Weekly Incubator Update: Tracking Progress from October 4th to October 11th
Looking at the progress made, it is really hard to believe that the Duolingo Incubator is only two years old. Well done, everyone!
New courses started
Two new courses have come to the Incubator:
1. Welsh for English speakers. You can get a fair sense from their updates below that they are an excited team! :)
2. Guarani for Spanish speakers. Continuing on the trend to teach courses that are based on languages other than English, this is a welcome announcement!
... btw, Finnish, where are you?...
Graduation to Beta
The FR<-IT course has graduated to beta! Congratulations to all involved!
Graduation to phase 3
The IT<-FR course has graduated to Phase 3! Congratulations to all involved!
As many as three Duolingoers have completed 1000 days of streak - johnarnold, christi3, and edythuk! Congratulations to them, and to Duolingo as well, who have created and experience that users want to continuously engage in.
Two years with Duolingo
Having started on 8-Oct-2013, "yours truly" too has now completed 2 years on Duolingo! It seems unbelievable!
Thought for the week
There's a lot going on at Duolingo!
PHASE 1 Progress: Total 26 courses
French for Italian - 100% | 100% | 100% | Beta
German for French - 99% | 99% | 99% | 99% (+0)
Russian for English - 98% | 99% | 99% | 99% (+0)
German for Turkish - 94% | 94% | 94% | 94% (+0)
Polish for English - 83% | 87% | 91% | 91% (+0)
English for Thai - 90% | 90% | 90% | 90% (+0)
Spanish for Russian - 80% | 81% | 82% | 84% (+2)
Catalan for Spanish - 67% | 72% | 74% | 82% (+8)
Hungarian for English - 80% | 80% | 80% | 80% (+0) ^
German for Italian - 71% | 71% | 72% | 72% (+0)
Vietnamese for English - 60% | 61% | 64% | 66% (+2)
Spanish for Italian - 63% | 63% | 64% | 64% (+0)
Hebrew for English - 55% | 57% | 59% | 62% (+3)
Spanish for Chinese - 38% | 42% | 44% | 57% (+13) *
Swedish for Russian - 53% | 54% | 54% | 55% (+1)
Romanian for English - 40% | 40% | 40% | 40% (+0)
German for Arabic - 33% | 35% | 37% | 38% (+1)
Greek for English - 34% | 34% | 34% | 34% (+0)
Italian for Portuguese - 24% | 25% | 26% | 26% (+0)
Hindi for English - 20% | 20% | 21% | 21% (+0) ^
Klingon for English - 19% | 19% | 19% | 19% (+0)
Portuguese for French - 18% | 18% | 18% | 18% (+0)
Czech for English - 10% | 10% | 10% | 10% (+0) ^
Yiddish for English - 8% | 8% | 8% | 8% (+0)
French for Chinese - 5% | 5% | 5% | 5% (+0)
Welsh for English - (New) 1% (+1) ^
Guarani for Spanish - (New) 0% (+0)
Mean - 1.42% | 0.8% | 0.88% | 1.15% (+0.27)
Median - 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% (+0)
* This week's Leader Extraordinaire!
^ The Hungarian, Hindi, Czech, & Welsh teams' progress is as per their own calculation
Here's what the contributing teams have said during the last week:
Shwmae, Sumae ! Hi!
We're so pleased to be starting our Welsh for speakers of English course.
We're a team of teachers, academics and experienced learners.
If we can achieve a fraction of the success of our Celtic cousins we'll be overjoyed.
So 'bant â ni' (off we go)
A big welcome to everyone interested in our course and a huge thank you to all of you who have supported us during our campaign to bring Welsh into the fantastic DuoLingo community. Plus of course many thanks from all of us go to the DuoLingo team for making in happen.
Feliç 9 d'Octubre!!
Hoy, día 9 de octubre, se celebra el día festivo de la Comunidad Valenciana, conmemorando la entrada del rey catalanoaragonés Jaume I (Jaime I) en la ciudad de València (Valencia) después de una dura batalla con los árabes que ocupaban la capital, entonces llamada Balansia, en el año 1238.
Queríamos celebrar este día en Duolingo para reconocer la pluralidad de la lengua catalana, hablada no solamente en Catalunya, sino en muchos otros lugares, entre ellos Valencia. Tres voluntarios de diferentes lugares, @Luke19, @RamonSerra3 y yo misma nos hemos incorporado recientemente al curso para revisarlo y matizarlo, de tal manera que podamos admitir el mayor número de respuestas posibles para hablantes de todos los lugares.
