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"Au-delà de la nuit"

January 4, 2013

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LiamNoir

What does this have to do with food?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/badacz

Well, if you would like to inform somebody when he can feed his gremlins, when it is already after midnight...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LiamNoir

Ah yes indeed. It must be a common phrase in France what with all the gremlins about.


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    Maybe the food will spoil after the night...


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/allpowerful32

    What's the difference between 'Au-delà de' and 'Apres' (forgive the lack of accent)? I'd guess that the former is more general (could be applied to more than just temporal stuff; perhaps closer to 'beyond' in English), and the latter is specifically 'temporally after'. Am I on the right track?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    Yes, "au-delà de" means "beyond" and "après" means "after". The respective meaning and nuances are the same as in English.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eliminnowp

    If "au-delà" means "beyond" and "après" means "after" why are they telling us to use "au-delà" to mean after?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    I guess it is because they want to show you that they can be synonyms.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/crogers90

    "la nuit" would imply the whole night i believe, not just some ambiguous amount of night.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MDK2

    i never even heard of au-dela


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Keelan.P

    I'm not myself sure but i believe that in this case the words are interchangeable and possible this is more formal or caters to a different meaning. ie Apres le nuit -informal
    Au-dela- formal


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DuFarge

    I answered 'after tonight' and it was marked incorrect. I guess I just don't get this phrase at all.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Farisalghazy

    au dela de= after

    la nuit = the night

    I answer "after the night" and it's correct, but I still don't know what it means?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/roslynnicole

    tonight and the night are two different things


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CaloCR

    tonight is like to say 'tonight we have a party' but with 'night' you can say maybe a generalization 'after every night bla bla bla' ,but 'after every tonight' is different (and weird)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sygmoral

    It is now accepted as an answer.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/everback

    <after night> is correct too


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/infinitum17

    The "explain" thing on "au" says that "au" = "a" + "le". So, if you expand that out, you get

    a le dela de la nuit

    That's like 6 prepositions/articles in a row. What the hell is going on here?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/chrissomerry

    In this case "delà" is just a word that resembles "de la", when it's just it's own word. Like "thing" is not "the + ing" (there's no decent English example of this for me to use unfortunately).


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JoRich

    I've never ever said this, and have lived in France for two years...but maybe I should start! ? The first sentence I've come across that I didn't know :(


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/notantisocial

    I spent quite 3 months in immersive French language school and became quite good and I have never heard it.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    Which demonstrates that you are right to keep learning on Duo, because 3 months are apparently not enough.

    To be frank with you, I am not sure I ever heard or used "au-delà de la nuit". But au-delà (antonym: en-deça) is very common: au-delà du fleuve, au-delà de la frontière, au-delà des apparences, au-delà de mes forces...


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/20schabow

    It could also be referring to when you will eat breakfast.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/selykyles

    Is this a commonly used phrase in French? For myself, I've never used this phrase in English or German.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    By itself, this very short sentence out of any context is perfectly acceptable. "au-delà de" is uses as often as you would use "beyond". But not necessarily with "la nuit".

    • le résultat est au-delà de notre objectif = the result is beyond our objective.

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/selykyles

    right...so they're doing the "My aunt's camel has fallen in the mirage" trick then :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JamesWestley

    What the hell does this have to do with food ?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/snowleopard26

    what was the purpose of "de" & why is it not simply au-dela la nuit. I am confused about the meaning of "de" in this sentence & what exactly is the meaning of "au" separately & "dela" separately


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hiromisophie

    When do you use "au-dela" in a conversation?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    Basically every time you would mean "beyond", I believe.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DuFarge

    "Beyond" in reference to time, I assume. You'd not use it to mean 'beyond' as in 'beyond the shore'. Or...would you?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    "beyond" and "au-delà de" are used both for time and space.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DuFarge

    Thank you, once again.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thckr0

    Just wondering, what does this mean exactly? Does this mean after tonight, or after midnight?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    It means after night as a whole, ie until the sun rises again.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LiamNoir

    Ah, so can't always be used in the gremlins scenario! Sometimes it is ok to feed Gizmo "Au-delà de la nuit".


