For anyone still unsure, this is how to pronounce the different forms of "my" in Russian:
- мой /MOY/ - masculine, singular
- моя /ma·YA/ - feminine, singular
- моё /ma·YO/ - neuter, singular
- мои /ma·EE/ - all genders, plural
"Мой" is the only one with a single syllable; the rest are two syllables, stressed on the final syllable. The letter "й" always forms a diphthong with the vowel it follows, like English "y", but "и" does not. Also, if "ё" appears in a word, it is always in a stressed syllable.
Many sentences sound in a different way than how they are written. You will notice very soon. The most known is the damn о that sounds like а, but sometimes a ы sound will be pronounced as a а sound... You just have to learn how to pronounce the words one by one when that happens.
Actually, there's a reason O is often pronounced as A. O is only pronounced like "oh" when it is the stressed syllable. Otherwise, it's ah.
For example, Дом = dome (house) But пока = paka (bye) The second one is pronounced paka because the second syllable is the one that is stressed. You kind of glide over the first one, like paKA (even though the first syllable is a higher pitch).
The word пожалуйста (please) is pronounced paZHALuysta (or more frequently just paZHALsta, because they skip the uy for some reason).
Luckily it's not random :D
Indeed, it's really a bear to figure it out. As a native English speaker, it helps me to remember the words with the appropriate accent mark above the stressed vowel. Nobody really writes like this, but it's great when they do, because you never have to guess how to say a word.
For example, I remember the word Я́блоко, not just яблоко. The accent mark tells me that I say YAblaka, not yaBLOka or something like that.
Good luck with Russian!
I discovered with Duolingo that teachers put those accents to show the stress. I have been learning russian wrong all my life! :D Or maybe not... because I learned by listening, so I just remember how they pronounce the words. I just can't guess if I discover a new word, I need to hear it.
In Northern Russia there are actually a lot of O speakers (they pronounce the unstressed O as well most of the time) and I know that another part of Russia has A speakers (believe it's either southern or eastern area) I use this site to keep my Russian up to date since it's not my first language and currently not around Russians and learn a new dialect at the same time LOL
"a lot" is a definite stretch. Firstly, it's not all of northern Russia: nobody speaks like that in the northwestern part of the country (St. Petersburg and north of it), which is probably the most populated section of northern Russia. Moreover, you will encounter this pronunciation predominantly in rural areas which are very sparsely populated. That means that in a country of 140,000,000+ people you might probably be able to find 140,000 (if that!) speakers of that dialect. That would amount to a whopping 0.1%.
Ik zie dat U ook het Nederlands leert. So,heel erg veel dank voor wat je doet voor ons : je russische kennissen met ons te delen. Ik heb het van geprofiteerd .En proficiat voor je fijf talen ! I like the humble way you choose to reveal us that you learned wrongly the Russian pronunciation . Duolingo helps me tremendously to get my different langages on the right track again as well. See you!
No, the stress is completely random, hence any derivation from that stress is random, which means the times when "o" is read as "a" is 99% random . You would never be able to tell what is the stress/accent in the word, unless someone tells you the word, which means it's random :P
For gods sakes, if you can't tell whether O is read as A, unless you heard the word, it's RANDOM, BECAUSE STRESS ON THE WORD IS RANDOM. Who thought you people what random means? You cannot possibly by any means in Russian know whether some O is read as A, UNLESS someone tells you how to read a word. NO OTHER WAY. EVER.
Yes, in that moment you will hear O being read as A, and you will hear the stress on the proper place, BUT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT UNLESS SOME TELLS YOU the word. The fact that Stress and O read as A go together doesn't mean that that is not random. It just means that "effect" goes together.
Let me draw you an example:
We can never predict Earthquakes grade 9-10. For us they are random. We know when there are Earthquakes level 9 or 10, some buildings gonna be destroyed. Just because we know some buildings are gonna be destroyed, and that's a rule, doesn't mean we can predict the Earthquakes. The fact we can predict some effects of the RANDOM event happening, AFTER it happens, doesn't make it any less random.
