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https://www.duolingo.com/lucie.white

Make it easier to access reverse trees

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It seems like a lot of people are doing the reverse trees of their target language, but it's difficult to switch between courses from English and courses to English. It would be great if this could be made easier, like switching between the other languages!

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/kristinemc

Thanks for the feedback, lucie.white!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EirwenPuchu
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Not only for those who are doing the reverse trees! I'm learning English from Portuguese, but I also learn French, Spanish and German from English and it is a real pain to change from English to Portuguese base everyday, often many times a day.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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I don't disagree with you. I raised this question previously http://www.duolingo.com/comment/984022, which is why I knew the answer (or part of the answer) to "why".

Right now, it takes 2 clicks to change the language setting, which doesn't seem like it should be much of a bother (but kinda is). However, outside of that is finding where to click and the nervous question of "what happens to all of my previous progress if I do click?" I would like the latter two difficulties to be resolved so that more people will take the mirror courses, and 1 click would also be kinda nice.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EirwenPuchu
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In my case it is not only about the 2 clicks. Also, I have two different profiles. Portuguese -> English information won't show up on the English base profile and vice versa. I see the programmers needed it to be that way because when I am in Portuguese base, the site gets translated to Portuguese. However, I don't really need it that way.

Why not let the user select in which language Duolingo is displayed for him? I am a native Portuguese speaker and I learn three different languages from English, so the site is displayed for me sometimes in Portuguese and sometimes in English. However, if I could choose, I would have it always in French because it is my favourite language.

I agree that essential features have priority, but should that prevent me from making suggestions?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Not at all. If I felt that it should prevent you from making the suggestion, I wouldn't have made the same suggestion myself. ^_^

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/0liwia
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Although I completely agree with you guys, I'm also thinking it's a broader problem than that for Duo. As the list of languages will grow, you'll have more and more "cross" learners like Spanish -> Portuguese. Then where do you give access to these courses? And to the forums? And which flags will show up on your profile?

For now it seems pretty simple as everything revolves around English. But later on?...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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Honestly, people have talked about this, but I think a better suggestion that a lot of people have mentioned is that instead of having people deal with the reverse trees at all, is to have a function in our existing language trees that switches all questions to us translating INTO the target language instead of mostly translating to our native language. You get the same goal but all your points still go into one tree.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/0liwia
0liwia
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As mentioned, this isn't the only issue. It's also about accessing the forums and helping people learning English, or perfecting your English yourself if it's not your primary language.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/856pm

Reverse trees? Is that when you are learning English from and from English at the same time? I tried that with French a bit...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lucie.white
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Yeah! I was very excited that they've just introduced German to English, so now it's possible for every currently available language! And so far I've found it a great means of pushing my German a little bit further (and revisiting some basics I didn't quite get the hang of the first time round)!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/856pm

Nice! I tried learning German a bit too (on the side, along with French), but the time needed to practice and recall from two different pieces of source material at the same time was a bit overwhelming. The good part about "learning" your native language is that you already know all the nuances of native speech. As to whether the Duolingo system know such nuances, especially with the course in beta, is up for debate.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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I haven't found it to be difficult. How do you mean? Can you give us a description?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lucie.white
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Perhaps difficult isn't quite the right word; it's just that every time you want to switch, you have to go to settings, and then pick the language from the drop down menu. If you're switching between the two trees constantly (as I, and I imagine a lot of the people doing their reverse trees do) it can get a bit frustrating! Duolingo makes it really easy to switch between languages as long as the base language is the same, and I was thinking it would be nice to have a similar option for people who are working on their reverse trees!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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It has to do with DL knowing which discussion forum to generate for a user. This discussion forum is for folks learning other languages from English.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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People who are leaving down votes: If you are trying to say you don't like the answer I gave, can you please put that into writing instead of down voting? I didn't create the reasoning. I simply reported it. By down voting, you are pushing the answer to the original question to the bottom of the forum, when answers to questions should be moved to the top where people can see them.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EirwenPuchu
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Well, why not allowing users to switch the discussion forum as they please?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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I don't know the exact answer to that. What I do know is that one of the DL staff members made a general comment to the affect that they have received thousands of suggestions for adding changes to the website. These weren't all bad suggestions. But, implementing all of them would make the website very difficult to navigate. Essential features have priority.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xiuhtecuhtli
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Yes, I would really like this too! I'd practice English-from-Spanish more if I didn't have to "lose" all my progress each time I switch.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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You don't lose your progress. http://www.duolingo.com/comment/984022

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xiuhtecuhtli
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I realise that, hence the scare quotes, but it always looks like you do.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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I know right? I was terrified!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TTANTAWY
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It'd be more convenient to have them appear alongside with the other languages, that's for sure. Meaning: in the profile, beside the user name, etc. This way you can switch between languages more easily. But what will happen if you decide to take the reverse trees of 2 or more languages; French to English and German to English for example? 2 American flags?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Avistew
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They could resolve this by making each flag two halves, the first one being the source language, the second one the target language. So you would have one flag that's half French, half British (or American) and one flag that half German, half British (or American). You would also have both these flags with the halves reversed. It would make it easy to know which pairs you are studying, and it would be helpful, as someone who has a high grade in English to German and English to French is good, but if that person also has a high grade in French to German, for instance, it's more impressive.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vitor.lu
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I agree very much with this, and it's not just about the reversed trees. There are many polyglots around here and Duolingo is constantly growing, so for instance soon it will be possible to learn Catalan from Spanish, but not from English. So a Spanish speaking person wanting to learn Esperanto and Catalan will always have this hassle.. Or someone like me, that did the German tree from English and now feels more like doing it again from Spanish or soon from Portuguese, instead of doing the reversed tree - which I find less interesting, as all the audio would be in English.

3 years ago