"Здесь мама и папа."
Translation:A mom and a dad are here.
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I thought the same thing at first but upon reading the translations I remembered that they use a different word for the "pointing" version of here.
For example, when you say "here is my backpack" you must use Вот мой рюкзак but if you want to say "my backpack is (located) here" you must use Здесь. It is a subtle difference but I've seen it mentioned several times.
Careful. Sometimes, the phrase "a subtle difference" is used on Duolingo to explain away a translation (or phrasing) that is simply bad or clumsy. Sometimes, it's used to intimidate students into not questioning a bad translation (or phrasing). The difference between "Here are Mom and Dad" and "A mother and a father are here." is not as stark as the mods pretend.
......."Here are Mom and Dad" and "A mother and a father are here." is not as stark as the mods pretend. ......
Your above statement is incorrect. The difference is stark both in English and Russian.
Here are mom and dad causes me to expect to see them in front of me because I am being told that they are physically in my immediate vicinity and obviously so if I look. Consequently I look.
Mom and Dad are here tells me that despite it not being apparent, they are somewhere within our literal or figurative vicinity. Consequently, I feel comforted with the knowledge.
Вот means ....here is.
Здесь means .....in this area.
The mods are correct to insist on students understanding the difference both in English and Russian. In Russian with the choice of words and in English with word order.
But feel free to ignore Duo if you wish. It will cause only minor confusion for your audience if you use them incorrectly. On the other hand, your own confusion may cause you to throw the punch bowl you are looking at out the window in a panic when someone tries to tell you there might be a bomb in the area. Especially if you reassure everybody you took care of the situation.
I understand the difference between здесь and вот, but "a mom and a dad" doesn't look correct for me. The use of "a" before these words gives some uncertainty about who are them, which doesn't fit the meaning of these words. "A" works better with the use of "mother" and "father".
You have to remember that Duo isn't teaching elegant English. English that comes off the tongue easily or even sounds more natural. Nor does it encourage you to substitute words that just sound nicer.
Duo gives sentences to translate which are derived from a very limited vocabulary at this point in the tree. Students at this stage are being taught about tense, case, word order and gender agreement. Duo doesn't provide a possible context which could make translations more likely.
They just say here is a sentence that is grammatically correct, makes some degree of sense and is suitable for beginning students.
You know, I have already had just about a gut full of Duolingo's inflexible, and arbitrary answers. Why the devil does Duolingo translate 'Здесь mама и папа' into "There is mom and dad here"? Being a professional ESOL teacher, this translation makes no sense at all, and it sets a poor grammatical example for those who are both serious about learning proper Russian, and who are, in-fact - educated enough to know and use correct grammar.
Having to translate 'мама' into the Americanised "Mom', is annoying enough. Being given a poorly-worded translation, and then being told that it is the only way to write it, leads me to question the long-term appropriateness of Duolingo for professional students and translators. Am I being overly harsh here, or do others here feel also, that Duolongo needs to pull its socks up?
Quite true I am afraid that the harvest is probably some different Russian, or to be less harsh, it doesn't feel well, add to that you can't use formal nouns if the question requires informal ones, and the other way around, just like "мать" and "отец" and most of the time "baggage" for "багаж" gets refused while it is true, another example would be "пюре"....and god knows that I am just a beginner.
If you pose a serious question in the comments, it will almost always be answered. Most of the time when students post frustration with Duo' s responses, it is because they have not actually read the comments before posting.
A good text book is a very good thing but no single text book will be of much help with just about every issue that is raised in the comments pages.
I agree, thankfully I'm trilingual and played with duolingo between the 3 languages I'm very fluent in, so I learned where to be careful and how to interpret some of the clumsy answers (and learned how bad it is...). But this isn't right, it is inappropriate to learn a language correctly and we should be careful when using what we learned on Duolingo. Sadly I don't have any other way to learn Russian, I live in Ukraine (Russian speaking part) and the school I work at only offers me one session of Russian a week.
"There are... here" is poor grammar in this form. It implies a plural - for example: "There are ducks and swans here" as opposed to "There are duck and swan here". While it may be correct in Russian, it feels like it shouldn't be a correct answer unless it also obeys standard English grammar conventions.
" There are mom and dad here"
Seems wrong as an answer; nobody would say it in this way in English. " Here are mom and dad" sounds a lot better and seems to have the same meaning.
Unless the sentence has a different meaning and it means " There are a mom and dad here" Without it being YOUR mom and dad.
"Here are mom and dad", as discussed above, would be "вот мама и папа". I agree that "there are mom and dad here" is pretty awful English, but it's just one of a number of accepted translations. The primary translation is the somewhat less awful "a mother and a father are here", and "mom and dad are here" is also accepted.
If you write Мама и папа эдесь, I would assume to mean: "Mother and father are here." But if you say, Эдесь, мама и папа? means: "Are mother and father here?" I am Slovenian and almost every third word is similar to my native language. We cannot change the Russian grammar but accept it and learn the way they speak. It is weird to me too to make the right sentence because they don't use the auxiliary verb "to be" I am, you are, he, she, it is, we are, you are, they are. Russian say: Я, ты, он, она, оно, мы, ты, (вы) они. Anybody can correct me if I made some error. Пока, спокойной ночи.
You changed the translation of the declarative sentence into a question for some reason when you put здесь at the front of the sentence. If you think placing здесь at the beginning automatically turns it into a question, that is incorrect.
Placing it at the front in Russian simply means that is the important information in the opinion of the speaker.
