knowing I am doing it right the first time. Learning the language with a foreign alphabet and then re-learning sounds like a roundabout way of doing it, so I hope the majority of users don't elect to take that option...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Piece_o_Ham

I know how you feel. I usually type on my English Dvorak layout at about 90 WPM. Now I'm probably around 5 :P


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/somelauw

I think for learning purposes it would be best to always show the Ukrainian alphabet.

Here is my proposal for a better feature: By default it only shows the Ukrainian text. Then there is an option to also display the transliteration to the Latin alphabet.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Piece_o_Ham

You mean display it underneath or something? That would be much better.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/darkestkhan

VERY BAD "FEATURE". Why? Cause it should default to cyrillic, and it shouldn't prevent one from performing timed exercises...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lprada1

How do I go back to Cyrillic Latin characters making it harder


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Super-Svensk

I understand that this might make it easier to learn Ukrainian, but Ukrainian uses the Cyrillic alphabet, not the Latin alphabet. This is allowing people to cheat themselves out of actually learning the language!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/greg.mort

It's not like they need to learn 500 Chinese characters. Cyrillic alphabet takes about 30 min to learn, half of the letters are already the same....


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rachael.cr3

I took Russian in college and was perfect with Cyrillic by the end of the first week! It is really not the most daunting part of any of its languages.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/slogger

Duo would be better off developing a customizable "learn/practice a non-Latin alphabet" module./skill.

Or links could be posted to something offsite, maybe in Anki or YouTube.

As greg mort points out, learning the Cyrillic alphabet is not very difficult. It just takes a little application and a few hours of practice.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/voxlashon

WHY oh WHY does it DEFAULT to LATIN script??

Make it an option, fine... but WHY.... WHY?????????????

This is so annoying.

(Sorry to moan. Can this please be fixed?)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/voxlashon

Duolingo now seems to be remembering my choice to read Ukrainian in Cyrillic script: a big THANK YOU to the team for fixing this.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/arekolek

Does not work for me. After switching courses it is back to the new default of latin alphabet.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/voxlashon

Sorry to hear that. Perhaps it's an A/B test. Have you tried clearing your browser cache?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/arekolek

I have not. But it works now. However (and this is pretty bad) in timed practice you get latin script and there's even no way to turn it off.

Edit: Nope, it still switches back to latin.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mivers

Embarrassed to say it took me until Level 8 to even notice the feature to toggle to Cyrillic script for the tips and notes. I had just resigned myself to reading the latinized prompts.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/underwood.jones

I think it works with a "cookie" in your browser, if you have it set not to allow them from Duo that may be the issue, mine defaults to Cyrillic and I think it's a stored option but I could be wrong...sorry to hear that, it must be quite annoying :-/


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZackReagin

Learning the Ukrainian words is also kind of hard. Can I get an option to switch all of the Ukrainian words to an English translation? That would make things much easier for me. Thanks.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Piece_o_Ham

Took me a second :D That was great!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lprada1

Please help I can't switch to Cyrillic


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/va-diim

How can stop seeing Romanized Ukrainian in the mobile website?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lprada1

HI, I had the same issue, you must go to the View Full Website option, then enter a lesson and there you have the switch button. not available in the mobile version.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/va-diim

Thank you! I did that, and when I switched back to the mobile website, the Cyrillic letters continued to show. Дуже дякую


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/zickovski

The worst decision ever!!!! How can I change it back? Reading Russian or Ukrainian languages without Cyryllic letters does not make any sense! I'm using a mobile version where everything is fine but when I change to my desktop it's annoying to see 'normal' letters instead of Cyryllic one. Actually it is hard to read Russian or Ukrainian language without Cyryllics. Please anyone can help?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rashtrakut

They have fixed the ability to switch now


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MariaTeresa_789

I want to read only in Cyrillic script. I cannot type in cyrillic from my end. But I will tell you that I cannot continue studying with Duolingo if I have to read Ukrainian in latin script.. Please help me out in this or I will have to look for other options.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rashtrakut

On the full website version there is a bar on the top left to change. If you use the app it is in Cyrillic and you can download a keyboard like swiftkey to type.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Christophe308703

Why has this option now gone? How do we get it back??


