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we eat soup in deep plates, not bowls.. so we say "тарелкa" cause it's a plate. but in english that sounds incorrect because people eat soup in bowls and not in deep plates. lol.. of course I can't speak for all american and russian soup eaters.. but that's how it is in my family.
Cause when we have soup in a plate it gets cool faster and we our mouth does not get burned because of being hungry. But in bowl takes too long to cool
We have these deep plates in America as well but we still call them bowls.
Funny you say that, because "deep plates" we call "bowl plates" because they're like a bowl, but also flat on the bottom, like a plate. And I'm pretty sure I just made the term "bowl-plate" up, but I'm also sadly American.
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In Russian, you can also say "суповая тарелка", but this does not mean that there is soup in the plate. This is just the name of the type of plate.
You drink a plate "of soup", not a plate "soup". So use this "of" form called the genitive. Much like you write сока vs. Сок
Judging from other comments here, миска is not normally used for a dish. Is it more like a mixing bowl?
As for me, миска is a deep metal dish with a plate bottom (used often to leave some food for dogs outdoor). And the mixing bowl i'd call глубокая чаша для миксера
So in russian you do not have to use person same as in spanish? Ты хочешь= хочешь???
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"The simplest valid answer we can give - Russian is partially pro-drop. The actual degree of this "pro-dropness" is an open issue and a subject to debates."
One comment noted that Russian is partial "pro-drop" ("pronoun-drop"), that it is far less done in written Russian than conversational, but that it's acceptable where there is no ambiguity from the verb form.
Obviously, that requires context where verbs have nothing to do with gender (the conjugation table I use has Masculine/Feminine/Neuter forms for Past tense and Subjunctive, but I don't know yet how that works.) And, apparently, some verb forms are shared by different infinitives, so you'd need some greater knowledge in order to know whether your particular verb is ambiguous or not, so using the pronoun seems safer.
I accidentally dropped some subject pronouns (I'm studying Spanish and Italian, too) and was marked wrong, so it's not optional according to Duo, but that may be a mistake - or it might be real. Who knows.
For beginners in true Pro-drop languages, it's always safe to include pronouns in declaratory sentences, but in questions you easily can run into problems, because placement of the subject pronoun in a question can be dicey (problematic). Perhaps that's also the case with Russian - that it's easier to drop a subject-pronoun in a question than in a straight-forward declaratory sentence.
You cannot judge that something is incorrect baaed on Duolingo marking it as such.
Every correct amswer has to be added manually and even in simple sentences for simple languages you need dozens of accepted answers. Russian is very different from English with its conjugations and declensions resulting in even more needed answers.
Ultimately this means dozens to hundreds of answers per exercise are marked wrong by Duo despite being correct. Its just a lot of work and addition and is made even worse by the fact that people often donr report the errors or they post about them in the forum instead of reporting them so they are not seen by controbuters.
I thought Russian always needed the pronoun regardless of the verb's conjugation? Is хо́чешь an exception?
Yes, the form of verb (2nd form ending = -ешь) indicates what pronoun should be used here (single you = ты). That is why you simply can leave pronoun out.
I have tried doing this in other excersizes and was marked incorrect. Why the inconsistancy; Is this a matter of how formal one is speaking?
Oohh i get it. Now ты is removed but is understandable because the word хочешь. You use -шь when referring to ты So that means that ты can be erase it from a regular conversation, right?
In partitive/genitive because it can mean "some of something" (in this case soup), I take it?
This is regular genitive, not partitive. A bowl of soup. Genitive is equivalent to saying "of something" in this kind of sentence. Though I think you might be able to use partitive too here if "суп" had a separate partitive form.
Why is the accusative case only applied to the bowl and not to the soup also? Does the genitive case sort of override it in this case because the soup is in a container, i.e. a quantity of?
It's only applied to the bowl because the bowl is what we're talking about. The soup being in genitive is just describing the bowl. If we had an adjective describing the bowl then the adjective would take the same case as the noun, but here we just have two nouns, the one we're talking about takes the case the verb takes (accusative here) and the one in genitive just stays in genitive. I wonder if that makes any sense.
Хочешь синюю тарелку? Я люблю мою чашку чая.
How would you say "Give me a/the soup bowl?" As opposed to the salad bowl. This question kind of brings to mind the semi-ambiguity in English when you say water bottle vs bottle of water. A water bottle doesn't necessarily have water in it...
In Turkey also we use deep plate for soup and juicy meals. But it is really different from a bowl.
Could be so (I think it is). But not forgetting, most times the Genitive Case is "...of ...", as in the sentence "A bowl of soup". (Genitive - possesion, quantity and negation)
Plus, there was this sentence too "Хочешь супа?" and it was translated as "Do you want some soup".
