German tree update
Wow - this is a big one with a LOT of new material - if I counted correctly on the tree, it is 119 lessons to get my owl back again?
I got on this morning and my jaw dropped! I'm really excited about more stuff to learn!!
Yes! mine is also updated as well. It is nice that there are more words for learning :)
I know a lot of people are discouraged by having to do A LOT of new lessons, but as I see it it will only improve your german. I was in the process of regilding when all of a sudden I had countless lessons that degilded, but as far as I can see I only need to finish the last three lessons - the grey ones - before I can get my owl back. Sure it will take longer to have the tree all golden again, but I will learn a lot of new material in the process. I'll stick to the plan: Regild the tree and then take a german progress quiz. Last time I took a quiz I got 4.84 but that was 4 months ago and I only returned to the tree a week ago.
You'll need to finish the new lessons in between, I just finished the last few but didn't get my owl back
Wooo! New skill tree = lingots to earn! o(^▽^)o
Okay okay, and other stuff, like words...
For real, people are upset that the German tree now comes with extra bonus German?
For me pros - the ordering makes a LOT more sense now. I haven't got all the way through the tree yet but the bits I have seem to be grouped together more sensibly. Lessons like all the "-zeug" words grouped together make it click together better than being introduced to them randomly throughout. Breaking up difficult concepts is better too (no more deathly 10-lessons of adverbs!)
Cons - why couldn't gender be available on hover over? Literally the most important thing about any noun, and you've decided we don't need to learn it and we have to decipher it from context. It's like tying someone's hands behind their back and asking them to run 100m. It's probably doable but it makes life more difficult.
I don't think they are upset, so much as feeling a bit unsettled. There is a lot of good info in the new stuff, but it is somewhat overwhelming to see that more than half of your tree - which has been mostly golden for some time - suddenly needs refreshed. I'm thinking that it will discourage some, but others will take it in stride, welcome the new material, and keep their noses to the grindstone.
About the gender issue - if you just hover over the article, that will usually be adequate. There are many times that I have done that - and I still don't always remember.
I just did three lessons in the "Places 1" skill. I was only asked once to translate a sentence from English to German - not enough in my view (translating German to English is [relatively] easy peasy). And when I did, indeed I could hover over the English article and see the appropriate one for the noun. But I try to avoid hovering - seems like cheating, not a good test of my ability.
Having said that there were no "Match the Pairs" or "How do you say ..." (with three options, no pictures) - which is where I had missed the articles to show the gender.
The new version of "How do you say ..." ("Select translation of ..."), with pictures, also has articles - excellent!
A lingot for this!
One thing I noticed about the new stuff - there were words and concepts added to the earlier part of the tree that needed to be there. Just a couple of days ago, I noticed a comment by someone complaining that you didn't get "Wie heißen Sie" (or "Wie heißt du") until the next to last lesson.
I have also noticed many words that I have remembered from my college German that I had not seen on Duolingo before coming up in much of the new material.
If anyone feels overwhelmed by it, just keep plugging. Much of the new stuff is one or two lessons in existing units, so you don't have to redo the entire unit. I've been moving very rapidly through the new stuff.
And for those of you who are obsessed with lingots - I have already earned around 100 of them in the last 24 hours, mostly doing this new stuff.
That's the problem :) I wish I could get it soon, but I'm always the last one to get nice things haha
I was just a lesson away from finishing the tree!! :( Am happy about the new stuff.. but why not just a day later :(
Opened my Duolingo German learning tree and it looks like autumn is upon me. Looking forward to more learning!
I think it is important to update the tree. But what happen with the lessons I had done? There are many of then I had completed. Now I have to do it all over again. I think there's something wrong.
We have reordered and edited a lot of things. Even if there is just one new word in a lesson it is displayed as incomplete.
Is there any good reason for having all the Duolingo self-advertising in the lessons? Those exercises aren't anything we'll ever use. And to make an entire lesson to introduce a proper name?
Otherwise, I am glad to have more opportunity to learn.
We didn't see it as self-advertising, I'm sorry you perceive it that way. It was entirely the choice of us volunteers, and we do not have any need to do advertising. We needed a few names to introduce basic greetings, so we chose Duo amongst a few others because we thought it would be a fun alternative to standard German names. Other courses did this as well, and we perceived it as fun while doing those courses.
By the way, "Duo" is only one word out of six being introduced in that lesson. It should not be the case that you get only these sentences for the whole lesson. Likely this is a byproduct of switching to the new tree. I'm guessing you had already learned the other five words in the lesson, that's why the system thought you have to go back and learn this one. Unfortunately we couldn't exempt names from being counted as words due to technical reasons, but I believe this is on the todo list for future development.
