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"У мальчика нет молока."

Translation:The boy does not have milk.

November 4, 2015

48 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/flint72

Why does both "мальчик" and "молоко" change here? Is this sentence not

"The milk is not of the boy"

so shouldn't only "мальчик" change?

November 10, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/au40gz

"у" needs the genitive case of мальчик (мальчика) and the absence of milk will require the genitive case of молоко (молока)

November 11, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kingthatcher

In the negative, you must have moloko genitive. This is quite common throughout slavic languages.

December 8, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/aguadopd

There are tips and notes for each lesson, only visible in the web app. https://www.duolingo.com/skill/ru/Genitive-Case---1

Tips and notes

In Russian “I have” is expressed by «У меня (есть)» structure. The owner is in the Genitive case.

GENITIVE

"The of-case". It is one of the most universal cases. How do you make the forms? Here is the regular pattern:

TABLE

A zero ending means that the word ends in a consonant or a soft sign (which is just a way to show the final consonant is "soft"). In the Nominative singular, a Russian word can only have the following endings: а, я, о, е, ё ornothing ("zero ending").

GENITIVE OF NEGATION

If you use «нет» to say that there is "no" something or you do not have it, the object is always in Genitive:

У меня́ есть я́блоко → У меня́ нет я́блока

Здесь есть рюкза́к → Здесь нет рюкзака́.

MAJOR USES

"of" (possession): яблоко мамы = mom's apple"of" (amount): чашка чая, много чая = a cup of tea, a lot of tea

A huge number of prepositions requires this case. Yes, «у меня есть», «У неё есть» only use «меня» and «неё» because «у» wants Genitive.

For он, она and оно Genitive doubles as a non-changing possessive "his", "her", "their": его, её, их.

initial «н» is used for him/her/them with the majority of prepositions (doesn't affect possessives)

INDECLINABLE NOUNS

A little side note: some nouns of foreign origin are indeclinable. It means that all their forms are the same. Foreign nouns that end in о/е become like that (кофе, метро, радио, резюме), as well as all nouns that do not fit into Russian declension patterns (see above).

This includes female names that end in anything other than А or Я. A few -ь-ending names are an exception (Любовь and Biblical names like Юдифь).

So, all of the following names are automatically indeclinable: Маргарет, Мэри, Элли, Дженни, Рэйчел, Натали, Энн, Ким, Тесс, Жасмин.

I AM AWAY

Russian also uses the Genitive to state that someone is "away", "not there": Мамы сейчас нет. In English such use would correspond to "There is no mom at the moment", or even "There is no me now". We are not hard on that particular construction in the course, but it is important to know it all the same.

Added bonus: when a verb directly acts on a noun, the noun is called a direct object and is in Accusative. In Russian, only -а/-я feminine nouns have a unique form for it. Others just reuse Genitive or don't change the word at all (Nominative)

NOTHING

Russian uses.... let's call it "consistent" negation. It means that in negative sentences you are required to use "nothing" instead of "anything", "nowhere" instead of "somewhere" and so on. Let's meet the first of these pronouns:

У меня ничего нет. = I don't have anything.Она ничего не ест. = She doesn't eat anything.

You'll also notice that, unlike standard English, Russian has no rule against using double negatives.

May 4, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shalshelet

Found this on another site. It made my understanding of using genitive for non-possessive words:

You should use the genitive case for words, where in English you could place “some” or “any” before them. The genitive is commonly used after negation.

January 18, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Zylbath

I can't help but to be reminded of Esperanto when reading "мальчик" as /mal-chic/ where /mal-/ means the opposite of something and /chic/ is informally a /girl/ in English. So it would mean basically the same: the opposite of a girl, which is a boy. If that isn't a good mnemonic picture... :)

November 24, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Eddygp

Vere ridinde!! Jam ni estas minimume du Esperantistoj kiu lernas la rusan! PD. Ne zorgu pro mia 8-a nivelo je la Esperanta kurso, ekde tiam mi lernis pli multe ol tiom.

January 4, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ErnestasDo

Why there's no есть? есть - have, so if I want so doesn't have why I can't say не есть?

November 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Berniebud

You can't negate "Есть" with "Не", instead you have to replace it with "Нет".

"Есть" means "Is" or "There is", "Нет" means "There is no".

November 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TahitiTrotsky

Does 'нет' = 'не есть'?

December 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Berniebud

It's basically a negative version of "Есть", yes.

December 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Peter594672

In fact, there used to be несть, which was exactly the "не есть" thing. Like in Им несть числа - They are innumerable (too many to count) or There is no number for them.

Out of use for some half a dozen centuries, so never mind. Forget it.