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Nominative Суп/Супы; Genitive Супа/Супов; Dative Супу/Супам; Ablative Супом/Супами; Prepositional Супе/Супах. A plate of soup = Тарелка супа.
Anytime you have this question, just report it. Either article is fine, just cannot be added if you dont report it (with the report button, not a forum post)
There was no suitable report button which explained the situation correctly.
Still not added as a valid response in 2019. I'll report it the next time I stumble upon it.
Genitive means "of ~~". The plate is the object of the verb "to want", but the plate is "of soup". A direct object is accusative, but an "of" word is genitive.
I thought you only add "a" if the noun is animate and if inanimate then no change on masculine nouns. Is the soup alive or what?
That's for the accusative. Супа is genitive. A bowl (accusative) of soup (genitive).
Why couldn't it be: do you want a soup bowl/plate ? As in do want something more appropriate for eating your soup, what would be the difference in Russian? Thank you
I'm not native and not very advanced, so these might not be exactly correct, but close enough to give you an idea.
A plate of soup = Тарелка супа (супа is in the genitive, aka second case тарелка чего? Супа = A plate of what? Of soup)
A soup plate = суповая тарелка (basically have to use an adjective here, and russians would probably never say this. Better translation would be глубокая тарелка, a deep plate)
A plate for soup = тарелка для супа (супа again is the genitive)
Finally, the translation to do you want a soup bowl/plate ? is "Хочешь глобокую тарелку?"
At the plate the rim is wide and a drop of soup falls back into the plate, the second drop does not have time to form. The bowl has no rim and a drop falls on the table turning into nanodrops on the shirt. Therefore, I prefer a plate.
because the verb is conjugated in the ты form it isn't necessary to add the pronoun
DL, please, we beg of you, if you want us to know that you drink soup from a deep plate in Russia, PLEASE don't teach us that it is a bowl in the translation.
So тарелка is correct, and not миска? Neither english nor russian are my native languages, so I have to think around two corners ...
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I wondered about this, too. I expected муска, not тарелка, but if the native speakers say so...
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Correctly write this word "bowl - миска" In Russia, indeed, eat soup from plates (Едят суп из тарелок).
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Хлеб на тарелке? или Хлеб в тарелке?
Are thing always "in" a тарелка? Or does it depend on the type of food?
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Хлеб на тарелке.
The bread is on top, so ON the plate. The soup is inside, so in the plate. They don't speak English like that. This is an explanation of the Russian language.
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That makes sense. I have a degree in Spanish, and one of my professors pointed out that prepositions are pretty relative from language to language. It might not make sense to a non-native speaker to say it a certain way, but it does to a native speaker.
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It's hard to explain. To understand this, you need to communicate a lot with a native speaker.
Remember: the liquid is always in the plate (в тарелке). If we talk about potatoes or rice or meat, it is correct "on a plate" (мясо на тарелке).
"Тарелка" is a plate in Russian, so the given question is wrong. Or must accept the answer is " the plate of sup"!
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Yes. A bowl is "миска". A plate is "тарелка". Do you want a plate of soup - is the correct answer for the translation "Ты хочешь тарелку супа?".
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I hate this so much in one lecture they use bowl and plate interchangebly on another they mark it as mistake. Have som consistenci duo lingo
You could use миска correct? It isn't grammatically incorrect, and many restaurants, especially in Moscow, serve soup in bowls, not deep plates.
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This is a feature of the Russian language. Consider this an established expression. People eat from a plate. The cat drinks milk from a bowl. The dog is eating from a bowl. The "bowl" is also used for cooking. You can put some semi-finished products in the bowl. You can put popcorn in a bowl and eat it from the bowl when sitting in a chair in front of the TV. There may be a bowl of fruit on the table. But people always eat from a plate. Soup - from a deep plate, main dishes - from a non-deep plate. Pets eat from bowls.
I'm sorry, my English is not very good. I hope this is an understandable explanation.
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So миска is like a larger bowl and not the one thats more like a deep plate you eat soup in?
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Yes, it is. In Russia, they only eat from plates. Soup is eaten from deep plates, and rice is eaten from non-deep plates.
так придёшь в кафе и попросишь миску супа ,как тут написано, тебе принесут в миске суп ,как собаке
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В америке глубокие тарелки для супа называют bowl. Тарелки, которые plate - для вторых блюд. Как-то так.
I always try to pronounce everything in a lesson, and with this phrase I got stuck pronouncing <<к> instead of <<п> in <<супа>. I need to be careful if ever say this to someone who speaks Russian.
with the "tap what you hear" i always try to listen before i look at the options, but the voice nerve asks it like a question and it's weird
Why is "суп" changed to "супа"? I though inanimate nouns didn't change in the accusative.
If the answer is bowl, so why did not duo write миска?why did duo write тарелку?
