https://www.duolingo.com/SvenHaers

I'm missing something in the Russian course...

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Why is there no 'cyrillic keyboard' being displayed to enter special characters? I know you can switch to a latin-written version for it, but I would like to start using the right alphabet from the get-go to learn the letters while I go along. The Spanish course already displays the special characters for when you don't know how to type them, seems like a small stretch..?

3 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Shady_arc
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If you want ot type as usual, install Russian into your system with a normal ЙЦУКЕН-keyboard or a phonetic keyboard (downloadable here, for example)

I switch between languages using Shift + Alt. You may choose a different shortcut.

Basically, that's what a Russian user has on their PC.

I also heard Google Input Tools have somehting to offer you.

P.S. On Mac it is a bit different. The languages are installed in Keyboard settings in your System Preferences. And the default shortcut is ⌘ + Space. At least, that's what I had.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zzzzz...
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I am going to ask a really stupid question - please forgive my ignorance. Where is Shift?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Second from the bottom in this picture. Left side. Edit, there is one on the right side as well.

:) shift key

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zzzzz...
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My thanks to both of you. My keyboard only has an arrow on those keys.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shady_arc
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I heard these keys are called different nanes in different languages. So it is good you asked what key exactly we mean:) there is a good chance this button is not a Shift where you live.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gijira

your blank shift key is better than the ugly text.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Odd. I'm glad you asked then.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vytah
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Probably a German keyboard:

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LucaDhagat0

lol

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/savourtardis
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If you have a regular windows keyboard, there are two shift keys, under Caps Lock and enter. It's the key you use to make uppercase letters ;)

ETA: my own Windows 8 PC uses the default shortcut Windows key + space bar. Although, as I have a German keyboard installed as well, I should try to find the specific shortcuts because it makes switching back to Russian harder and I can't punctuate effectively and keep making specific tzpos with the wrong kezboard. (German is QWERTZ)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SvenHaers
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That doesn't help a whole lot since I don't have a physical cyrillic keyboard available. To be able to type in Russian I would have to bind them to my latin keys (or using a keyboard like you describe) and memorize where they all went...

No, even though you would need (the better part of) a full on-screen keyboard to do this, I think that would, in the end, work best to do this course.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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memorize where they all went...

I bought some see-through stickers which I put on the keys that don't match my physical keyboard. But I'm using the phonetic keyboard setup Shady_arc mentioned. With a real Russian setup, the differences would be much bigger.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KonradToth
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I use my phone for learning languages such as russian or korean. Much simpler.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pedro771
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Unfortunately the ENG-RUS course is not yet supported on the telephone version of Duo.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Oesterreich7
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Although the Russian for English speakers course is not available on the Duolingo App yet. You are still able to access the course by accessing the Duolingo website via web-browser on a smartphone. I hope this helped.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SiblingCreature

Yeah but that version of the site lacks discussion thread and report links. :-( (or at least I couldn't find them)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KonradToth
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I use google not the app :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Komeo
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Windows has an "on-screen keyboard". So you can see the position of each letter and type on your keyboard OR type with your mouse by clicking on the letters on screen.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/leonig01
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If you are running Windows OS - you can always add Russian as another input language, and shift it with "alt+shift". I know Linux supports it as well, and it would be very strange if Mac didn't (though haven't validated it myself).

Another option would be using a "russian virtual keyboard" (google these words and pick anything you like) in a separate tab. A bit of a "copy-paste" mess, but does the job.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/trofimovanadi
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It would be nice if duolingo russian could add a pop up russian cyrllic keyboard or something like that.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SvenHaers
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Yes! That's exactly what I think would help a lot!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/filipmc
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It might be that the duoLingo development team does not want to put the effort into recreating something that many operating systems already have; that might seem like a waste of duplicate effort to them.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Norrius
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many operating systems

Well, basically all of them, find me a major OS where you can't type in Cyrillic!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/remoonline
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That's feasible where you have a small result set like the accented letters (and ñ) in Spanish. It may not work when the complete set of alphabets are more or less different.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Y.D247
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try adding the keyboard to your MAC/PC, that way you'll get to memorize the real thing :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mandarkhahaha

unfortunately with this option, when you need to translate into english you need to switch back to the english keyboard. I started doing this and it is becoming a hassle.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shady_arc
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Er... there is a shortcut for that. No one switches languyages using the language bar, of course.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Norrius
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Uhm, how do you think actual Russians type? We have two keyboard layouts!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Y.D247
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you'll get used to it

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/worstquestions
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By default shift and control at the same time switches keyboard language, though can be changed to whatever you want. It takes under a second.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mandarkhahaha

What about mac?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shady_arc
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⌘ + Space is what I had.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andro0
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mine is shift+command+space

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/leonig01
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One gets used to it. If that may offer any consolation - I have 3 different keyboards (english, hebrew, russian) and switch constantly :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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30 odd letters is not really the same as ñ and friends.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TMRPS
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My Mac uses cmd+space, but control+space is also very common. If it happens that your Spotlight opens, instead of switching languages, you should open system preferences > Language and text > shortcuts > spotlight > uncheck the boxes.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BrookeLorren
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Since there are so many letters that are different, it would be difficult to put them all on the screen (and would take a while with your mouse).