December 10, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/2E3S

"Не есть" means only "not to eat". =)

November 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/YuliyaKitcune

have no time--нет времени, have no friends (don't have friends) --нет друзей, I don't have a sister --у меня нет сестры, she is not here -- ее здесь нет or она не здесь, I'm not a guy --я не парень, my mother is a beautiful woman---моя мать красивая женщина

we don't use "есть" in these exercises in present as you use "to be" ,only in past and future "была"--"будет" Mom was not here -- Мама не была здесь or Мамы здесь не было or Здесь не было мамы...

I have milk--у меня ЕСТЬ молокO

I have no milk (I don't have milk)--У меня НЕТ (чего? Genitive) молокА (of milk) in negative exercises we change "не имею" "не есть" on "НЕТ" ---у меня НЕТ ручкИ (чего?), сестрЫ (кого?)--we change on Genitive (кого нет? чего нет?--окончание A И Ы--нет яблокА, нет братА, нет собакИ, нет ножА, нет лампЫ

I have no... I don't have ---- У меня нет....

You don't have....---У тебя нет...

We don't have....---У нас нет....

She (he) doesn't have...---- У него (неё) нет...

It doesn't have...--- У него нет... but you can say as Оно НЕ ИМЕЕТ.... for excample This coffee doesn't have taste---этот кофе не имеет вкуса or У этого кофе нет вкуса. The window doesn't have glass-- У окнА нет стеклА или Окно не имеет стекла

Sorry for my English

March 15, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ThaleZOliver

So, in the negative phrase with verb HAVE, in russian I must take off "есть" and put "нет" and after put all the nouns and names, in the genitive form? Exemple.. У мальчика нет молока. : ??????????????

November 20, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/elsantodel90

Yes.

December 3, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/keinemeinung

Would like to specify that there is no verb "to have" in this sentence, only the analogous meaning in Russian.

January 12, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Duchowicz

Can't I say: "A boy doesn't have milk"?

Does it have to be "THE boy"?

November 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jana415365

It's because in English you have to use 'the' when talking about specific person. If you know that some boy doesn't have milk, you are talking about specific boy and that specific boy only. It doesn't really make sense to talk about a random, unknown boy somewhere out there, who doesn't have milk.

August 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AislaWoWonder

Well....I think the U in the "Russian" sentence refers to a specific boy, so not any boy (a), but The boy.

November 21, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/elsantodel90

My feeling is also that it should be accepted, even though it is probably a less common sentence.

December 3, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/johny.be

I think so, it should be same as in Czech, it could be a specific boy, but also any boy

February 4, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nicola745362

How about the boy doesnt have THE milk (as in he forgot it at the store or something when he was asked specifically to fetch milk)?

March 11, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DAVIDSAMLEVIN

Would someone please tell me what is grammatically wrong with "the boy hasn't any milk"?

January 27, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CTO_COB

Techically nothing, but it is a very outdated construction.

January 30, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/diogo8484

You're adding "any" by yourself

February 10, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/071g1

Дать мальчику молоко

August 19, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/glorifico

The variant with the indefinite article have to be accepted also, because this sentence doesn't have any designation of the use only the definite article. Вариант с неопределенным артиклем также должен быть принят, потому что в предложении нет указания на использование только определенного артикля.

February 15, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CTO_COB

Do you mean "a boy [...]"? I'd argue that not, because you are explicitly defining him to be the boy who doesn't have milk. If it was a general statement, it would more likely be "boys don't have any milk" or "no boy has any milk" or something along those lines.

February 15, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JoseBedmar2

Can "kid" be accepted as translation of мальчик?

June 8, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/linbo16

мальчик - boy, kid - ребенок (male or female).

August 15, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Encsi304088

"The boy has no milk" should also be good!

October 6, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WesleyPrates

《у мальчика нет ничега》:р

May 16, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/killerman64

он ну́жно молока

February 12, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/keinemeinung

Ему нужно молоко

February 12, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MlhGnc1

The boy has not milk. What it is wrong?

April 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/keinemeinung

@MlhGnc1 - Use "not" to negate a verb ("he has not gone to the store", "he does not want that").

Use "no" to negate a noun. In this case, "no" is synonymous with "zero" ("he has no tomatoes" would be the same as "he has zero tomatoes").

April 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Easy_Munch

That is not English

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RahulSisod3

Why есть is not being used here ? Please help

October 31, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/keinemeinung

You either use есть to show possession of something, or нет to show lack of possession or absence of something. You can't put them together... it would be like trying to say "he does doesn't have".

January 12, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fbarbera76

Why isn't accepted "the boy hasn't milk"?

March 28, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Easy_Munch

Ooh he need some milk

October 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LivingLifeform

Can this also be used to say he doesn't eat/drink it?

April 16, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Gwenci

No, it can't. That would be «Мальчик не пьёт молоко».

May 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MarinaKras9

Haha

July 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MehPeps

save him

May 11, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vanof

Poor baby.

July 5, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Johnson449245

He needs some milk

October 15, 2018
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