I can't never believe how Linguists many times could not understand the most basic concepts in Logic or Mathematics, ever. Someone on your college tells you something, and you repeat it without ever thinking about it.
Hey man, I'm not a linguist. I'm just another Russian learner. No need to bash an entire profession because someone gave you an explanation you didn't like.
Russian stress patterns are somewhat random, but that's not the same thing as word pronunciation. You are right, you have to learn the stress patterns. However, the pronunciation follows appropriately according to the stress patterns. I can see your argument. You are saying that because the stress patterns are random, the pronunciation must also be random. However, because the pronunciation actually lines up pretty well with the stress patterns (once you know them), I would not call the pronunciation random. We are just thinking about two different things.
Have a good day.
What he meant is that when you pronounce O as A, you cannot decide that the O pronounced as A can be also pronounced as O.
Imagine someone, RANDOMLY decides that Пока is pronounced Poka instead of Paka. It would be wrong and people would tell him and correct his mistake.
Therefore, you cannot decide randomly that you can pronounce a word with a O or A, there is a PRECISE CONVENTION that has to be followed.
But I do understand that the way Russians end up pronouncing words seems random. However, there are some rules in place (the stress on syllables), some irregular forms that you just need to remember. It is the beauty of a language: to know its secrets, its laws.
This rule is not random, it has reasons to be there. It is what makes the "music" of a language. It has been decided throughout the history of the language.
You cannot decide that it is random just because you just learned it. You are just getting upset at something that you cannot accept as a foreigner.
No, it's not the "Music of the language", but rather one historical event which happened in 1917, after which Ruskies suddenly changed their language. Dropping a few letters to be one among them.
Basically you used to have "Northern", "Southern" and "Moscow" Russian dialects.
Basically all other dialects of Russian were leveled down to match Moscowian dialect, which read O as A under stress.
Although many times Northerners still read O as O, the language significantly still changed to a RANDOM Moscowian rule(s), and it's way closer now than it used to be before 1917.
In other words, "the music" of other dialects was ripped apart :P
No, dear, that thing you're referring to, is called ARBITRARY .
This rule is simply random, but not arbitrary.
And since there's no particular reason you will read O instead of A, i.e. someone or noone just decided you will read it that way, for no apparent reason (i.e. there's no rule to determine why would you read it that way). that makes it random ;-)
(You're welcome :P)
I am not upset about some spelling and reading rules. Why would I be?
I also never felt like a foreigner among the Russians ;)
English has far worse spelling rules (if there are any), and I don't care. I can not like them, but it's hardly upsetting to me.
I am more bothered with people not explaining things correctly, the same way I hate seeing some English Zealots saying not only their spelling makes sense, but it makes most sense and it is the best in the world.
Its based on the gender of the word and how its used and whether its plural or not. Try not to get discouraged by this because its probably the most challenging part of the language. At least I found it to be. There are something like 20-30 different endings that you'll need to remember for various nouns, verbs and adjectives. But if I could do it, you can too.
Here is a subset of four rules regarding the in German.
dem, der, dem, den.
The fact that you have to think for a minute about which group of rules these particular four rules come from is an indication of just how many rules there are.
The previous example set of rule bound the should not be confused with another subset of rules regarding the:
den, die, das, die.
Mixing up the rules involved in using the in this way has the effect of mixing up the meaning of the sentence.
Just because you apply them automatically and don't think of them as rules doesn't mean that they aren't rules that have to be applied appropriately if you want to make yourself understood.
See an earlier comment about pronounciation and remember the information in the Tips & Notes! If an 'o' is unstressed, it is not uncommon for it to change into an 'a', similar as what happens in 'спасибо'. The 'о' at the end is unstressed, and we all know the transliteration as 'spasiba'.
You can also have 'actual Russians' decide the matter for you, by going over to forvo.com and looking up the word there. It's like a dictionary with people voices, and no definitions. Okay, so not like a dictionary at all, but still, check it out. XD
Does место mean place as in a slang term of where you live or is it like asking "is this my place in line"?