Hé, why is it ''Спокойной ночи'' instead of ''Добрый ночи''? Thank you in advance!
good night is a way to say goodbye before you go to sleep (and not as a greeting when you meet someone at night). so the literate translation is "have a clam night". if you want to greet someone at night you'll have to use something else.
It's like "vache mon bien" in French, which literally translates to "cowey good". Or like saying something's "wicked" or "radical" in English to denote it as something good or as good news.
this cracks me up. vache. it sounds hilarious
in russian that would be something like "dobraya korova" or "horoshaya korova" ..unless they mean it as a verb. what does vachement mean anyways? is it a noun, verb, adjective?
"Спокойной ночи" is used only as a bedtime phrase, like "good night, sleep tight". "Доброй ночи" can also have a meaning of wishing someone to have a nice night (not necessarily sleeping).
People say "Доброй ночи" too. I have seen it on Twitter. I like to search Twitter for words and phrases.
Because they are both indo european languages with the same ultimate root in Proto Indo European.
why are there no stress or accent marks to denote stressed syllable in these lessons?
This seem to be in the genitive, instead of the nominative "Спокойная ночь".
Good morning, good afternoon and good evening on the other hand all use the nominative ("Доброе утро", "Добрый день", "Добрый вечер").
Is there a reason for the choice of case in this particular phrase? Or is it just a completely random language quirk?
In greetings ("Доброе утро", "Добрый день", "Добрый вечер" are greetings) you sort of name this day as "good". In farewells and wishing well you use genitive. "Спокойной ночи" is a short of "Я желаю тебе спокойной ночи" (I wish you to have a good night).
Well then, that by itself does not solve the mistery of why "желаю" does not take the accusative ("Спокойную ночь" ?) in this example.
However, by googling based on this omitted "желаю" I've found that some verbs like "желать" or "ждать" can be used with accusative OR genitive for the direct object, and it somehow is related to the "vagueness" or "abstractness" of the thing that is being waited / wished.
So, have a Lingot for that very useful pointer!
"Желаю" requires genitive. Желаю счастья, желаю спокойной ночи, желаю удачи. This is not considered direct object. If I remember it right, in Russian, a direct object is an object in Accusative used without prepositions.
Yes, I've read that "ждать" and "хотеть" are used normally with the accusative, but they take the genitive if the thing that is "waited" or "wanted" is abstract (like in "waiting for true love" (genitive) vs "waiting for the five o' clock train (accusative) ).
The same source states, as you say, that "желать" indeed takes always the genitive. I mentally associate it with the idea that "wishes are always abstract" :P (Like if you said "I have wishes OF such and such thing").
Makes sense. Waiting for true love and such is wanting them, to have them. Waiting for the train and such is wanting to use them in some way even if only to see them, hear them etc..
I've heard a Russian say just "Спокойной". How does this work? It's just means calm?
It is a shortening. Compare:
- Good morning! - Morning!
Good night! - Night!
Доброе утро! - Доброе!
- Спокойной ночи! - Спокойной!
In English, you drop the adjective, and in Russian it is the noun that's dropped :-) The shortened version of "доброе утро" is very common, and it sounds like a confirmation, sort of "indeed, this morning is good". "Спокойной" instead of "Спокойной ночи" is less common.
Note that in Russian, you only use the shortened version when replying to someone's greeting or bedtime words. You can't say just "Доброе!" when you are the first to greet someone in the morning. And, of course, this shortening is optional. It is perfectly fine to always use the full phrase.
Shouldn't "Have a peaceful night," which is a more direct translation, be also acceptable? Granted, it doesn't sound that much English--but as a translation, is seems to be better...
I thought so too. Good translations shouldn't be about matching colloquialisms while blurring the actual meaning. This program is really terrible about that.
I never understand why they say I "used the wrong words" rather than saying I did a typo. I've come back to Duo after not doing it for a year or two, and tried "Спакойне ноче" which was a failure. I know it's wrong, but I don't get why sometimes they say it's a typo and sometimes they don't...
i guess it's just subjective on the part of the people encoding all the potential answers for the course. sometimes i wonder how they can think of so many potential typos ahead of time ! :D
I like that the three "o"s in спокойной all have different pronounciation... It sounds like "spakoyney" Russian is difficult!
The 2nd 'o' is pronounced like "aw" in "law", because it is stressed But why do the other sound different? What's the rule for pronouncing this letter?
Unstressed O sounds like "uh" or "ah" (I'm not sure how to put this sound into Latin script) in Russian.
oh so this is like "bonne nuit" vs "bonne soirée" in french but backwards.
What does the й mean in terms of pronunciation? It's still pronounced like и, so what changes?
are you having trouble with the the "ы" sound in particular?
to pronounce this: position mouth so that you're saying an "ee" sound, like the "ee" in "key"
now instead of your tongue touching your bottom teeth, move it up, without altering the position of your mouth. your tongue should not touch the sides, roof, or bottom of your mouth. now blow out some air. if it doesn't sounds like something in between "ee" and "oo", you're on the right track. if it doesn't, keep practicing or maybe find a youtube tutorial. or you could just give up. im sure russians will understand what you're saying if you mispronounce one letter
My native Russian GF just told me it means "quiet" or "good" night. Sooo...guess who I'm going to believe.
The pronunciation is bad on this one as well. It sounds like "ноче" instead of "ночи"
Is it just me or do i turn the speaker up really loud and record that instead of my voice.
Wow, everytime I look through comments it's amazing to see how many people know multiple languages. Pretty neat!