Yes, I heard from Russian friends that it's diminuitive of вода which means water. I don't know how to express diminuitive in English without sounding dumb (little water is not very satisfying) But if you speak German or Spanish it would be "Wässerchen" or "aguita" respectively (never heard aguita before, but to a native speaker of a languague with diminuitives it's usually instantly understood)
For one, you rarely say that rockets or spaceships have "motors", don't you? However, even here the usage differs.
In Russian, «двигатель»(engine) is a generic term for the thing that generates mechanical energy from other kinds of energy and actually moves something somewhere. This is why washing machines are not said to have them, because the do not go anywhere. For lifts, it is also uncommon. «Мотор» is not said in Russian about jet engines; on the other hand, a "motor" does not have to move stuff anywhere to deserve a name.
In English they are closer.
In Portuguese, the word "motor" is defined as anything that uses some kind of fuel (gasoline, electricity, wind, etc.) and transforms it's energy into mechanical energy, so a washing machine has a "motor" in Portuguese. Even a fridge has a "motor" in Portuguese and is the same as the car's or the truck's "motor" and a generator would have a "motor" inside it. But a jet aeroplane would have a "turbina", a helicopter would have a "rotor" and a rocket would have a "propulsor" even technically all of them being "motor".
Beforehand I would translate everything to engine...
Learning English in a Russian course hehehe
Thank you, Shady!
...and a gas motor would be an engine. If you put an engine in your rocket you can call it the rockets motor and if you put a motor in your car it would need gas unless of coarse it was an electric car then it would need batteries. The engine in an electric car is a motor which runs off batteries. I'd say in english they are pretty much interchangeable ;)
Also in the UK, "motor" can be used colloquially to refer to a vehicle - motorcycle, car, etc. So in this sentence, which did strike me as rather strange if it only refers to literal motors rather than to machines that contain motors, like motorbikes, I was wondering if in Russian one can refer to vehicles as motors, too.
Not as rarely as one might think. There are some common phrases where мотор perhaps would be used more frequently over двигатель by your average Ivan (and even more frequently by your average Masha).
У машины заглох мотор. — The car's engine stalled.
Сначала мне надо прогреть мотор. — First, I need to warm up the car.
I think motor can mean both a motorcycle or an engine,in Croatian for example we use it like that,although we do have another word for motorcycle (motocikl),but very few people say it,we say motor for either a motorcycle or engine.I'm thinking that's the case in Russian as well.
No, unfortunately, it is not. I've never heard a motorcycle being called мотор. In my childhood we used to call it мотик for short. Now, a motorcycle engine on the other hand is almost universally referred to as мотор. In fact, any 2-stroke internal combustion engine would likely be called that colloquially: the ones for boats, scooters, motorcycles, chainsaws, you name it.
interesting. we have something like that in Portuguese as well:
Motocicleta = Motorcycle
But we only say "moto" (in Protuguese we tend to remove the excess of consonants together, so when the words "motor" and "ciclo" were put together, we lost that "r", so the smaller form of motorcycle staid without R as well even though, we do have the word "motor" exactly the same as the Russian one)
I started Portuguese and just thought life is too short to learn it :P But for bycicle for example we would say bicikl/bicikla depending on the region ( note that ˝c˝ sounds like German ˝˝Z˝ or ˝ts˝ as in Tsar/Tsardom. I don't know if in English anyone at all says ˝automobile˝,our official word is automobil but people mostly just say ˝auto˝,while in Swedish they say ˝bil˝.
This kind of stuff always interests me
and again, you have "bicicleta" in portuguese for the "bi", meaning two and "ciclo/cicleta", meaning cycles or wheels.
car in Brazilian Portuguese could be "carro" or "automóvel" (not sure about it in Portugal) and frequently you would hear people saying just "auto" in my state (we have different dialects almost in each state or sometimes a region inside the state itself)
BTW, from what I've seen, after learning a good amount of Russian, get back learning Portuguese. It should be easier after it. We have a good amount of similarities and is way easier than the Italian I see you are learning as well hehehe
Actually i think Croatian as my first language is quite a blessing when learning new languages.For one,we've been influenced by many surrounding cultures,such as Italian,German/Austrian,Hungarian,even Turkish,especially here in part of Croatia where i live,Dalmatia.And then there's a direct relation with Slavic languages,which makes a huge part of Europe.
