https://www.duolingo.com/frogger2013

God -- Ты or Вы?

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I believe I have seen this in two Russian translations of the Bible so far. I always expect to see the more formal Вы when the speaker is addressing God, but I always see the informal, though often capitalized, Ты. Does anyone know why this is?

3 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/cherub721
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It's the same in many languages. I've also seen "tu" to address God in French and Italian.

I also noticed that the Russian national anthem addresses Mother Russia with ты. I suppose it's the same concept of wanting to illustrate a close personal relationship.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/alex_tv80
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God is our Father. And normally one uses "ты" when speaks with his father.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mhouldey

Is he?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BrookeLorren
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I was thinking about this the other day. Not just for Russian, but for any language that has formal and informal forms.

On one hand, God should be respected...

On the other hand, God loves us and doesn't want to keep His distance. He wants to be like our dad. Which would merit an informal form.

I guess maybe it depends on what aspect you wanted to emphasize about him at the time.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Norrius
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Surprisingly, in English one also often addresses God informally. Or at least used to:

O Lord, thou art our God: we will exalt thee; we will praise thy name; for thou hast done wonderful things: thy counsels of old are faithfulness and truth.

(Pulled from a random book found on Google.)

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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Indeed; in Middle English, one would have addressed one's social superiors as ye, yet one's close friends and inferiors (and God) as thou. I think the rationale is that the Christian conception of a personal God must surely make Him closer to one than even one's closest friends, whereas using the formal 'ye' would only put distance between the speaker and God.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KyledelPue
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English did a really weird thing. The informal "you" became formal and eventually useless in conversation whereas the formal "you" which is just "you" became the informal one.

English is just weird.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/draquila

Actually it was a case of everyone becoming so polite that they forgot there was an informal form. Now we see it only in the Bible and Shakespeare so we think it's formal.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/frogger2013
frogger2013
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Thank you both very much for your answers. I had forgotten that English used to make this distinction. Knowing that helped me to research the question further. On the note of вы keeping distance between people--I had not thought of it that way. As an English speaker, I thought it was always a safe bet to refer to practically anyone in the formal. So thank you also for helping me come to a better understanding of the вы form. Please, take some Lingots for your trouble!

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Captain000

You know God, so you speak to him informally ;) That's the reasoning behind it I presume.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mhouldey

In what sense do you know him?

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/alexm768

"Вы" is plural, "ты" is singular. Until the 18th century, any single person in Russia was addressed as "ты". Wikipedia says that under the French language and culture influence "вы" gradually become used to address a respected person. The translations of Bible are old or based on the old tradition. Moreover, God is a very personal thing to call Him "вы".
"Вы" is used to keep distance between people. Usually, you call your friend or your close relative "ты". Even children call their parents or grandparents "ты", even while they are obliged to say "вы" to any other adults.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/david672orford

God is addressed as "ты" because that is the way he is addressed in the Bible. He is addressed that way in the Bible because back then absolutely everyone was "ты". To start calling him "вы" now would sound weird just as it would sound weird to begin a prayer "Dear Sir" and conclude it "Sincerely Yours".

God was addressed as "thou" (ты) in English well into the 20th century. Once God was the only person addressed in this way people came to see "thou" as an especially respectful form of address. This is a modern misconception.

If you are interested in the use of ты and вы, here is an article which I wrote on the subject:

https://www.readyrussian.org/Handouts/Usage%201--%D0%A2%D1%8B%20verses%20%D0%92%D1%8B.html

10 months ago
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