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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/paulsc167

capital I in turkish verb "to be" lesson

Hi, as a heads up, I found it quite confusing that on this page:

https://www.duolingo.com/skill/tr/To-be

the suffix is written with a uppercase I, which looks like a "L" in this font.

October 1, 2015

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlexinNotTurkey

I have been thinking about switching it to "İ" actually because of this issue. This would break from the normal typology of Turkish grammars though.

If you enjoy closely looking at fonts like me, you will find that the "l" is curved at the bottoms. Also remember that Turkish really hates consonant clusters and likes to avoid them at all costs (and I cannot think of a single suffix that consonant cluster except for "-dIkçA" at the moment).

October 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/paulsc167

Interesting. Not sure what you mean when you refer to the "normal typology of Turkish grammar" though. Why is it an "i" an not a "u" for instance?

October 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlexinNotTurkey

It was just what people writing various grammars of Turkish chose when writing explanations of 4-way vowel harmony ("ı" is probably the most commonly used one). Similarly, they chose "A" instead of "E" to describe two-way vowel harmony :)

October 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ektoraskan

The first guy to come up with that typology probably just went for the alphabetical order: between "A" and "E", A comes first; just as "ı" comes first amoung "ı, i, u, ü".

Now, is this a must? Probably not. We should be able to freely "play" with the typology to suit the learners' needs. :-] I don't think any native would object to it since this whole concept of "ı-type" or "a-type" suffixes is probably alien to most of the natives, because it's not really the way they learn it at school. I don't remember ever seeing such a notation before I met people who learnt Turkish.

Anyway, my point is, I'd be totally OK with not comlying with standard typologies. And if it doesn't work out in the end, we can always go back. :-]

October 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlexinNotTurkey

If the TDK comes knocking on my door, I am sending them back to Ankara to find you :D

October 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/paulsc167

cool. Thanks for the feedback.

October 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bookrabbit

Knowing which capital 'eye' to use in general is tricky. Is it Istanbul or İstambul? It is particularly tricky when using a turkish keyboard to type in english! It is odd that you need to use a different letter to get the capital than the small letter. I know I now find myself hesitating whenever I go to type an I or an i on any keyboard layout!

October 1, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/chaered

Maybe the font could be set differently on those letters; that would also make them jump out a bit more. Maybe underscore, or italic/bold, or use Courier. So e.g. -DIrlAr instead of -DIrlAr.

October 1, 2015
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