I wish you had added new categories for new words instead of updating the old ones. It's quite frustrating to do some lessons all over again because of a single word. :/
You can always test out if you are confident in your knowledge of the material.
I worked hard to maintain golden items when I am making progress. This is a big motivation for me in this gaming experience. Today's update removed most of the golden states. It's so depressing that I may just drop this tree.
Why would you stop learning German because new material was added? Do you want to learn some of the language or have a pretty tree? Because I know which one I would take :)
plecboy, oh my god, i was gonna type the exact same thing and then i read your mesg :D
Hello! Keep going, the new material is good! I had finished my tree (but it was not all golden) and I knew I had a lot more to learn. Now it is possible to learn more of the needed vocabulary and useful structures here on Duolingo. If you like the way Duolingo structures the learning experience, give the new material a chance.
Hang on in there, it won't take too long to golden up again but I know how you feel!
I feel the same way but it does show how little I know of German, so I'm glad they're making the course more worthwhile.
I was this way for awhile, I finished the tree with everything gold, I eventually got to the mindset to only keep the important skills golden, skills likes arts, politics, sports, etc aren't really that important so I'm not going to keep those up
Now that being said, things lose golden status way too quickly and there is no quick way to sharpen a ton of skills.
You could just test out of the part of the tree you have completed already.
There is new material in all the "new" stuff. What you have completed already didn't change.
I agree and am myself going to progress through the tree as before, but my comment was because Nan390021 was thinking of dropping their tree.
Rather than doing that, I thought they might re-gild quickly (by testing out) and then they could continue on.
If they keep their tree gilded after they eventually complete it, then they are bound to hit the new items eventually. In fact they will probably see them much sooner, since the skills will probably decay much faster due to them containing items that have not been seen yet.
Correction: "Was für eine Zeit (with an e).
Also: (optional but still recommended:) um am Leben zu sein!"
Love the new material, and that they split a few lessons. It fills in some holes that I was finding a bit frustrating. But I feel like this builds your skills better. Plus, it's a new goal to get back to where I was!! :D
I hope they broke down Adverbs 1. This was hell of a step to take. Not to mention, few useless words at that stage...
EXACTLY! I was stuck with the adverbs for a week because it teaches very important words, every time I opened duolingo I had to retake the adverbs lesson, it became a little boring and was losing motivation. This new tree made me so happy partly because of this, no kidding, I was literally screaming OH YES when I saw it.
I only had three more sections left, so I'd be done with the tree in about a month doing one lesson a day... now I don't know how many it will be before I'm done with the tree. Maybe next time send an email to people who seem to be active in certain trees (or just a blanket one to everyone regarding updates) to give them a heads up that a lot of new material is going to be added?
I understand that more words mean more learning, but the initial appearance is that we have to go back through because we didn't do it right the first time, and our work is undone (I know it isn't, but when you have a handful of sections left to either do or make gold and then all of sudden have dozens to finish, that's how it feels). I was looking forward to starting the French tree, but I'm not going to be able to for quite a while now.
A little disruptive for me because I had been counting down the # of lessons left... (went from 60 to 184 lessons left) I will still aim to finish by New Years though :)
This has to be the longest/tallest tree on Duolingo, right?
I panicked that my account had been tampered with after I saw this new update. Glad to learn some new material, though!
So many mixed emotions. My tree is not finished anymore! But new content...?
Could someone post a screenshot of the extended tree? I'm not part of the group testing it, and I'm curious to know what's been added.
just 98 for me, but I was so close to finishing my tree, I only had 3 more esctions to do, now loads more!
So... Much... Gold... Gone... :'( (Well that just means there is more to learn :D )
Wow that is a lot! I'm very excited for the new version which I still haven't gotten yet. However looking at the discussions I think that most people are getting it now so hopefully my tree gets updated soon. I am actually excited to do all these new lessons. It'll help me get to level 25 as well.
This is great. New lessons, new motivation. I'm impressed with the amount of new content.
I was half way through but now i have to go from the start. I get that there are new lesson but i cant test out the earlier lesson now at least the first 2 check points are just a chore now just a waste of time.
My tree looks the same. Do you need to be at a particular level to see more? Exciting to know there is a lot of learning ahead!
I'm very surprised, when I have seen German tree, but I want to pass the exam ending education, so new lessons very will be used
When will I get the new tree?? Started couple days before it was introduced. Can't wait to see it!
I was wondering with so few lessons to go how I was going to move from 52% of German to a more respectable amount. Hopefully now there is a chance. It has certainly made me do more today!
I feel the very same. I was done with the old tree but was at 49%. I'm hoping to inch up from there soon; I'm working like crazy.
It doesn't say noun gender anymore, so I have to guess it. Not very happy about that. I also hope they've put the Bratwurst somewhere in there. Isn't it like one of the most common German words?
