https://www.duolingo.com/Denfisksson

How I feel learning Russian...

This is exactly my aspect when one of those 'listening' exercises come :) How about you? Are you having as much trouble as me?

я бабушка :D

3 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/WanderingMonk
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3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KevanSF
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So far the listening exercises are easier than for Danish!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TonyMintz
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I'm pretty sure anything's easier than listening to Danish!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/leonig01
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Honestly, it's not a big deal. Everything is easier than the Danish pronunciation :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/skaarup75
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Hvad i alverden mener du med det? :-)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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I only did a little Danish to see if one could do a progress test and still do a placement test after, and YIKES. I have renewed respect for anyone learning the language!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stuffradio
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I find it to be very similar to Swedish and Norwegian.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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Oh, definitely - if I hadn't done some Norwegian, I would have been even more hopelessly lost than I was. But the relationship between the written language and what I was hearing was baffling to me!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nerdator
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Native speaker opinion here (based on the sentences I've heard in the placement test): the voice is fine, so if you have difficulties, practise more. The voice is kind of flat and stereotypical and boring (although it is probably best for the students), but it definitely handles pronunciation much better than some of the synth voices I've heard here on Duo.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Loxiney
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I am a Slavic ;)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/akshan
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and we all are waiting for Polish course... ))))

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/slogger
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Listening is really hard at first. It would be even if the voice were a human voice, rather than a computer-generated one. This is true in any language. It will get better, just keep on trying!

я дедушка :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Psittacosis
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It's a real challenge, that's for sure. I thought German was hard when I first started over 1.5 years ago, but that's only because I never tried Russian....

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/leonig01
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That depends on your native language. If it is English - German would be easier. If you come from a Slavic background - Russian would be more intuitive.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sannehoo
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Ab-so-lute-ly! I don't hear the difference between о and а, and many other sounds are really hard to "translate" to йцукен etc, too. This is by far the hardest language I ever tried. It's still fun, though!

3 years ago

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As far as I know, о and а are pronounced exactly the same way when unstressed.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/YosefRowe
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^This. So, I took Russian last fall and I'm super terrible/rusty with it, but from what I remember, when o is in the syllable that is stressed, it is pronounced like you think an o would be pronounced. When it is preceding the stressed syllable, it is pronounced like the stressed a in Russian is. When it is in any other environment, I think, this is where I might be wrong, it is pronounced as a schwa (the a in about when said at normal speed and not emphasized.) Perfect example of this is the word moloko. It has all three pronunciations of the o in it. I think a is also a schwa sometimes, too.

Then some of the other vowels are pronounced differently depending on if they're stressed or not. I would definitely look around for some pronunciation material to help practice this outside of Duolingo. I forgot how in-depth the tips & notes section goes in on pronunciation and stress, it might be adequate, not sure, but it doesn't hurt to maybe youtube some stuff or pick up a cheap textbook or something maybe. If you know the international phonetic alphabet or do not mind looking up a key for it, check out the wikipedia article on Russian phonology. Definitely worth looking into.

TL;DR Most of the Russian vowels, if not all, change pronunciation based on if they're stressed or not.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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I think it's a practice thing. As a non native, formerly fluent speaker, the voice isn't perfect, but most of the listening exercises it throws at me feel like freebies, with a few now and then that take a lot of repeats/listening slow. I honestly think it's a practice thing. New language, new alphabet, give yourself a break for not being fluent right off the bat, you'll get there!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gingerninja3148

Yes. That is also me trying to find the letters I want on the touchscreen Cyrillic keyboard on my laptop (I don't know their locations on a keyboard yet.)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/notdeadluna
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It's still easier to understand than my Russian workbook's listening exercises. Those were the worst.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlejandroC150367

I agree, I don't find it difficult to understand.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xaghtaersis
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I feel like a traveler traveling through an unknown county.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Misakachi
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I always feel this way when learning a language! :D

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/xaghtaersis
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It's a cool feeling. I love exploring!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vanessa.Stein

Yes. The voice is tough to understand for me too. With some of the words, I can't tell which syllable is stressed. You could try looking up the words in Google Translate or Forvo to see if they sound clearer for you. They have for me, at least.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/akshan
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I just tried some lessons to check it (to kill my curiosity), well, it sounds ok...

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/italianvonne
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Yes, a coupe of words I had to check on forvo. Definitely a difference in clarity. One I reported because there was enough of a difference. Another glitch I reported was in one sentence the bot was sounding the same words twice at the same time. Like if two people were saying the same word at the same time. It created an almost echo-like effect.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vanessa.Stein

Yeah, I noticed the echo one too! Thanks, I didn't realize you could report them. I'll keep that in mind. :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ryanford06
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If it was a native speaker I feel like it would be even harder to understand though.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aweese

I find that when its slowed down it is more difficult to understand than at the faster pace.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/patrickp90

I started learning Russian with Pimsleur, which is basically all audio, so listening is probably my best skill and I don't have too much of a problem with the listening exercises here. The hardest thing for me is writing in Cyrillic, followed closely by reading in Cyrillic.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/anitramwaju
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Cool, someone else here who started Russian with Pimsleur :-) (For me it was almost 10 years ago, so a lot of forgotten things…)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RagnarPostludium
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If anyone, who speaks english, german or spanish, wants to speak with native russian speaker - follow me. I think we can study together=)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CoalyBay

I speak english, learning German and just started Russian. ;P

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Misakachi
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Cool!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/magnusdavidson

I think its really great that the course is released! Thanks a lot to the team behind it! However, some parts of the listening is HARD :) Also I find the course a bit too strict on nailing the spelling really to the letter. I wonder if the course could become more relaxed on the spelling check and allow more of the "almost correct" type of check? My personal focus is primarily on listening+speaking, so I consider going for Pimsleur first, and then after that perhaps return for another round of spelling torture here at Duolingo :) ... и ы й ий ии е etc ... sound all so similar! :s short sentences are not a problem to write correctly.. but the long sentences really are hard to nail ... (plurals, definite forms, indefinite etc) phew!! :)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/anitramwaju
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If your focus is on listening and speaking, I indeed definitely advise you to begin with Pimsleur and return to Duolingo when you feel you begin to understand how Russian sound (because with Pimsleur alone you won't learn a lot of vocabulary and grammar before a long time).

A problem with Pimsleur is that at the beginning, you learn only very formal way of speaking (Вы, …) and must wait the second level (so after about 30 lessons) to begin using more informal sentences (Ты, …).

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Tamehagane21
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Haha, you tried French?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/toomath
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I would say that if I hadn't taken private russian lessons prior to this I would be struggling pretty mightily in those first few lessons. It's perfect for me - I know the grammar of the first section well, but my spelling is abysmal, and I can see it will really help me with that. Darned soft signs! Darn them!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Geniellamas

I find the audio easier to understand than the audio for my Russian workbook exercises.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mlynarova
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I like the voice - I think it sounds quite natural. But I am very happy about the "turtle" option as I sometimes have troubles hearing where one word ends and the next one begins.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sannehoo
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I could use something slower than a turtle. A snail? A sloth? A tree? ;-)

3 years ago

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Okay, I kind of love the idea of having a sloth button, I must confess ;)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AestheticPrawn7

I'm struggling also but I'm pushing though!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnneMiller262129

I am feeling today: This is one very difficult language. The word order messes me up constantly. My red bars on the app go away fast.

7 months ago
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