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I need help of native English speaker

What is correct:

1) in my pencil case are a rubber, a pencil and a ruler or 2) in my pencil case is a rubber, a pencil and a ruler. 3) in my pencil case are a rubber, a pencil and some scissors.

Please help us, because I need an answer for my little daughter.

Thank you!

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Vor 2 Jahren
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https://www.duolingo.com/Tamuna10
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I think the best solution would be "In my pencil case there are a rubber, a pencil and a ruler", or "There are a rubber, a pencil and a ruler in my pencil case", although, I'm not a native speaker so let's see what others will say. :)

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https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl
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The first one is okay, but your second sentence sounds more natural. :)

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https://www.duolingo.com/Seyffer1

thank you!!

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https://www.duolingo.com/Neptunium
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"In my pencil case are a rubber, a pencil and a ruler" is the correct option, however this sounds very awkward in modern English: outside of questions, verb inversion usually sounds very poetic and old fashioned in English.

I'm sure many native speakers would be tempted to say "In my pencil case is a rubber, pencil and a ruler" simply because we're not used to dealing with inverted sentences, and our intuition tells us that we should use "is" after "pencil case" because that's what we'd use in 'normal' sentences, but of course that's not correct.

The most natural and way to say it would be to use "There are..."; but even then native speakers will abbreviate that to "There's...". This isn't technically correct, but it's probably the most widely used.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Ry_Dawg
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I think others have covered this pretty well. To me though, using the word "are" doesn't sound natural. I would either say:

"In my pencil case is a rubber, a pencil and a ruler."

or

"In my pencil case are rubbers, pencils and rulers."

I'm not sure if it's grammatically correct but sentence 2 sounds the most natural.

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https://www.duolingo.com/KingCT
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Number 2, because 1 and 3 incorrectly use 'are' instead of 'is'.

In my opinion it sounds more natural to say: "I've got a rubber, a pencil and a ruler in my pencil case".

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https://www.duolingo.com/Seyffer1

thank you!

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https://www.duolingo.com/maxvonklappen

Number 1 is correct. Use "are" because you're naming several items in the pencil case. Number 2 using "is" is wrong for the same reason. Number 3. "Some scissors" is a bit awkward. "a pair of" scissors sounds more natural. Someone else mentioned the use of rubber in England and eraser in the US. The use of rubber in the US will elicit laughter as rubber is a common term for a condom. Rubbers is also used for protective coverings for shoes - so you don't get your shoes wet in the rain.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Seyffer1

Thank you for this explanation. I have the same opinion, but I was not sure.

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https://www.duolingo.com/maxvonklappen

This is the (Grammar Bible) rule that I follow: Compound subjects are composed of several nouns or pronouns connected by and.....Subjects connected by and almost always form a plural subject and demand a plural verb. There are two exceptions to this rule. The first occurs when a seemingly compound and plural subject comes to be regarded as singular through popular usage. (For example: Bacon and eggs is my favorite breakfast.) The other exception occurs when subjects connected by and describe a single person or thing. (For example: The creator and champion of the sport is injured.) But as you can see from these various posts, opinions differ depending on what one is accustomed to hearing. When in doubt I try to follow published rules. Good luck!

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https://www.duolingo.com/Seyffer1

Thank you! I have the same opinion now. I´ve never heard about compound subjects but it sounds logical.

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https://www.duolingo.com/closethatdoor

No one would say "a pair of scissors" but "some scissors" in your example. Sorry to disagree, but maybe it's my big city way of expressing this. That's the beauty of English in that there are so many different regional ways of express the same thing.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Carrie008
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In the UK we would say 'a pair of scissors'

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https://www.duolingo.com/closethatdoor

Hi Carrie, it's so interesting how many factors influence our language. I'm born & bred English (many generations UK) and I would, in my youth, probably have said a pair but now where I live we do say "some scissors". If I was asking someone if they had some I might ask for a pair of, some or any scissors. "A pair of" is bang on correct but not necessarily colloquial in my neck of the woods. No handbags for the Scissor Sisters! Lol. I do still call out "Thank you, driver" as I exit the bus which makes me almost unique in my city but I'm hopeful that it'll catch on...

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https://www.duolingo.com/Carrie008
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I also call out thank you to the bus driver, but not many people do in the city :-)

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https://www.duolingo.com/Seyffer1

THANK YOU FOR THE HELP

I think, "are" is the correct form.

Have a look at Neptunium and sueefo. There are two clear explanations. I found some statements like this in the internet.

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https://www.duolingo.com/jester8113

In my pencil case is an eraser, a pencil, and a ruler. In my pencil case is a rubber, a pencil and a ruler.

Use "eraser" for American English, "rubber" for British English.