Are you sure? When you hover over the word? the gender was written there below possible translations. Still hope they put it back.
Edit: Sorry.. guess you can't check that anymore :)
Depends on the question, if you're going from German to English it will give it to you, but it doesn't English to German. If you need a hint, hover over the article in front of it and typically the correct article is the top hint
I have reported a lot of (perceived) errors. I realize that it is a difficult task to anticipate all the possible correct translations on a new release like this; I hope I don't sound too critical in my reports, I'm afraid I have a tendency to do that. But having spent many years as a computer programmer, and putting out "perfect" software that the user can find all kinds of holes in, I know that this is a risk to be expected, because we simply don't all think alike.
I think you are doing a great job. The more is fixed right of the bat the sooner everyone else gets the content!
A fellow programmer of mine once said, "When you write a program, you try to make it work; when you test one, you try to break it." We are testing the new changes to Duolingo's German course. I don't usually try too hard; if I break it one time and report it, then when a similar question comes around, I try to be careful and answer it the way they expect. That's probably not really the right thing to do, because they will only correct the question that has been reported, as far as I know.
I used to be a programmer so I know exactly what are you talking about. Most people don't like to see their mistakes. I say that is the only way to improve anything :) Find 'em and fix 'em.
Very impressive update, I'm waiting to get it. Is there a way to turn it on or do I have to wait until it changes on its own?
It might be great to have the new material and design, but it did not help having no warning of the changes. Duo email me daily with a reminder. Could they not have emailed to warn me, and count down to the changes. It came as a shock! I look at progress by counting my gold circles cf non-gold ones. My motivation has vanished literally overnight!
Thank you all for the encouragement in this blog to keep going. There are so many other ways to learn German, I do think that Duo should take care of its users a little more. They are usually great.
They just gave us a bunch of new courses and words, I would say they are taking care of us. Don't worry so much about keeping everything gold. Review the older important ones like verbs and adjectives, don't worry so much about keeping sports, arts, animals, etc gold
From Godfather: "I thought I was out and they dragged me back in." Distur4bing at first but then I felt excited for the chance to learn so much more
I counted 123 - but that was before they removed the extraneous "Perfect 2". And it's hard to count them.
What is the criteria for getting the update? Sorry, new to duoLingo in general so I've never been through a big update like this.
you can always create a new account and check it that way. If you feel confident there is always the option to go after checkpoints and move from there
Well, I salute you for questioning your sainty - very few do ;-)
However to support you with potential self-doubt I searched for some quotes for you here
Very stoked about this. :D Any word on what the new word count is for the tree?
This just really made my day! I'm so excited to learn and review my old lessons! I can't believe I'm so happy.
I think the new lessons are nice - a bit shorter, a bit more practice, a bit less material in each so they're more focused. Very excited! Big question tho - I'm on level 9 (after three and a half weeks). How many levels are there? I just want to know haha
I love getting tree updates, EXCEPT I track my duo process in Excel and it's difficult to update the sheet after updates :(
Bravo, German team! I look forward to all the new lessons. But a shock to come back yesterday from a two-weeks break to find my nice gold tree blindingly colorful! :) (and losing that owl!)
I only just last week finally got my owl and off its flown.. pretty stoked though, looks like a great mix of new stuff, sure beats just reviewing lessons!
Just completed the new tree and made it all gold!
There were many new lessons. But it seems some of the new lessons are repackaged versions of old longer lessons. I think it helps to have it broken down into smaller chunks so you can learn a few new words instead of 20 a lesson.
You are fast! Well, I might finish it tonight yet, but I tend to make a lot of mistakes - fat fingers, or not reading the material carefully enough. And of course, there are "legitimate" mistakes where I think I'm right, but I'm not - plus the duo errors that are bound to crop up in such a massive update.
Actually, we're both fast. I'm finished now - and as soon as I finished, one of the new exercises had already come up for refreshing.
It is an experimental feature, so about half of the people got the update.
it's a great thing. but there is a little problem: it doesn't add the new words I learn (for example 'traurig', which has been added right now). is there anyone with that problem too? :(
I was on track to finish for New Year with my goal being to read my first novel next year. I feel there's only so much you can learn with Duo and as brilliant it is I felt that after over a year of this method I would have needed to push up to something more ambitious. I'm now due to finish my Duo tree in August 2016. I'm grateful for the new material but somewhat counterintuitively I feel I could end up a little held back by it (selfish reasons, of course, this is amazing news for newcomers!)
I don't mind, it's a shock to the system but I'll adapt my approach to fit. What's really bugging me now though is that I was using Anki alongside Duo. I had my cards all organised by where they came in the Duolingo tree.
Is there a new, complete, vocab list up yet for this new tree?