Learning English though opens so many doors,you wouldn't believe it,in combination with a Slavic language.I was waiting for Russian quite a while,so i just wanted to check it out a bit,i hope to get more committed to it when i have more time,and there's Swedish that i started and i can say i have a decent understanding now,but i wish to know it at least nearly as good as i do English.
I guess Portuguese doesn't have that many influence from surrounding cultures, but of course, you see a lot of resemblance with other Latin or Greek based languages. We have a somewhat big amount of Arabic influence as well and of course it is a lot similar to Spanish (I believe they were one language at the beginning) and in Brazil you have a big amount of influence from American languages such as Guarani and unfortunately a huge amount of influence from English and a bit of French (in Portugal they tend to use the Portuguese word for the object. For example, in Brazil the computer's mouse is called "mouse", while in Portugal it's called "rato", which literally means "mouse" or "rat" in Portuguese)
I am a native English speaker. Regarding the distinction between motor and engine, I think the word "motor" is more precise or specific than "engine". They can indeed be used interchangeably in a general way. But if I had to be specific, I would imagine that a motor could be part of an engine. I wouldn't imagine an engine being part of a motor. Or consider this: Google is a search engine, not a search motor. There may be "motors" that make up the engine. Or this: Locomotive engine versus locomotive motor. A locomotive engine is the main car that pulls the train. I would say that a motor could be part of that engine. Make sense?
I am not 100% sure since I am not into rocket production, but I believe the motor is considered a part of an engine in this case. You have terms like combustion engines but never *combustion motors. So in this case the motor would be part of the engine? I am extrapolating here but maybe in more specific engineering terms there is a difference between a motor and an engine but in more common use, they are more interchangeable possibly due to misunderstanding of how they work.
As an American engine feels more industrial to me, motor more personal. A car can have a motor but an aircraft has an engine. The economy has an engine. The difference engine was the first computer. A nuclear submarine has an engine. A soccer player that likes run about has a good motor. A little out board motor goes on a boat but you say a steam ship engine. Robot motor. Locomotive engine. I think it's less about motion and perhaps about how many people can use it simultaneously. Contradicted by a motorcycle engine but in English that simply proves the rule.
very interesting, David! Thank you very much! Very clarifying. It does make sense (but there is one item I didn't get. See below).
How each of your examples would be in Brazilian Portuguese:
- Engine = Motor
- Motor = Motor (i can't understand the motor that is a part of an engine. You mean there is a piece inside the engine called "motor"?)
- Searching engine = Motor de buscas
- Locomotive Engine = Locomotiva
- Locomotive Motor = Motor da locomotiva
Ленинград - WWW
Когда напиваюсь я пьяный
Тогда я мотор торможу
Давай, шеф, поехали к дому
А дорогу сейчас покажу
I thought so too (until it told me I got it wrong!). In colloquial English 'motor' would often refer to a 'car'. You'd be far more likely to use it in that context too, since asking about somebody's car is common, whereas asking about somebody's engine would be... unusual.
Yes, in British English you can talk about a motor car or motor for short. A bit old-fashioned though. Or childish. Generally, I would consider a motor as a device for turning electricity into motion. For any other fuel it's an engine. Rocket motors are an exception. So in a diesel-electric railway locomotive (aka engine in Brit English!) you have a diesel engine driving (mechanically) a generator which feeds (electrically) motors which turn (mechanically) the wheels. (Sorry, I'm an engineer! - British sense). But Russian мотор is obviously different.
The Russian word мотор only means a type of engine, if you were talking about that. If it is used as a slang, it is probably very limited. The dictionary lists it but I am pretty sure I never heard a vehicle referred to as a "мотор" (and that includes taxi drivers).
English is another story.
I mean, most native speakers would not understand you were you to say мотор while actually meaning a car.
For those who may be confused by the Russian alphabet, I have found this resource to be very helpful... http://www.russianforeveryone.com/RufeA/Lessons/Introduction/Alphabet/Alphabet.htm
There is a switch Aa - Яя at the top. If you are working with the mobile version of the site, you may need to switch to the full version in the settings. Somehow, the mobile site does not show that button. Or you can enter Duolingo from your desktop or laptop PC and flip the switch there.
