l'ho fatto! Ho due bellissimi alberi! Entrambe tutto d'oro!
I finished my Italian tree a couple of months ago, and the English for Italian speakers last week. I pushed hard this past week to get enough points to reach level 25 in Italian, and even harder today to polish all the lessons to make both trees all gold.
I am very happy with Duolingo and with myself for working so hard to achieve this goal. But, I think I need to back off now and just review my lessons as they come up while I decide what language to start on next.
Congratulations! Io sto facendo gli stessi alberi ma la mia lingua base è l'italiano. You are right, Duo just give you a base. The thing I miss the most is to speak or to write myself. Repetition is boring when you have to go through or to gild several trees. Buono studio e buona fortuna!
Is level 25 the end of the game? Does it say you are now 100% fluent in Italian? I actually need to learn this language as I'm going to go work in Italy in a year or two.
No. Duo never shows you at more than about 60% fluent. What I can say (and I have said it on other posts) is that Duo gives you enough of a strong base to the language that you can continue to learn on your own. I can now pretty much read news articles in Italian and understand what I am reading. I can infer meaning to words that I don't know from the context in which they are used. I keep google translate handy to look up words that I don't know. I do not think that I could hold a conversation in Italian, but I could certainly get my point across and ask typical questions. I wish I would have your opportunity to live there for a length of time. With the basics from DUO and some time immersed in the language living there, you should be as close to fluent as any non native speaker is ever likely to get. Level 25 is as high as Duo goes... but I am not giving up... some of the skills are still very difficult for me (mostly past tense verbs) so I will continue to practice them as duo tells me that I need to and one day they will be as easy as the other skills :-)
I recommend using wordreference.com instead of Google translate for any words you don't know the definitions of! WR gives multiple definitions for words and GT is generally hit or miss in accuracy. Congrats on finishing your tree and good luck and have fun with the rest of your studying!
Yes... That is one other thing that Duo has taught me... Before duo I would hear people saying that Google Translate was a not good.. But I did not understand.. Now, I can tell just how bad some machine translations can be :-)
There are some words on the reverse tree that are not on the regular one.. I found it helpful. Some find it boring because you do have to type English sentences that you are given by sound.. And that is kind of stupid of you already know English. But, when they make you translate into Italian, they seem to be less forgiving of errors, so it is harder in that respect.
Do you get much chances to speak with other Italians? If so how are your listening skills? I find that I can put together a sentence fine, but unless someone speaks quite slow, Italian pretty much still sounds like a random foreign language to me...
I have zero chances to speak with anyone in Italian. ... I listen to RAI Radio 1... I can usually pick out what they are talking about, but not everything. The fun part is the advertisements... after hearing the same advertisement maybe dozens of times, it will suddenly occour to me what it is for.. "Oh.. they are selling organic cat food! :-) "
Congratulations on reaching Level 25 there Louis. I know you are a hard worker and with all those commitments you have you must have tried it very hard. I am just about to reach level 17 in Italian and waiting for Russian for English Speakers.... I think they are in Beta and they are almost due to try it with people so I will wait a little longer.... Once I reach level 17 I think I will try the Poche112 technique and go all the way to reach 25 but for now I am enjoying the Immersion program. I still do not understand it really well but I am liking it and learning more and more language.
As far as your comments regarding the practice of Italian practice, try the Panorama.il program. It i a format with lots of news and other things but the most interesting aspect is that they have lots of videos and I understand it more and more. Also, move around the radio format and go more into news and "talk radio" stations for more practice. How is your grandchild... Was it born yet? Keep well and "Don't worry, be happy!"
Thanks George.. I don't recommend racing to level 25 like I did.. it sort of became an obsession :-) The way the points system works.. You need almost as many if not more points to get from 20 to 25 as you did to get to 20 in the first place.
Going further.... I am still practicing the English for Italian speakers tree .. until I am comfortable with that I still have stuff to learn. I subscribe to an Italian newspaper feed on FaceBook and get a dozen or more articles every day... If I have time I will try to read them.. if not I can easily skip over them. It amazes me that I do get most of the headlines without even thinking about it. How far I have come in 300 days of Duo. I listen to RAI Radio1.. which is news talk... I don't understand most of it, but I do pick out topics here and there. And... THanks for asking... Granddaughter arrived 3 weeks ago... and she is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen... I wish that I could say that she takes up all of my time.. but I don't really get to see her often enough. I'm sure that will change when she gets a little older and her parents can drop her off at grandpas house ;-)
Well, then Louis, I guess now you must really be congratulated for the birth of you real "alberi", a branch of your real tree, the granddaughter for whom you are are still just a shadow in the side of mommy.... but one day you will have fun with her. I promise you. Also I forgot to tell you last time about this site which is good for practicing Italian or any language with real native speakers. The site is goSpeaky.com but take it easy, you might end up with a girlfriend.... lol
Yes, I seem to be just as obsessed as you are when I am interested in something. I rushed through the whole Italian in about tout two months and change and now I am obsessed about translating anything that I find interesting in Immersion. On top of that I am reviewing the Italian tree just to practice vocabulary. I am reaching level 17 today and I guess I have to get about 1700 points on average to get to the next level so hopefully with a lot of immersion duties and translating I have my hands busy. I am also taking a couple of courses with edx and NovoEd which are fun but demanding in terms of materials to read and assignments.
Thanks for the reply Louis and have fun with family and work. Ciao.
Hate to tell you... but the higher the level the more points you need for the next. Two of them are 2000 points... and level 24 to 25 is 4000 points.. that is why I said that aroung level 18 or so you are only 1/2 way there.
I have looked at goSpeaky and others.. but I am still afraid to try to acually converse with someone in Italian.. I like translating the news stories for myself.. but I have not really found the articles in Immersion very interesting.