Use "is" for singular as you are referring to a single pencil case.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Seyffer1

I have to use is even in the following example: In my pencil case there is some pencils, a pair of scissors ... . Is this correct?

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https://www.duolingo.com/jester8113

That doesn't sound right. I think I need to retract my previous example, The article is/are depends on the first item in your list. In my pencil case are some pencils, a pair or scissors...

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https://www.duolingo.com/Seyffer1

Are you a German native speaker?

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https://www.duolingo.com/jester8113

No, learning German. I am native a English speaker.

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https://www.duolingo.com/sueefo

Seyffer1-Your first example about the pig and the cow is correct. If you replace "a pig and a cow" with a pronoun it would have to be "they." Now take the second example and move some things around. (And I'm from the U.S. so I'll say "eraser.") "An eraser, a pencil and a ruler are in my pencil case." "They are in my pencil case." These are known as compound subjects and sometimes they can be tricky.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Seyffer1

O.K., i try it in English. I found a grammar rule. If there is a connection with "and" I will use "are". It doesn´t matter, if it´s singular. The example was: a pig and a cow are jumping over the moon. Is this correct? Is it possible to transfer it to example 1: in my pencil case are a rubber, a pencil and a ruler?

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Vor 2 Jahren

https://www.duolingo.com/Seyffer1

thanks for the help!

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https://www.duolingo.com/EDavis2323

In my pencil case there are a rubber, a pencil and a ruler. that's the correct way tamuna10

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https://www.duolingo.com/iheartbieber
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A real native speaker here. The correct answer is number 2. Even though number three and one agree have subject-verb agreement, if you say it, people will know that you aren't a native speaker. I don't think English speakers really understand grammar, instead they will just choose "what sounds nice." That's why we always do the "grammatically wrong" choice whenever we say stuff like "Me and my brother" and "My brother and I"; We don't think of it as in "I is used as the subject" which is the grammatically correct way, rather, we pay attention to the order of these words, and choose which sounds nicer.

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https://www.duolingo.com/iheartbieber
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The way I would say it would be:

"There's an eraser, a pencil and a ruler in my pencil case."

Note that it is not "ARE"

If you really wanted to, you could use "ARE" if you changed the word order to

"An eraser, a pencil and a ruler are in my pencil case." like what sueefo said.

If you are adding scissors in, however, this would sound OK to me:

"There are some scissors, an eraser and a ruler in my pencil case."

You could also avoid the is/are thing by saying

"I have an eraser, a pencil and a ruler in my pencil case."

I'm surprised the top answers are the wrong answers. Maybe it's because I'm from the US, (which is why I say "eraser") so it might be different in the UK or wherever.

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https://www.duolingo.com/gjnelson
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Late to the game, but...

For some real fun, ask if you should put a comma between "pencil" and "and". :)

As hashed out by earlier posters, (1) is technically correct, particularly for an assignment in an English class, but (2), even though technically incorrect, is probably more likely to be actually said by an English speaker.

Pretty much the equivalent of "Es sind".

FWIW, as a 50-something native speaker of American English, I have never used the phrase "some scissors" in my life.. It's always been "a pair of scissors", joining the stupidity of "a pair of pants" and "a pair of glasses".

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https://www.duolingo.com/revengedoctor21

I am also late to the party, but I hope to help you understand what natural speakers would say while not necessarily correct grammar. All of your sentences given sound wrong, mainly due to word order and choice (and using the word rubber lol). The second sentence sounds like what a native speaker would say.

People are saying to use there are because multiple items are listed, however, the items listed are not plural. This is what makes this sentence sound wrong. Sentence one would be improved by making the first item listed a plural

From 1) in my pencil case are a rubber, a pencil and a ruler To 1) In my pencil case are rubbers/erasers, pencils and a ruler. or There are erasers, pencils and a ruler in my pencil case.

Sentence two sounds like an incomplete sentence. Instead add 'I have' or 'Within'

From 2) in my pencil case is a rubber, a pencil and a ruler. To 2) 2) In my pencil case I have an eraser, a pencil, and a ruler. OR Within my pencil case is a(n) eraser/rubber, a pencil and a ruler.

From 3) in my pencil case are a rubber, a pencil and some scissors. To 3) (same as above) In my pencil case there are erasers, pencils and a pair of scissors.

IF you ONLY want to communicate you have ONE pencil and ONE eraser, and ONE ruler option two is the correct way to communicate that.

To 2) In my pencil case I have an eraser, a pencil, and a ruler. OR Within my pencil case is a(n) eraser/rubber, a pencil and a ruler.

You can also change the word order and say 2) I have in my pencil case a(n) eraser/rubber, a pencil, and a ruler

I'm not an expert on grammar or anything, but that's how a native where I'm from would say it.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Seyffer1

thank you!!!!

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