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Gorg346283

I can't find the button so I am seeing Cyrillic and typing Latin. Did they remove it or something?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Philip487344

I can't get Cyrillic letters and there's no Tips button.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Gorg346283

Cyrillic in terms of your typing them isn't in duolingo but in the system to get them you need to go into windows settings as add a Russian keyboard. then you will be able to switch your keyboard to type Cyrillic and back simply by selecting it on the taskbar.

Hope this helps.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ulysssses

when will be the russian course available from your phone?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/anna.rose.

I have the Duolingo app on my phone, you cannot use Russian? You should to able to excess it I can use Ukrainian and Spanish on my phone Uki is beta.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rashtrakut

You can use the mobile website until it is released on the phone


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mago1981

I want to switch form cyrillic to latin, but I can not find this button!?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/skstudio

Several posts above: "lprada1: HI, I had the same issue, you must go to the View Full Website option, then enter a lesson and there you have the switch button. not available in the mobile version."


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Philip487344

I can't find the switch to toggle to Cyrillic. I don't see a Tips button.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Philip487344

I want to type in Cyrillic and I can't. I can't find the switches or buttons.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/anna.rose.

Hi open the lesson you will be doing, above the owl on left side a circle that has A move you mouse that and will change Cyrillic


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Philip487344

I don't see a tips button. there is nothing in the upper left corner.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PHScanes

It's impossible to read all the comments... where is the button? Is it more one "improvement" of Duolingo actualizations? What is happening in Duolingo world?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/skstudio

There is a screenshot in SergioRuido's post. The button is in the top left corner of the task screen (the one that appears when you start a training session).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PHScanes

There is no button... there was, but no more...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/skstudio

You are right. I have checked it and the button is really not there anymore. I do not know why they removed it, but I hope that you get the tasks in Cyrillic now and not in Latin, because otherwise it is a severe bug.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Reyanne9

I started learning with the latin spelling and now everything is in cryllic, which good on people for learning a new alphabet, but for someone whos just looking to be able to have a conversation with someone and not write it down, im kind of annoyed because its much harder for me to learn Russian... I already knew about the option and chose not to learn a new alphabet and now that i dont have the option its frustrating because i have to start over. (not that i was that far anyways)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/skstudio

You know that this is a Ukrainian discussion, right? Anyways, it is the same here. If it will make things easier for you, you can still type your answers in Latin and it should accept them.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Reyanne9

I am aware the discussion is Ukrainian yes. But i didnt know you could use the other alphabet thank you.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/moesha395305

my boyfriend is Ukrainian .. so I'm her to try learn and surprise him but its really hard when u don't know the letters are how to read whats there .. I need helppppp


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Taksist70

I don't see any "tips" button. Where is it?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Telisa7

It is not available on mobile (at least not with my most recent update" but I am using the computer today and it is a lightbulb.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Telisa7

I have been learning on my phone and so I had downloaded the keyboard. But right now I am on a library computer and had not realized all the ins and outs. I started at the beginning and was just getting into the lessons where I needed to type in Cyrillic and I took a chance and tried to do it phonetically (and was actually pleasantly surprised so that I knew I could continue). After that I decided I had better find out how it is supposed to work. That lead me to this post so now I know how to work both options when I am on the computer, especially one that is not mine. So I appreciate having both options available for that reason.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HosseinMalekSaba

I'm loving this amazing language more every moment!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JanoszTiger

It's an option on a free app, people. Quit complaining. Who knows, this could help people somehow.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MeganSayew

MY grand parnts speek it i only know how to say Baba and Guido i still dont think im spelling it but this is helping stap thehate dulingos ppl


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zornitsa238993

Although I can read, handwrite and touch type Cyrillic (using the mnemonic keyboard), I'm grateful for the Latin option because some characters are missing on the Windows 10 mnemonic keyboard. My only other options are to type using an online keyboard, copy and paste or train myself to type using the original Cyrillic layout.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MisterRoc2k

I'm guessing it's for those that don't have access to their settings on their end. The challenge here, at least for the start, is getting used to the different spellings. I doubt even this will fix that.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BartSimpso769181

its hard to remember cyrilic for ukrainese

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