The phonetic Russian keyboard isn't that hard to learn, although I have the йцукен keyboard installed. It takes a while to learn (and I just found out how to type a question mark today myself) but it's worth learning how to type on one of these. You'll get faster after the first few lessons.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pedro771
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You are right, but it is such a pain to learn the hidden cyrillic characters on a latin keyboard - at least for me.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cherub721
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This is a good add on for a phonetic keyboard that you can toggle on or off with the F2 button http://www.benya.com/transliterator/

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TAHEP

Why don't you use on-screen-keyboard which is installed in all windows versions as default, it is way more easy to type, you can switch the languages as Shady_arc mentioned by using Shift + Alt.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SvenHaers
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Well one reason that might be construed as being a very legitimate one is that I don't use Windows. ;-)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shady_arc
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The advice depends solely on what you use. Any sane modern OS has an option of having a Russian keyboard — it is among the top-10 most spoken native languages in the world, after all. If Duolingo implemented a keyboard... would be even a bit silly, given that it is 2015 now, not 1999.

I know what you should do on Mac, Windows or iPad, however, if you have nothing of these... Err... I'll have to google that same as you. What about Google Input tools, by the way?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sannehoo
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I'm duolingo-ing on my tablet and I installed a russian keyboard. Works like a charm and it is very easy to switch back to the english keyboard. Recommended! (But I'm still eagerly awaiting russian in the android app. :-) )

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ddbeachgirl
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I am going to try this keyboard cover: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NSYDPIY?psc=1 the sad part is that they are predicting it will take a month to ship. I don't want to commit to putting stickers over my keys. In the meantime I put together a cheat sheet to refer to.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SiblingCreature

I rather suspect that if you are studying Russian every day in the meantime then by the time it arrives you will no longer need it. ;-)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ddbeachgirl
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Yes! I hope you are right :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/alfonsofernan

I started using a standard "ЙЦУКЕН" keyboard layout for the first time for this Russian course a couple of days ago, without stickers, but with a key map I refer to when I'm lost. By the end of day 1 I stopped referring to the map, having figured out more or less where every letter is, as of now I have a ~80% hit rate, which means writing anything is still a cumbersome backspace-fest, but I expect that in a couple of days I'll be able to hit every time. It's a slight pain but I figure it's worth it to develop "good habits".

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SiblingCreature

I decided to go with the Russian Phonetic ЯВЕРТЫ layout. It's not a bad mapping overall. For words that are similar to the English it's almost but not quite entirely unlike typing in English. ;-) If I want to type медик for example, I switch to the Russian keyboard, and type "medik" There are some oddities of course. My Russian surname ends in в, but the Anglicised version I've grown up with ends in v, so typing it as 'w' feels a bit odd. :-) But with no 1:1 phonetic mapping some oddities like that are to be expected.

That said, I printed out a copy of the layout that I keep propped up beside my monitor though, which makes finding the right character when it's not where I expected it somewhat easier. :-)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Priscilla95-
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https://www.duolingo.com/Symji
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on Mac my shortcut is cmd+I. That way I can switch between the russian phonetic keyboard and US easy and fast.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andro0
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also shift+command+space

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stan_prinsen
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I set the cyrillic keyboard as a second keyboard on my PC. If you work with windows you can do this in the taskbar. The shortcut for me is Ctrl + Shift to switch between the english and the russian keyboard. For now I have a picture next to google chrome on which I can see where the cyrillic letters are located on my keyboard. I'm planning on buying a cyrillic sticker set to replace this unpractical picture. For now it works just fine. Just needs some getting used to.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slogger
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You don't really need the stickers, although they would definitely be cool to have. A picture/ map of the keyboard was all I ever used, and my typing is just fine in Russian. Take Y.D247's advice to use a typing tutor. There are some available with English instructions. klavaro is a good, free one you can download, and there are plenty of others--ask, or just look around at the gazillion posts about it that are popping up this afternoon. :) Or use the method that worked for me, explained here.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stan_prinsen
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Thanks for the very helpful explanation!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slogger
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You're welcome. Best of success!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Y.D247
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this might be useful: http://sense-lang.org/typing/tutor/keyboardingRU.php

it's a bit boring but i find it worth it

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JordyBov
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I can't seem to find the Russian course on the Duolingo app. Has it been launched there yet?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Nope. It always takes a while before they turn up in the apps. They have to iron out the biggest problems first. It might take weeks or months, no one knows, since it depends on how many reports of oddities and missing translations they get per x number of users.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JordyBov
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When will the Russian course be available on mobile?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cherub721
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It will happen when it goes below a certain number of reports per day or per lesson.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ddbeachgirl
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For Mac users: I found the Russian Keyboard in system preferences/keyboard. Hit + to add a keyboard, then scroll down to Russian and add it, then the "Russian - Phonetic" is one of the choices. Once that is selected, I noticed that there was a little US flag icon next to my wi-fi strength indicator. I clicked on it, then I was able to select the Russian flag and type with Russian characters. Now I just have to figure out where they are on the keyboard! No worries about getting stuck with the Russian keyboard, just click the flag and select your other keyboard(s).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shady_arc
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Better yet, switch them with a hotkey combination (e.g., ⌘ + Space) than by clicking the flag every time.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ddbeachgirl
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When i use that command on my mac, it opens the "spotlight" search. I think it can be fixed: https://support.apple.com/kb/PH11327?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ddbeachgirl
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The instructions were not exactly right, but i did get it to work. Switching with the ⌘ + Space is super easy now :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ultima770

I'm sure someone has commented on here about it, but you can order Cyrillic stickers to place on your keyboard.

http://masterrussian.com/ I thought had a link to but the said item. But try Amazon. It's cheap, the letters will not cover the Latin ones and it comes with instructions as to what keys to place the letters on.

1 year ago
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