Duolingo is the most popular way to learn languages in the world. Best of all, it's 100% free!

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo

Heart refill: a surprise for me

olimo
  • 22
  • 22
  • 20
  • 19
  • 10
  • 9
  • 8
  • 8
  • 7

Today, I bought a heart refill for the first time. I was curious to see how it works, and wanted to use it for untimed practice if I lose all my hearts.

I saw "Use the heart refill" button every time I lost a heart but didn't use it: what if I manage to complete the session without the refill?

What a surprise it was when I lost all my attempts, checked the correct answer and realized that the option to refill just was not there >_<

So, it seems that I had to refill my hearts in advance, before I made my last mistake.

I'm posting this with two purposes:

  • I would like to see an explanation from the team why it is made like this. Is there any reason I fail to see?

  • I want to warn those of you who has never used the heart refill and want to try it.

No big deal actually, but I'm a little disappointed.

4 years ago

24 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/ssurprize
ssurprize
  • 23
  • 15
  • 9
  • 5

The three hearts allow me to make three mistakes, and on the fourth the Owl starts crying. Correct? I have a heart refill stand-by, and if I lose the three hearts, if I'm not sure I know the question, in order not to risk it, I use the heart refill, so I get one more heart to lose (one more mistake to make).

But now with the half hearts I'm not sure yet what happens if you make a mistake at half-a-heart. Does the owl start crying? Should you use the heart refill in hafl-a-heart?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lenkvist
Lenkvist
  • 24
  • 22
  • 17
  • 14
  • 13
  • 12
  • 12
  • 11
  • 11
  • 7
  • 7

If you are on half a heart, losing another one means that you'll have -0.5 heart. You'll fail a lesson as soon as the amount of hearts turns negative (you won't get a chance to fix a mistake either). Whether you use a refill or not is up to you. At the end of a lesson, half hearts are counted as full which means that you still get an extra coin when you finish a lesson with half a heart.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KTKee-EnglishEng
KTKee-EnglishEng
  • 25
  • 11
  • 8
  • 7
  • 6
  • 6
  • 3
  • 3
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2

Owls crying? Half a heart? What course is this, I've never seen these things!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ssurprize
ssurprize
  • 23
  • 15
  • 9
  • 5

The system and graphics have changed since then. At that time, it was allowed to correct your mistakes and you gained a half heart back.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KTKee-EnglishEng
KTKee-EnglishEng
  • 25
  • 11
  • 8
  • 7
  • 6
  • 6
  • 3
  • 3
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2
  • 2

Ah, thanks.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
olimo
  • 22
  • 22
  • 20
  • 19
  • 10
  • 9
  • 8
  • 8
  • 7

Update: I made 3 mistakes on purpose to have a closer look at the system, and indeed, after that I had 0 hearts and could continue until I made the fatal fourth mistake. This still does not mean I definitely need that refill: maybe I can answer the remaining questions without mistakes?

I'm not a gamer, so I was just sure that the refill is available as a last chance after you fail. Seems that this option requires an instruction for people like me :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lenkvist
Lenkvist
  • 24
  • 22
  • 17
  • 14
  • 13
  • 12
  • 12
  • 11
  • 11
  • 7
  • 7

Small language comment: it's better to say that you don't play video games as the word "gamer" is used by people who draw their identity from playing video games. I read every day, but I don't call myself a "reader" nor am I part of a "reading community" that stands up for "the rights of readers everywhere" (there are actually people who talk like that about playing video games). I know most people are not aware of this as it is generally seen as a positive thing to be part of a group, but people should be careful about labelling themselves or others as labels may work like stereotypes that limit thinking about who people really are.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
olimo
  • 22
  • 22
  • 20
  • 19
  • 10
  • 9
  • 8
  • 8
  • 7

Thanks a lot, this is really interesting! I appreciate comments about my English.

In fact, we borrowed exactly this word (gamer) into Russian and use it for people who play video games more often than once in a while. By the way, the phrase "video games" may also be source of language mistakes for Russians because we usually say just "games" or "computer games". I believe I had to google "video games" once because I was not sure if it was the same as "computer games" or something else more connected with video players or movies, etc.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
Usagiboy7
Mod
  • 25
  • 17
  • 14
  • 9
  • 6
  • 5
  • 4
  • 4
  • 3
  • 2
  • 15

I have sat with no original hearts left, and then been able to use my refill heart. It can only be used once. But, since you didn't use it, maybe you encountered a glitch?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
olimo
  • 22
  • 22
  • 20
  • 19
  • 10
  • 9
  • 8
  • 8
  • 7