Yeah, I have been doing lessons with the Latin setting first, and then again with the Cyrillic setting. This is a really good course, good job! The only thing is that on my desktop version, I don't have a box with Russian characters to choose from when I am supposed to type what I hear, will that be added later?
Like, all of them? абвгдеёжзийклмнопрстуфхцчшщъыьэюя? That would be one mighty box! Better use Google Input Tools in your browser or a phonetic keyboard.
Don't worry, adding and removing languages on a modern OS is done, like, within a minute. I just tried, and in took me 29 seconds to install Hebrew, starting from staring into the browser window.
Windows does not have a Russian phonetic keyboard in the box (a Mac has), so you should download it , if you wish. However, this is the only obstacle to having Russian installed in a matter of 30-40 seconds—and if you do not like it, removing it will take less than that;).
Mcarrollte, look for browser plugins.
In Chrome I use this one: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/virtual-keyboard/pflmllfnnabikmfkkaddkoolinlfninn
But it seems it lacks the letter "ё". I've never had to use that one while at home (which is the reason for having the plugin on Chrome), but then if needed you always have google translate virtual keyboard
At work I use Yandex Browser (which is based on the new Opera browser) and I use this plugin: https://addons.opera.com/ru/extensions/details/browser-keyboardbeta/
This one is so complete it has one extra letter I've never heard of: "ң"
But I just simply ignore it and I'm happy with it.
The best feature of this virtual keyboard is that you can tell it if it should capture your typing, so if you wish, you could glue some Cyrillic stickers on your physical keyboard and type normally switching from one language to the other when needed.
Since the new Opera browser was as well based on Chromium, there is a chance this one would work on Chrome (which was based on Chromium as well), but I didn't try it yet. Not sure why anyway hehehe
I'm also wondering about your first question. On the page where I first learned the word it was written мотóp. Now it's written without the diacritic. It's confusing. Do you write it with or without diacritic in Russian? Also, how do you type this on a German (or any foreign) keyboard set to Russian? There's no option (at least in my case) to type an accent mark.
I see! Thaнкс for all your replies! They are extremely helpful =) I also wanted to express my gratitude to you and all who worked so hard to make this course happen. I was looking forward to it for a long time and now it's finally here! Thank you all so freaking much! I love you all! Спасибо!
WaaDoku, as far as I know, Russian doesn't have accents. They are just telling you which syllable should be stressed. You don't really have to type it.
Another symbol I've seen over letters in Russian is a dash over the handwritten lower case "T". The handwritten, or Italic typing lower case "T" looks like a Latin "m", so people sometimes add this dash over it to tell people that's actually a "T" and not an "M". But again, this dash officially doesn't exist...
Actually, a horizontal line is written by some people over the handwritten т and under the handwritten ш to make it easier o tell them apart. Fore example, if your handwriting is crap and both look like a neverending line of wobbly lines going up and down.
A lowercase handwrittten м looks the same as the uppercase, only smaller.
Makes sense... this kind of stuff made me stop writing things with cursive letters even in Portuguese (my native language). Nowadays, my handwriting looks like it is everything in capitals, but with the upper case bigger than the lower case... I'm doing the same in Russian, but in the future I plan studying cursive for being able to understand other people's handwriting.
There should be a switch saying Aa or Яя somewhere at the top.
And if you need to have a keyboard, you can install the one your PC supports (the default ЙЦУКЕН Russian layout or a downloadable "phonetic" layout) or use something like Google Input Tools. Much easier if you use a mobile or a tablet—these usually let you install and remover keyboards easily, and they have no physical keyboard anyway.
And баба is the same with Japanese. I guess, when you consider babbling babies making out their first words of two syllables, there aren't that many sounds you can see, thus very few words to call mommy and daddy.
Or maybe all of these are really, really, really old words (everyone knows they are at least really-really old).
Allright i guess the russian ABC isnt that easy as you guys in Duolingo tought. Start a lesson to a total beginners whitout the Cyrillic alfabeth is just not right in my eyes, I personally feel that its hard. So, here is atleast 7-8 (youToube) videoes which are totally free and helps a loot to learn the alfabeth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64vWY8YIijY&list=PL_knbQpx9pBdCTlRJycs_OV3IqWBOepVT
Cause I feel and think, that it supposed to be the first lesson. When you learn a new language. The alfabeth, cause when you arive in Russia even in one of the biggest cityes as Moskow (capital) you will find youre self in a jungle of description road, sub-way, buss... so on. You will get lost trust me. Cause even if you know a lot of words and you know youre destination you cant read it. (cause of description all on Cyrillic, (perhaps you can ask someone, which is not always so easy) I have been there in Moskow and the only thing I can say is that its GREAT !