You know, I adore duolingo, and after all it is free, but duolingo got some sort of a system where specific word orders are used, where sometimes you can't use informal nouns, and sometimes the formal nouns are refused, where they rely on a specific word to change the context, which isn't always right, like here, the answer would be "Vot is used to directly point at someone" and lest not forget that sometimes the translation doesn't make any sense when translated to English. My native language is Arabic, and for sure when translated to English the word order is quite the opposite in many cases, in such situation you can't keep the word order while translating to English, unless you don't want the sentence to make any sense. an example, if we follow such way you will end up translating to "car red" which doesn't make sense, so we have to mess around with word order and rearrange it a little bit to become "red car" that's pretty much it. Duolingo should check the reported sentences and figure out the best word order when translated to English.
A range of possibilities , this from multiple translators: Mom and Dad are here. Bing Here mom and dad. Systran Here mum and daddy. Reverso Here mother and father. Prompt Mom and dad are here. Deepl Mom and dad are here. Systran 2 Here, Mom and Dad. Online Russian English Dictionary Here mum and the daddy. translation2.paralink Here mother and dad. translate.meta Here mom and dad. Microsoft Feel free to take your pick, but the general concensus is that a set of parents are in this general vicinity and that the parents are probably yours.
If someone pointed at a map and said in English here are mom and dad I would assume that English was a second language for him. Of course, that assumes that the map didn't have a picture of mom and dad on it for some reason.
Of course you can invent a context where here is/are could be used as you suggest, as in.......Here is the reference point on the map called mom and and here is the reference point called the castle and here is the point on the map where the pot of gold is located. But no one believes you are presenting mom and dad or the castle even if you drop reference point from the sentence. In all instances you are presenting map reference points not the actual object whose name is invoked.
Placing here at the beginning of your English sentence is incorrect. That has been explained in several posts here already. The very first discussion on this page covers it. (at the time of this post)
Mom and dad are diminutives of mother and father. They are terms of endearment. A is an indefinite article. It is very unusual in ordinary conversation to apply the indefinite article to a term of endearment and/or social intimacy. It is possible to conceive of a context where someone might say that in the flow of conversation but it takes some imagination.
However Duo accepts it because you have to insert articles into English translations. Without context you just have to pick them out of the blue. There are few situations in ordinary conversation where you have no context whatsoever to guess at the appropriate article.
All this talk about whether "here" belongs at the beginning or the end, but so little clarification about "A mom and A dad are here" vs "mom and dad are here". Considering how different these two sentences are, I assume one can also easily make this distinction in Russian, but I'm not entirely sure I understand how. Would I be correct to say that "здесь мама и папа" translates to "a mom and a dad are here," and that "мама и папа здесь" translates to "mom and dad are here"? Or am I understanding this incorrectly?
The position of here in the English translation is the only way to get around the fact the Russian has two words for here, each with a different meaning. English has only one word. The difference in meaning in English is accomplished by word order. The word order does not relate to the presence of absence of articles.
"A mom and a dad"? ❤❤❤!?
Ok... I'm pretty sure it's wrong. When you say "mom" or "dad", we get the ideia that you are talking about your mother or father (respectively), unless you make it clear by using "your", "his", "her" etc before these words. When you put an "A" before them you give some uncertainty about if these two are your parents or someone else's. Then it makes no sense this use for these words, it's very weird. You should use "A" for "mother" or "father".
The issue isn't what the Russian words mean. It is what the sentence means in English given that English word order changes the meaning.
It is grammatically and phonetically correct to place здесь at either the beginning or the end of the sentence in Russian. But placing here at he beginning of the English sentence does not match the meaning of the Russian sentence.
Students who ask acquaintances about Duo examples usually ask the wrong question. Don't ask if you can place здесь at either of end the sentence or if you can replace здесь with here. Ask him if Вот and здесь mean the same thing. If he says no and explains the difference, then look at what the best choice of those words are for the English sentence you are writing. Since Duo requires здесь be translated, you have your answer for the translation. And it isn't here are.
Russian has two words for the English word here. English uses word placement to make the distinction between the two meanings of here.
Here are mom and dad = they are present in front of you or are being pointed at.
Mom and dad are here = they are in the general area but may not even be visible.
Вот mom and dad = they are present in front of you or are being pointed at.
Здесь mom and dad = they are in the general area but may not even be visible.
Your word placement in English changes the meaning of the Russian example.
I see a lot of talk regarding the diffrrence between Вот и здсеь. But, Im confused on thr placement. I understand Вот needing to be at the beginning as that actually means "Here is/are." However, for здсеь, it would make more sense to have that positioned like: Мама и папа здесь. Is this not true?
Part of me can understand that. However, an exercise shortly after had "Женщина здесь". I'm assuming Woman wouldn't be considered as more important than Mother and Father. I guess my question now is - is placement That important if the exercises are showing здесь at the beginning and the end? And, outside of the exercise, would Мама и папа здесь be just as appropriate?
The Duo Russian example means exactly that in English.
To capture the meaning of эдесь in English you have to use your selected word order. Moving here around in the English sentence does change its meaning. Placing here at the beginning of the sentence in English requires Вот in Russian.
Moving эдесь around in the Russian sentence doesn't change its meaning. Just its importance in the presentation of information.
If you look just above your comment at the time you posted, you will see the same question being asked. If you look immediately above that one, you will notice the very same question being asked but this time it is answered.
You might want to think of the comments pages as a place where you find answers. That it its intended purpose. If you don't find an answer...... that is when you should post your own question.
You might find an existing answer confusing. Simply repeating the same question over again is of no value since you may very well get the same answer as was previously posted. Just identify the area of the previous answer that you find puzzling.
Some comments pages on Duo have close to a couple of hundred questions and accompanying answers displayed. At least half of them are repeating the same question.