Como habréis visto, el curso continúa avanzando y ya nos situamos en el 76% de progreso completado. Ja falta poc! ¡Ya falta poco! Estamos muy contentos por el próximo lanzamiento a Beta, y por la cifra de usuarios, más de 9300, que están esperándolo con ganas.
L'8 ottobre il corso di francese per italiani è finalmente entrato in fase beta! Questo significa che il corso non è ancora completamente stabile e saranno dunque utilissime le segnalazioni di tutti gli utenti :) Alla prossima, Davide
Week 18: 21% complete, beta launch 31-Dec-2015
Thanks to you all for the cheer on our tiny progress last week. We do hear you!
Day one and having fun!
It seems to be a weekly tradition to update, so although it's only a couple of days since we started and only this morning since we've managed to get the hang of the editor, I thought a little update would be appropriate.
Firstly we welcome two new members to our team, which will expand the expertise linguistically and geographically available to develop the course.
Secondly we have started designing our tree, based on our initial course outline, and entering some trial content. What a buzz then to test it out and see the first skills set out as in a completed course.
Hwyl am y tro / Bye for now
Two new courses - Welsh for English speakers and Guarani for Spanish speakers.
FR<-IT course graduates to beta and IT<-FR course graduates to Phase 3!
My India travel blog (3 of 4):
Today, we head to Raipur, the capital of the state of Chhattisgarh in central India. A few years ago, there was massive land acquisition made by the government to create a "new" Raipur. From the looks of it, the project seems to be going well and the New Raipur is a showcase for thoughful planning with a future vision for the next 20-30 years. Unfortunately, we have now seen instances of such a vision for urban planning in India in the past several decades. And kudos to the state government for taking this bold step!
The jetways at the Raipur Airport. Some of the A-class cities do not yet have exhaustive jetways, so this seems to be a luxury for Raipur.
And the airport from the inside.
The outside view
One of the newly developed shopping malls
And one of the construction site for new homes
We will be heading back to Delhi in the final segment to be continued next week.
The next update is expected on Sunday, 18th of October at 3:00 pm UTC.
Previous Update 27-Sep to 4-Oct
I'm not sure if they realize how many people they have sitting on the edge of their seats checking every day to see if it's released or any closer to being released. I'm just brushing up on my completed trees and slowly going through German just to keep busy until it's released.
> I'm not sure if they realize how many people they have sitting on the edge of their seats checking every day . . .
They must. How could anyone who pages down through recent forum posts not? Shady_arc replies to some of the umpteen million "When will Russian finally be released?" posts. As Flux711 says, it is out of their hands, as they are waiting on the TTS engine.
The news is the same news that has been passed around for the last month and a half. Waiting for the Text-To-Speech to be implemented before it can be released into Beta. In the meantime, learning the Russian alphabet will give you a jump-start on the course. According to the incubator page "We do teach the alphabet as it is easy to learn. It ... takes some time to become reasonably fast. So, if you have some time to learn it now, please do so" (Update from 08/01/2015)
I downloaded an app called something like "Cyrillic in 3 hours" for iOS, I really recommend it, that's how I learned the alphabet, though I would recommend using other sources, too.
Which one will come out first? Russian for English speakers, or Welsh for English speakers? Since, apparently, the completion of the Russian course is out of Duolingo's control, I'm not holding my breath.
I'm with Ontalor though. I got the new German tree a couple of days ago, so I've been working feverishly to finish it before (maybe) Russian comes out. If not, I have French to stay ahead of my daughter on.
If it was Russian for German speakers I'd be all over it. Reinforce German while I'm at it. I'm not sure how the opposite would go though. I guess I could give it a try after I finish this new German tree.
I started the Russian for German speakers tree, per your suggestion. It hasn't been as difficult as I feared it would be. I think that it would be difficult if I didn't know how to read and pronounce Cyrillic... but fortunately, I did take Russian in high school, and I did some Rosetta Stone Russian last year, so reading the Russian is not difficult.
By the time Russian for English speakers does come out, I should be able to test out of more skills than just the alphabet... and I'll be more confident in the skills that I do know.