So, you lost all your hearts, saw the crying owl and then used your refill to continue?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
Usagiboy7
Mod
  • 25
  • 17
  • 14
  • 9
  • 6
  • 5
  • 4
  • 4
  • 3
  • 2
  • 15

No, I had to use it before the owl cried.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
olimo
  • 22
  • 22
  • 20
  • 19
  • 10
  • 9
  • 8
  • 8
  • 7

That's what I cannot understand. If I have one heart, I can probably manage to complete the session without a refill, so why risk wasting it? But if I do make a mistake, I lose the last heart, owl cries and the opportunity to refill is lost.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
Usagiboy7
Mod
  • 25
  • 17
  • 14
  • 9
  • 6
  • 5
  • 4
  • 4
  • 3
  • 2
  • 15

When I first started, if I used the heart refill, but didn't end up needing it, I didn't lose it. I could use it the next time. Then, somewhere along the way, it stopped letting me do that. :P

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
Dessamator
  • 25
  • 14
  • 13
  • 13

It is simple, you may want to save the heart until you need it. Like a potion in a game, rather than use it immediately and lose it at the end of the lesson. This is because you may actually finish a lesson or a skill without needing it, and it would be a waste to use it immediately.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
Usagiboy7
Mod
  • 25
  • 17
  • 14
  • 9
  • 6
  • 5
  • 4
  • 4
  • 3
  • 2
  • 15

Which makes sense. I never used it early anyway. But, different people have different impulses.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
olimo
  • 22
  • 22
  • 20
  • 19
  • 10
  • 9
  • 8
  • 8
  • 7

I thought exactly like this. When I actually needed the refill - i.e. when I made the last mistake - the option to refill disappeared. That's why I'm surprised.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
Dessamator
  • 25
  • 14
  • 13
  • 13

Well, I suppose, you can think of it as a parachute, you can walk around all day with it, and it is merely strings and cloth in a bag. But if you jump off a cliff without putting it on properly, you may have an unfortunate fate. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
olimo
  • 22
  • 22
  • 20
  • 19
  • 10
  • 9
  • 8
  • 8
  • 7

But if I put the parachute on properly and don't jump from the cliff, it won't be wasted, right? I can still take it off in the evening and put it on another day.

With the heart refill (as far as I understand), if I refill when I lose the last heart, I'll have one heart, and if I don't make a mistake (i.e. don't "jump from the cliff"), I'll just end the session with one heart and get one point for it. After that I'll have to buy another refill if I want to have it again, right? So there is a risk of wasting the refill (or trading it for one skill point without really needing it).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lenkvist
Lenkvist
  • 24
  • 22
  • 17
  • 14
  • 13
  • 12
  • 12
  • 11
  • 11
  • 7
  • 7

I think it gives you full hearts, not just one.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
olimo
  • 22
  • 22
  • 20
  • 19
  • 10
  • 9
  • 8
  • 8
  • 7

I've just tried it: it gives you one heart, so you can make one additional mistake before you fail.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lenkvist
Lenkvist
  • 24
  • 22
  • 17
  • 14
  • 13
  • 12
  • 12
  • 11
  • 11
  • 7
  • 7

You are right olimo, I hadn't tested it myself yet. I misinterpreted a comment by somebody else.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
Dessamator
  • 25
  • 14
  • 13
  • 13

Indeed, unless it is a one time parachute (http://www.airborne-sys.com/pages/view/2k1t). I think a better analogy would be an immunization vaccine. If you think you may get sick (lose the lesson) you use it. The effects of the vaccine (heart) wear off when the lesson ends , so one will need to buy another item to protect oneself from the illness (or folly) once again.

To answer your two questions :

1) Yes, if you use it, regardless of whether you pass the lesson with full hearts or not, you'll never get it back; 2) Yes, you'll have to buy another one when the lesson ends; 3) Yes, there is that risk of always losing it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
olimo
  • 22
  • 22
  • 20
  • 19
  • 10
  • 9
  • 8
  • 8
  • 7

Yeah, a vaccine is a perfect analogy. The problem is that it is not explained beforehand if the refill is a vaccine or a medicine to cure you when you already got sick ;-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/detharon
detharon
  • 20
  • 10
  • 7
  • 37

Perhaps that's why it is called a "health refill" and not "revival potion" or such, if we're to use a computer game nomenclature. It allows to regain a missing hearth, just that, and to me that's the logical and expected behavior.

4 years ago