Again this is not a critic, just my thoughts. Its amazing that you guys give the opportunity to people around the world to learn this language. Its wonderfool and respectable jub keep it going and all respect to those who put all this hard work in to it ! :)
It is an amazing language old an respectable, also you can find millions of files and literatur and movies and knowledge on russian, and also by learning the language you will get one step closer to understand the people and the way they are live and an amazing culture a step closer to a world free of war and full of peace.
Man looks this boys saying: "This is a very weird sentense, can someone gift me lingots?" "more vodka pls" "In Soviet Russia, motor introduces you" I'm russian, and I want learn another news lenguages. But with people like this.. So please, use the forum for speak about the lenguage
huh. The order of these comment posts is weird. I had to search for this after seeing my e-mail. It's not chronologically listed apparently.
But to answer your question, I'm just learning myself. Long winded answer but for "Папа, это не мой мотор. "
The way I try remembering is as follows - the П is a lot like the English "p" sound. So that's papa. это seems to sound a lot like "etah". H sounds like like N so "Het" is Nyet and "He" is Nyeh pronounced. And the Russian "p" sounds a lot like the English "r".
Where I get confused is the "мой" but another person here helped me with the following info. Shady_arc said:
мой is an adjectival modifier and has different forms depending on the gender (number) and case of the word in modifies.
In the Nominative, мой is for masculine words (most words ending in a consonant), моя for feminine, моё for neuter, мои for plurals. Note that the word is stressed on the ending, so мой and мои are quite different (the former rhymes with "boy" but the latter has its "ee" sound stressed).
In US if you want to drive on public roads, you must register your engine propelled device at the Department of Motor Vehicles. Having said that, motors are used more to define a device run by electricity, whereas, an engine is commonly propelled by gasoline, except in the case of rocket engines, et al.
I always feel that I am missing the meaning of the word motor. When speaking in English, unless I am speaking about cars or appliances which have broken, I seldom use the word motor. I never confuse a motor with a radio, and seldom have to tell people this motor isn't mine. I know the word machine is Russian is used to describe a car. I wonder if motor is used to describe something other than a motor?
Android 7: For some reason, there was no "reply" button on some comments, and a specific moderator "reply" button made DL always crash...
In French, there is only one word moteur for motor and engine, but we sometimes use special words for some types of "moteurs" : compresseurs, rotors, etc.
Someone said "щи" is clearly pronounced "shi". He's clearly wrong: "shi" would use "ш" and not "щ". "Щ" is something like "Ш + Ч", making it a soft consonant, while "Ш" is a hard consonant. Hence the "shchi" transliteration for "щи".
The same person does not understand why "ж" is transliterated "zh" in English. It's because "zh" is always pronounced like the "s" in "pleasure", and not like "j" in "jeep" or "g" in "GI". We write "Izhevsk" for instance.
And for the same person again, we don't write "Chehov" because the Russian "х" is more "guttural" (similar to the "ch" in "loch", but not exactly the same though) than the "h" in "house", even if Russian people use this "х" when they import an English word with "h" (the true English [h] sound does not exist in Russian). "Хорошо" is not pronounced "Harasho" (I mean with the same "H" than in "house"). The Russian "Х" is actually articulated like a "K" but without blocking the air (continous sound). Hence the "kh" transliteration.
A last note on accents (I think the moderator wanted to say "acute" accents). You won't find them out of dictionaries or schoolbooks, and " ё" is usually written "е" too. But it is very important to know the position of the tonic accent in a Russian word because the vowels pronunciation depends on it...
It is NOT regular English to use 'motor' in this sentence. 'Car' makes sense. We do not use 'motor' in this context. It is slang, used in rural areas. In Ireland (NW) one might hear a farmer say of his beloved car: "She's a quare (great) motor, hi." Please address this. Thanks. :)
Most likely not. Dictionaries say мотор is an engine and leave it at that (this includes a dictionary that has насрать in the meaning does not give a $h1T").
It does appear in some dictionaries as a slang term for taxi, probably used at some point during Soviet times. Not that I ever heard it IRL.