Its sad to see that Yiddish, Hungarian, and Romanian are pretty much abandoned :(
I have seen posts from a member of the Romanian team who is still on board, but he said other members of the team abandoned and that he needs help or something.
Really? Do you remember his Username? I might try to find some Romanian speakers eager to teach and send them his way. Also is he still working on Romanian?
Yeah hes active he just posted something about 10 minutes ago. I just asked him something, thanks!
Wasn't there allegedly some activity in the Hungarian course? Also don't forget Thai.
I don't know to be honest, and yeah English for Thai speakers seems to have been abandoned too, which to bad because they were so darn close. I would say Greek seems to be abandoned, but 3/4 of the members have streaks and show signs of recent activity in there profile. I think they may be taking a break and studying more languages. Although the leading guy in the Hungarian for English speakers seems to be active and is probably working on Hungarian there appears to be no hope that Yiddish is still being worked on.
FYI, English for Thai speakers team did translated some exercises, and/or the elements of the interface this week (and not just a few ones) and had also made progresses (but less) in the past weeks.
So the %age stay the same but work is done by the team.
Their incubator numbers are moving. The incubator says 99.4%, up from 96% on Aug. 30, and a couple points lower maybe a week before that. So they've been doing something.
Jiten's numbers are self-reported, because they started with an empty or partial tree, which throws off the incubator's %. But they haven't been reporting changes, so on Jiten's page, they appear completely stalled. But they're not.
We don't know what the real % is, because we don't know if the new team is sticking to the old plan, or just finishing the existing tree, or has some other plan.
The two sites that I knew of that kept historical data on this are now gone. I only know the numbers because of my own previous posts. Anyone know of another working incubator tracker? (The wikia and moviemap pages are gone.)
If there are no contributors left for a particular course, and it's therefore completely abandoned, is the work on it lost, or can any new contributors who sign up to work on that course continue where it was left off? Basically, does the data have to be transferred directly from team to team, or does it remain on Duolingo's servers?
Also, these "incubator numbers" and stats like sentences / translations / exercises created, are they visible somewhere to everyone, or only to the registered contributors?
The contribs work on the datas that are on Duo's server (not on datas that are locally on their computer), so nothing is lost when a contrib leave.
- %age is accessible to everyone
- #sentences/translation to contribs
- #exercises created to no one.
If there are no contributors left for a particular course, and it's therefore completely abandoned, is the work on it lost, or can any new contributors who sign up to work on that course continue where it was left off? Basically, does the data have to be transferred directly from team to team, or does it remain on Duolingo's servers? The data remain on Duolingo's servers. A team cannot have 0 contributors as far as I know, thus: If there are no more team members, they will keep minimum one member in the team (or if everybody left, they keep a course mentor or another person from staff) and then they are searching for new contributors. Thus: I don't think that one course will be ever completely abandoned.
Also, these "incubator numbers" and stats like sentences / translations / exercises created, are they visible somewhere to everyone, or only to the registered contributors? This is only viewable for course moderators, course contributors and staff.
I checked the Hungarian team's progress once more and I really have to tell you that they still do something every week (and it's definitely more than a few sentences!). But one of its mods is gone and Abenhakan is the only mod of the team who is still there (and 5 contributors). I hope that they will shoot an update in order to explain the current situation. They aren't dead yet and that's quite good news!
The bad news is that the Romanian team struggles a lot - they are still active, but they do only little work due to their communication problems (a problem that they have to solve first). Yiddish stopped completely and they haven't done anything for 3.5 months right now, that's disappointing.
I just hope that those teams can regroup successfully and boost their trees like the Polish team did some months ago =)
Greek team also works constantly every week. A little less sentences translated per week than Hungarian team but it's also more than just a few sentences! There has been only one week over the past 6 months where the team didn't translate a sentence (but they may have done other things during the said week, this we can't see).
Excelente. Esas son maravillosas noticias. Me siento aliviado. Gracias Jrikhal. Eres muy amable. :D
Thanks to MultiLinguAlex too, by the way.
Where are you finding the incubator historical data? I don't have a source for that right now.
You have to be a course contributor/course moderator/member of the staff to see that.
I applied three times in order to help advance the Hungarian course. Never got an answer. The funny thing is that I even have a degree in teaching Hungarian as a foreign language.
Maybe you could try an contact the course Moderator and ask him to take a look at your application(s). Good Luck :)
@Andrew-Macdonald, @proinsias123, @MultiLinguAlex: I speak both Hungarian and Romanian, I know both teams know of my existence, but they are NOT reaching out for help.
