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Argh! Timed practice suggestion?

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My first question this time was to translate "It is difficult to love two people when you do not know if those two people love you." Now that's 85 characters. A typical typist can do about 38-40 words, or 190-200 characters, per minute, or 95-100 characters per 30 seconds. That doesn't leave much time for translation! Maybe there needs to be a maximum length on timed lesson questions?

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/SimoneBa
SimoneBa
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I'm not a big fan of timed practice... for one, it makes me miss off all the accents in order to save time, which is a bit counterproductive.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JohnHopkin

Relieved to know I'm not the only one who does that ...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lieryan
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I'll usually just skip those long translations.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bamsanks
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I agree, an alternative solution could be to give more time to answer the longer questions.. I usually skip too but I don't think it helps me learn at all.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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In fact, they do give more time, but after you give an answer. If that has not been changed somehow, they usually give 7 seconds for a correct answer and 10 seconds if it was a long sentence.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bamsanks
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Oh, I hadn't noticed.. Maybe they should give you an extra three seconds to start with, which you keep if you're right and lose if you're not. I don't think there's a perfect solution to be honest.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pont
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My personal favourite along these lines is in the German tree's Dates & Time Section:

"Montag, Dienstag, Mittwoch, Donnerstag, Freitag, Samstag und Sonntag sind die sieben Tage einer Woche."

To break even on that one you need to hit around 140 words per minute, which I think is faster than most professional typists. So, when I'm practising that lesson, I have that sentence typed out ahead of time in a text document, and paste it in when it comes up. I used to just skip the question, until I realized that this is telling the word strength algorithm that I haven't learnt the days of the week yet and I need to see that question more often!

Not an ideal solution, obviously. My preferred remedy would be to get extra time for these huge sentences, but it would not be entirely straightforward to implement. You'd want the time up front (rather than after completing the question), but then what happens if you skip the question or get it wrong? Perhaps the main counter should be paused for a few extra seconds during that question, with an extra "bonus time counter" counting down until the main timer restarts... but that seems excessively complicated and might confuse people. For now I'll stick with the cut-and-paste :-).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JohnHopkin

What's even worse is when you get three or more longish sentences one after another. Even if I can type the first one quickly enough, fatigue sets in on the second and by the third I'm really struggling.

Maybe it would be a good idea if the app could make sure that translations like that are interspersed with shorter ones - multiple choice and so on.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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I'd suggest to avoid giving long sentences in the beginning of a timed session. I've noticed I manage them much better if they are given closer to the end when I have gained some extra time.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Although I agree with the general idea. A big sentence does not always translate to a another big sentence.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ruthlilycat

I would avoid any of the oral lessons in timed practice, just skip them if it can't pick your voice up immediately.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/eliranh

Where did you get those numbers? I typed your sentence in 11 seconds.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/OldSpiceGuy
OldSpiceGuy
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Congratulations. Would you like a cookie?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_typing_speed - "adults in a professional working environment" 38-40 wpm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_per_minute - "average computer users" 33 wpm for transcription, 19 wpm for composition

The standard "word" is 5 characters.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/OldSpiceGuy
OldSpiceGuy
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Incidentally, I can type it in English in 14 seconds. But I'm transcribing, not translating.

4 years ago