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Words should weaken easier

I think words should weaken easier and be more difficult to gain strength. There are a number of words that I don't fully know, but they are ranked as fully learned. I haven't really learned all the uses of "to have" and "to be" for example because they may be used a lot throughout the lessons, but I feel like I need to be writing more from scratch or even from the verbal hints.

Part of this is due to the specific rounds in each lesson. The round where you pick from a list of words to make a sentence makes it easy to determine what goes where through the process of elimination. So I might get the right gender for a noun even though I didn't actually know and now my strength for that word is higher. I think it should be something like, if I get a word wrong, I lose a memory segment for that word. If I get it right in that word arrangement round, I should get just a few points towards it, and if I get it right from a direct English translation, I should get a lot more points.

In the end, words should be losing strength all over the place. At least for me, that is. Although some people are quicker learners, I would like to be doing lessons for my weak words automatically rather than looking for the words manually.

Any suggestions?

4 years ago

11 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
olimo
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I agree. There has been quite a lot of threads about that recently. Seems that active users who spend a lot of time learning here feel they have to practice much more than the decay algorithm suggests.

Duo should not rely on our peeking and/or mistakes too much. Most tasks are indeed made so that it is very easy to answer correctly without peeking even if you don't remember the word very well. Multiple-choice questions, selecting pictures, pronouncing a given phrase, translating to English. The only really challenging ones are translating to your target language both in writing and speaking.

4 years ago

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Agreed. I would even say that Duo should react to the fact you peek. If you peek at a word, it should take that into account and lose some memory points. Most importantly, though, the translating to the target language is the hardest and best test of memory. It should be weighted over the less challenging ones.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aiigsh
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Perhaps you can think about it more in the long term. Balance your learning between moving up the tree and redoing lessons. Don't worry so much for now. Take your time. At the end of your tree if you have all the lessons at full strength you will really know a lot of words. Just keep going and you will keep making progress

4 years ago

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This is what I've currently been doing. And it's a great point - I am definitely learning words - but I would benefit a lot more if there was a little more control on determining what words I'm behind on. I would rather be told what sections need work rather than go searching for it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Puddleglum
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Personally, I think that's a bit too hardcore. I'm already having to practice a lot of old skills and if I go to the Vocabulary section and check my weakest words, there are a lot to practice, and I'm sure there are a lot for you too. They already degrade realistically, with more recent words going down faster than basic words, and any faster would be absolutely ridiculous.

4 years ago

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I understand it might seem too hardcore, but everyone learns a bit differently. Although this change might not benefit you, it wouldn't hurt you either and it would definitely help guide my learning patterns. Right now you can't go to a skill bubble and retest the skills together if your strength meter is full. Not to mention, there are words I struggle with, but I can't quickly find which skill list they are in. I am quickly moving down the list, but I'm getting to the point where words are starting to disappear from memory and I can't find a good way to relearn them other than just going through every lesson in order.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
olimo
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Right now you can't go to a skill bubble and retest the skills together if your strength meter is full.

This only applies to the app, in the web version you can easily practice any skill even if it is gold.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bigface

Oh, very nice! Didn't know that.

It wouldn't solve the problem of finding the troublesome areas in the first place, but it's good to know I have that option. Unfortunately, I normally use the app when I'm away from a computer. Perhaps the desktop version on my phone works? I'll have to try that.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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You can also open Vocabulary and sort the words in different orders, for example by strength or by the time they were last practiced, then just review the list to check if you remember those words or not.

4 years ago

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Perfect, thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pleiadian_

I agree that they should weaken quicker, but only a bit faster than the pace at which they are now.

4 years ago