Congrats, Welsh & Guarani! I'm hoping Finnish will only be shortly behind :)
It won't make grammatical sense, but soon we'll be abbreviating that to Alf-Malf. ;)
And we'll write stories about a mythical creature named Alf Malf who loves hearing the Finnish language and if you speak Finnish to it, it might give you a magical dictionary. Alf also likes lingots, therefore giving lingots to someone is a kind of a tribute to Alf.
No worries, thanks for keeping us posted each week!!! And, with all the awesome news I've seen around the incubator this week, no wonder if it takes you a bit longer!!
Yes, there's lot of awesome news to share, a lot of great courses that have got started.
However, the news that comes next is not you all wanted to hear - Today has been one of those days when I have been busy from 4:00 am to midnight without a break :(, so I will have to delay this week's WIU by more than 24 hours. Please expect to see it by 8:00 pm PST on Monday.
The good news is that I was able to take a snapshot of course progress at the regular time so the time period covered will remain as 7 days.
jitengore WIU "hear, hear!" Team Hindi, we "cheer!" Team Welsh & Guarani "appear!" Team Vietnamese "endear!" <3 Team Russian, we are "near!"
Finally a Welsh Course :D ! And go for it Catalan team, but let me at least finish my spanish tree first :P !
Catalan will be a good reinforcement of your Spanish once you are done.
The Catalan team is amazing! +8% in one week! I hope some of the other teams can be like this too.
Dear Team Hindi,
What's been happening? You got off to such a good start, but since then it's been all 1s and 0s :( Ordinarily I wouldn't complain, but I'm going to India in January and so I'm selfishly wanting to have my tree finished by then!
P.S: As a side note, I'm VERY excited about Guarani... Is this Duolingo's first indigenous language from countries with a widespread colonial one? (Actually no, I realised that would be Irish... but still, the first from the Tupian language family!)
I imagine they are doing a ton of planning, they did request a blank template.
If they truly think that they can finish by the end of the year, that means that they will have to average 7% completion each week. They must be confident that things are going to pick up with their goal approaching so quickly.
Well, remember the completion date is automated, it has nothing to do with the team of contributors, and only takes into account how much of the current tree has been completed. Since Hindi are starting from scratch, as I understand it, the 'estimated date for beta' as listed on the incubator is more than usually fictional, too ;)
He's not talking about the automated date, he's talking about their own estimated date that they give in every update.
Hey Jiten, just a couple of quick errors I noticed.
1) there are two "can"s in the update about the Welsh course when I think you meant to say "You can get a fair sense..." 2) French for Italian has graduated TO Beta (phase 2) while Italian for French has graduated FROM Beta (phase 3) 3) You forgot to highlight the leader extraordinaire: Spanish for Chinese at 13 percent.
Thanks again for all your work
Thanks, Stephen, updated my post. Also, added the pictures for the third segment of my travel.
There's a typo under "1000 days": "and experience" should be "an experience"
Finnish-where-are-you, indeed. :P Still, I'm very excited for Welsh, and it looks like we'll have a few more graduating courses in the coming weeks. Yaay!
And thanks for the photos, but...now my wanderlust is acting up. -__-
I see a pathern. 2 course got into Beta and Phase 3. and as soon as that happend Welsh and Guarani got into the incubator. so maybe when the next course get into Beta or Phase 3 we could be able to see Finnish or Latin :D
It doesn't seem to be any such pattern (when you look at the Incub history).
Just two examples :
- between 2015-05-21 and 2015-06-14, 3 courses reached beta and 3 went out of beta when during the same period only one course (Hindi for English speakers) was added to the incub.
- between 2015-02-04 and 2015-03-04, 0 courses reached beta and 0 went out of beta when during the same period the 5 courses (Yiddish for English, Greek for English, French for Chinese, Spanish for Chinese and Swedish for Russian) were introduced into the incub.
But i can see that 6 courses was added and 6 course reached into and out of beta so i think Duoling keep a specific number of Course in Phase 1.
Duoling keep a specific number of Course in Phase 1.
If it was that we have to compare the number of courses entering Phase 1 and the number going to beta (not the one going ouf of beta, no influence on the number being at a given moment in Phase 1). So it'd be 6 into vs. 3 out.