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shiran.tal11

    why do you put "de" if it doesnt mean "osme in the translation?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    Because "au-delà de" is working like a block, and "de" is a very versatile proposition, used in many kinds of sentences.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ebmckay

    My brain hurts from this one. I translated this as 'tomorrow'. Is that roughly how it would be used?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shnaynaay

    so basically "au-delà de" means tomorrow? i am confused


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    No, "au-delà" only means "beyond". However, in this sentences, "au-delà de la nuit" implies that hopefully the sun will rise again and it will be day time again and it will be tomorrow!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/crazyawesome

    doesnt really make any sence


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Beth_Reed

    I answered "after tonight" and it was marked correct after thinking a while, but I'm not sure I understand in what context you would say this. Is it like "See you in the morning" in the same way "a demain" is "see you tomorrow"? Or would it only ever be a prepositional phrase to say when something happens, or is going to happen... "je vais manger au-dela de la nuit" (sorry for no accents)? Something else? I've studied French a while and never run into this phrase.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    I really believe that this choice of sentence "au-delà de" + "la nuit" is giving everybody unnecessary headaches for something we probably would not say anyway.

    "au-delà de" + a time reference is generally used with a date, not this vague notion of "night".

    • I will not stay there beyond June 25th = je ne resterai pas là-bas au-delà du 25 juin.

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/odo5435

    Thank you @Sitesurf. I was marked wrong for the answer 'tomorrow morning' (which I still think is technically correct). It was the closest approximate translation into English that I could possibly think anyone might use. Using it in reference to a date at least makes some sense.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/crazyawesome

    after the night..... the prhase doesn't make sence


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sygmoral

    "After tonight" is the most sense-making translation, in my opinion.

    I had French at school for 8 years, and never learned "au-delà"! :D


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    Especially for you, "au-delà" can also be a noun: "dans l'au-delà" means "beyond death".


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hamarana

    I wrote TOMORROW MORNING, after all, after the night it is morning , right ?? What is Au-delà de la nuit ! supposed to mean??


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    what if you read the whole thread?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rodrigocossi

    au-dela' de la nuit shouldn't be the same as late night?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/marlap

    It's been many years since I took French (and I studied it for 3 years) and I don't remember ever coming across au-dela de.....has this been in common use for a long time?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/marlap

    Is it like a bientot or something? a phrase? I would like to know how it is commonly used? Is it poetic, something you would tend to see in a story?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rudypalacios23

    Hi, I have a question, "Le loup mange de la viande" could mean "The wolf is eating some meat" but in "Au-delà de la nuit" means "After the night" why can't be "After some night", I don't know, maybe to say something like "after some night I will do it", many thanks


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    Please read the rest of the thread.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mardusfolm

    My wife grew up in france and has only lived in the states for about 6 years, to her this makes no sense and is completly unacceptable. It is grammatically correct but she has NEVER heard any French person use this expression. Is it like new slang maybe?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jerz

    What is the literal translation of au-delà?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kevinwang54321

    this has nothing to do with food


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tech0065

    Well, the simples thing I can get of this is that if are gonna use Au-delà is when you refer after, that is what the google traslator said. and in the diccionary commtly said that asswell


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/marzd182

    Au-delà de does mean after, but in the sense of beyond (i.e. that you go further). e.g. faire la fête au delà de la nuit = party til morning or party all night (and after/beyond). It is also used to mean the afterlife "l'au-delà". Apparently very uncommon to use. The French would only use it if they were trying to write in 'proper' French. It is very poetic - they like to play a lot with their language - they'd more likely say après la nuit or demain matin or à l'aube.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/piy9

    if the translation is after the night, then what is the point of 'de' in the sentence? Au-dela la nuit seems to do the trick too?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    no, because there are words that you can't decide to skip, even if they seem useless to you.

    The full prepositional locution is "au-delà de"


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/piy9

    de means some right? Why is it being used in this sentence? In one example before de was used with nourriture to suggest that the man ate only some food. Can Au-dela ever be used without de?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

    "de" does not mean "some" by itself.

    Most often, "de" means "of":

    • a kilo of sugar = un kilo de sucre

    • in spite of = en dépit de

    • in case of = en cas de

    • beyond = au-delà de


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/piy9

    Merci beaucoup :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/windsorgirl

    So, why wouldn't "overnight" be considered a correct answer?

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