Saluton! More planned languages please?
I really enjoy Esperanto, and there is so much to be read about it on the Internet, but what of the less known planned languages? There is so much less out there to read about them, but if we had a course on them here and a forum for discussing and practicing them, we could still learn to read and write them at least, and maybe even to speak them.
I like the way languages evolve, but I personally think the most part of that evolution is found in the attempts people make to invent whole languages and to make huge reforms to them like the way American English came into existence.
I would love to see the hard work that people have done on such languages become more well known. I would love to see the regularity of many such languages eventually have more of an effect on haphazard languages like English.
I know there are other people out there who support having more such languages supported on Duolingo, and I understand it's in the long term plans, but I've actually had people tell me offline and through communication outside of Duolingo that they're afraid to mention it in here.
Well, I'm mentioning it, and I hope some of the supporters of having more planned language courses in here will risk showing a little support for my bold request.
So, Duolingo staff, might we please have more planned lesson courses? Have there been volunteers offering to make them? Could you please ask for such volunteers if you don't have enough?
Samidana Duolinguloj, bonvolu demandi kun mi?
Edit: I see the trolls are already attacking. Are they going to silence me like they silence everyone else who dares to speak on their forbidden topics?
The only conlang I find interesting is Modern Gaulish (Galáthach hAthevíu). Basically because of the noble task of reviving Gaulish (the people involved are linguists and experts in Gaulish language) creating an hipotetical evolution of that language so it can be used nowadays. It's very similar to Welsh and the guys making it have produced music, poems and prose.
If you are curious and want more information:
Celtic punk song in Modern Gaulish to check how it sounds:
Well, the support is appreciated, regardless of whether its for conlangs or interlangs or one particular planned language, or whatever... and your explanation of what you are interested in specifically is also appreciated. Most people tend to have their favorite to support, but even Zamenhof made it very clear that supporters of such languages should support each other, and that humanity in general should try its best to get along.
So thanks. :)
The reason why some dislike people asking for conlangs (and languages in general) to be implemented is because they're also waiting on other languages to be approved that they want to learn.
Take Afrikaans for instance. 17 million plus people speak it and it's been asked for for a while, yet Esperanto, a language with 2 million speakers, got in before it. Having another conlang get in before Afrikaans would suck for those people who want to learn Afrikaans.
Everyone would love for every language to be available on here, but that can't happen all at once. Me for example. I'd be fine with all of the conlangs being taught here, but I'd really prefer that a language such as Afrikaans be made available first.
So it's not so much that people dislike conlangs rather than they don't want them to be prioritized over other languages, and when people ask for a certain language they're often asking for it to be made a priority. That's where lots of the tension exists, I think.
Of course, and I fully understand that. I think and Afrikaans course would be great. That's no reason, of course, for free speech to be silenced. Yes, I know there are countries in the word where freedom of speech is much more rare than it should be, but the Internet is not a country, and those of us who would like to see more support for planned languages shouldn't be silenced by those who think that only one dialect of one such language should ever be allowed here.
Besides, there is much to be gained by implementing courses teaching planned languages, since they tend to be simpler than haphazardly evolved languages, so they tend to make good test cases. I would even love to see DuoLingo try to invent a language or two of its own, and I believe that what they would learn from the attempt, regardless of how successful it turned out to be, would help them to make DuoLingo a better tool set for teaching and learning languages.
Besides, I really have seen no evidence that anyone is trying to silence the "conlang" discussion over worries that support for their favorite "natural language" might be put off longer.
However, your arguments do make sense, and of course are not to be dismissed. I've considered the same possibilities myself as I silently analyzed the situation, and the evidence just doesn't seem to lean in that direction at all.
Makes sense that it wouldn't really. I mean, for example, if people who want to see an Afrikaans course aren't worried about the thousands of other complicated but well established naturally evolved languages, why would they worry about languages which are much more rare and would tie up much less resources to implement?
Anyway, have a lingot for the well thought-out comment. Thanks for your input to the conversation. I hope you will also add something along the lines of what planned languages you might prefer to see come out when Duolingo does decide to add one or more to the incubator.
(As a side note, Afrikaans would be quite easy to implement codewise. It's not that different than Dutch really, but I do see some of what you're saying.)
Thanks for the lingot! Also, here's another couple things to keep in mind:
Millions of people use Duolingo and 5 downvotes to hide a post is an incredibly low number. People constantly talk of trolls, but I bet lots of downvoters are people who genuinely simply dislike an idea, for whatever reason (like the ones I talked about earlier).
Lots of people who downvote posts aren't regular discussion users. They might not even realize that 5 downvotes can hide something. This feature is unlike the behavior of any other social media site. If they knew it'd hide the discussion, they might be more restrained in their votes.
I'm sure some do have a malicious intent in voting, but lots of people are simply used to the idea of downvoting/upvoting simply to show if they support something or not. :)
I don't know if you saw my reply before the trolls made it invisible, but I did write one. :/
Yes, you can make it show, but the browser won't scroll to it when it's hidden, so I just didn't want you thinking I hadn't replied, just because the trolls got to it so quickly.
We need to all up-vote each other's comments more, so they can't hide them so easily.
Yes, you're right of course. Look through this discussion though, and others like it. The trolls are obvious. Watch for complete nonsense, laughing rather than commenting, personal accusations of their targets being the trolls themselves, bragging about their knowledge of how to troll, accusations or inferences of anyone they can't down-vote fast enough to hide their comments of using the same kinds of trolling tools they do, and so on. It really is pretty obvious... even though they think they hide it well.
Sure, not all down-voting is malicious, and I agree that much of what is hidden by down-votes was not meant to be hidden, but unfortunately there are also a persistent few who take frequent advantage of how easy it is to offend, frighten, hide, distract from, or what ever else it takes to keep their forbidden topics from being discussed. I do wish Duolingo would make it so that down-votes were nothing more than down-votes, and move the reporting of obscene remarks and personal attacks to request that they be hidden to another button... so that trolls who have nothing better to do would show up well on their logs as such.
After Chinese and all of the rest of the major world languages that people are requesting are implemented, I would like to see Lojban and see if its claims of being the most logical and accurate language hold true.
I'd also love to see some programming languages taught in a manner similar to Duo. But I'd rather have those on a spin-off site rather than here.
Very good feedback. Thank you very much. Yes, Lojban would be good to see here, for sure.
Jes ja bonvole! Dankegon!
Yes, the well known Interlingua would be good of course, or any of the lesser known known planned languages that have used the same name.
Thank you for speaking up!
Si! Per favor, adde Interlingua al linguas! ---Yes! Please add Interlingua to the languages.
"I've actually had people tell me offline and through communication outside of Duolingo that they're afraid to mention it in here."
Probably because nearly every day there are several threads started by people "needing" another language.
Or maybe because many of us have been treated so badly by certain people claiming to support Esperanto in here, just for expressing opinions they don't agree with, that we're just afraid to speak our minds and would rather avoid the risk of being attacked again. In fact, I'll probably regret even replying to you to suggest such a possibility..
Probably not for that reason. In fact, I'm sure of it.
People don't become afraid to mention something just because it's a common topic of conversation. In fact, just the opposite is usually the case.
Me all? I'm one person, and who I live with is none of your business, but no. What does that have to do with the topic of this discussion?
Hard to believe that got up-voted 11 times! Did you get your entire family to vote it up for you? Looks like you created an account just to post such nonsense, and not to actually learn anything. Why don't you get to level 2 at least, on something, and the try saying something that makes sense and isn't completely out of context?
I know, it's an accepted plural form in some regions, but there's only one of me. LOL!