But anyway, it's not over the same period of time the two examples I gave.
If we want to make such evaluation of number of courses in Phase 1 being or not constant, we'd have to compare over the same period of time to have a correct net number of courses entering/goint out of Phase 1. And between the two periods above (so during 2015-03-05 -> 2015-05-20):
- 4 courses were added in Phase1
- 2 entered Phase 2
So over the period 2015-02-04 -> 2015-06-14, it's 10 courses entering Phase 1 and 5 going out of beta. So the number of courses in beta is not maintain contant.
It can also simply be seen by comparing the stats of average number of days after there is a course entering a given phase :
- every 11 days, in average, a new course is added to the incub
- every 18 days, in average, a course go out of Phase 1.
So definitely, the number of courses in Phase 1 is slowly increasing. Approximately, every month 3 courses enter Phase 1 and 2 (others) go out of it. So, roughly, in average, the number of course in Phase 1 increase by one every month.
Well sometimes one course enters beta and three months after an other course enters beta. Other Times it is 3 courses entering beta at the same time in a short period (Norwegian, Esperanto and Ukrainian)
That's why one has to look at the average (over all time), cf. the end of my 2nd answer to FingerDatPat, and not at local (in time) behaviour. In order to hope detecting some kind of pattern. And, in this case, the average behaviour is not to keep a constant number of course in Phase 1 but to (in average) adding 3 courses there per months when (independently) 2of the courses there go out of it during the same period.
If you manage to release the Hindi course a few days early on December 29 it would make for a very nice birthday present :)
Still anxiously awaiting for the English to Greek course to come out! Do we have a better idea of when that would be? Last I checked it was Feb. of next year.
the estimated launch date said that? You know those dates, especially this far out, are almost entirely meaningless, yes?
Yeah I know, that's why I keep checking...also to make sure it's not abandoned.
Wow, what an exciting week for the French/Italian teams!! Congrats and great work!
Maya and now Guarani.
I don't see Maya in the Incubator (even less arrived before Guarani in the Incub), has a (precise) date be announced?
The Mayan flag has been added into Duo's database around 8 months ago and Luis mentioned 2 months ago for Maya to be added "in the next8 months" in an/some interview(s) but as often on Duo (and programmation), announced (vague) dates can rarely be respected. So I wouldn't be surprised if Maya arrive in one year and/or if Quechua or any other lanuague is added before than Maya. ;)
Will Quechua be far behind?
It'll certainly follow, but short after or not... nobody can say except Duo that can say if they want to add it shortly after to the incub (but they very rarely make any such announcement, the one about Maya is quite an exception) and even if they say it, it still depends on them finding volunteers.
> I don't see Maya in the incubator . .
No, but as you say, Luis von Ahn mentioned it in July; noting that "para mi es un idioma muy importante," and he is the boss.
. . . I don't know about certainly follow, but I sure hope Quechua will come along. And meanwhile there's plenty already available here to stay busy with, that's for sure.
I wonder what the chances of getting a Latin for English speakers course is? That would be cool.
Also, although they probably wouldn't be as in demand as Latin, I think it would be quite cool to see courses for Old English (Anglo–Saxon, such as used in Beowulf) and Middle English (such as Chaucer used) for English speakers.
Luis himself (CEO of Duolingo) said in an interview months ago that Latin will definitely and eventually come!
Is there any hope for the course "German for French " to progress toward beta? I've been waiting and hoping for weeks, and am just feeling a tad afraid that it might have been abandoned or encountered insurmountable (technical?) problems. Is there anything a user can do to help?
The team does work every week and, for the past 23 weeks (except one during those 23), does more work than the average work done by teams in Phase 1 (and before those 23 weeks they were working more or less the same than the average work or more, never far less than the average).
As they stated in their Incubator's status page, they have issue with the image exercises (and thus need Duo staff work on it):
On a quelques petits ennuis avec des images requis pour le cours. On fait tout notre possible pour fixer le problème, mais par conséquent, il faut que vous patientiez encore un peu. Désolé!
N.B.: I'm waiting for it too. ;)
Thank you very much for your swift answer. I'll cross my fingers for the problems to be solved soon.
Is there anything a user can do to help? Unfortunately not, but I'll ask them how the situation exactly is. Edit: No news.
Thank you for checking in with the team. Please tell them that we users are very grateful for all the work and time they put into the course.