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https://www.duolingo.com/keerthi4streak

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!!

The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

2 years ago

20 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/salihua
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Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/keerthi4streak

Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KnightKittenz

Congrates for letting feeling out!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/keerthi4streak

Danke! I feel relieved now :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Carreng15
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I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/keerthi4streak

Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FairlandHippie

Well-written and well-reasoned!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ezkertia
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Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/keerthi4streak

Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Agitator

Good stuff

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nathanwu5022557

I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wyeager84
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The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rob2042

The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/keerthi4streak

It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/joshmaka

tis is dumb ' \

[]\p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

Give Lingot14 441 year ago

Leave a new comment 16 Comments

salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]\p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 PostCancel Related discussions

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My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

Give Lingot14 441 year ago

Leave a new comment 16 Comments

salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]\p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 PostCancel Related discussions

100 day streak & my death 61 Comments My Conlang 44 Comments My apologies... 10 Comments My 100 Day Streak ! 17 Comments My German Abenteuer (and my 1000 day streak) 17 Comments Oops! Lost my streak 13 Comments My 470 day streak... is over! 40 Comments My year long streak 31 Comments Finished my tree in 185 day streak. 15 Comments Lost my 1310 day streak :'(( 38 TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]\p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 PostCancel Related discussions

100 day streak & my death 61 Comments My Conlang 44 Comments My apologies... 10 Comments My 100 Day Streak ! 17 Comments My German Abenteuer (and my 1000 day streak) 17 Comments Oops! Lost my streak 13 Comments My 470 day streak... is over! 40 Comments My year long streak 31 Comments Finished my tree in 185 day streak. 15 Comments Lost my 1310 day streak :'(( 38 Comments TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]\p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua ***** wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 PostCancel Related discussions

100 day streak & my death 61 Comments My Conlang 44 Comments My apologies... 10 Comments My 100 Day Streak ! 17 Comments My German Abenteuer (and my 1000 day streak) 17 Comments Oops! Lost my streak 13 Comments My 470 day streak... is over! 40 Comments My year long streak 31 Comments Finished my tree in 185 day streak. 15 Comments Lost my 1310 day streak :'(( 38 Comments

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/joshmaka

TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

joshmaka 6 tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

Give Lingot14 441 year ago

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 PostCancel Related discussions

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My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

Give Lingot14 441 year ago

Leave a new comment 16 Comments

salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 PostCancel Related discussions

100 day streak & my death 61 Comments My Conlang 44 Comments My apologies... 10 Comments My 100 Day Streak ! 17 Comments My German Abenteuer (and my 1000 day streak) 17 Comments Oops! Lost my streak 13 Comments My 470 day streak... is over! 40 Comments My year long streak 31 Comments Finished my tree in 185 day streak. 15 Comments Lost my 1310 day streak :'(( 38 TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 PostCancel Related discussions

100 day streak & my death 61 Comments My Conlang 44 Comments My apologies... 10 Comments My 100 Day Streak ! 17 Comments My German Abenteuer (and my 1000 day streak) 17 Comments Oops! Lost my streak 13 Comments My 470 day streak... is over! 40 Comments My year long streak 31 Comments Finished my tree in 185 day streak. 15 Comments Lost my 1310 day streak :'(( 38 Comments TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint pa

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/joshmaka

TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

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keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

joshmaka 6 tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 PostCancel Related discussions

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My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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Leave a new comment 16 Comments

salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 PostCancel Related discussions

100 day streak & my death 61 Comments My Conlang 44 Comments My apologies... 10 Comments My 100 Day Streak ! 17 Comments My German Abenteuer (and my 1000 day streak) 17 Comments Oops! Lost my streak 13 Comments My 470 day streak... is over! 40 Comments My year long streak 31 Comments Finished my tree in 185 day streak. 15 Comments Lost my 1310 day streak :'(( 38 TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 PostCancel Related discussions

100 day streak & my death 61 Comments My Conlang 44 Comments My apologies... 10 Comments My 100 Day Streak ! 17 Comments My German Abenteuer (and my 1000 day streak) 17 Comments Oops! Lost my streak 13 Comments My 470 day streak... is over! 40 Comments My year long streak 31 Comments Finished my tree in 185 day streak. 15 Comments Lost my 1310 day streak :'(( 38 Comments TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint pa

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/joshmaka

TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

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keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

joshmaka 6 tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 PostCancel Related discussions

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My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

Give Lingot14 441 year ago

Leave a new comment 16 Comments

salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

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100 day streak & my death 61 Comments My Conlang 44 Comments My apologies... 10 Comments My 100 Day Streak ! 17 Comments My German Abenteuer (and my 1000 day streak) 17 Comments Oops! Lost my streak 13 Comments My 470 day streak... is over! 40 Comments My year long streak 31 Comments Finished my tree in 185 day streak. 15 Comments Lost my 1310 day streak :'(( 38 TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint passed Clothing0/4 Questions0/2 Present 10/3 Food 20/4 Family0/4 Sizes0/1 Household0/6 Occupation0/6 Time0/7 Adject. 10/9 Test out of 10 skills Present 20/7 Determin.0/3 Adverbs0/10 Objects0/8 To Be0/2 Places0/9 People0/4 People0/4 People0/4 PostCancel Related discussions

100 day streak & my death 61 Comments My Conlang 44 Comments My apologies... 10 Comments My 100 Day Streak ! 17 Comments My German Abenteuer (and my 1000 day streak) 17 Comments Oops! Lost my streak 13 Comments My 470 day streak... is over! 40 Comments My year long streak 31 Comments Finished my tree in 185 day streak. 15 Comments Lost my 1310 day streak :'(( 38 Comments TOPIC: DUOLINGO

My Streak!! My Prrrecious!! keerthi4streak 24 8 2 The streak feature seems to be a very important motivational factor and many of us seem to have taken it seriously. I myself, on some weekends, have opened Duolingo and completed my daily goal at the 11th hour not because I am very keen on completing my daily learning but just for the sake of maintaining my streak. It looks like over the time I have started to take pride in the number displayed with the "orange flame" in my profile, posts and comments which by the way was not my intention when I started to use the application.

The very same has also given rise to a fear. Fear, that one fine day I will have to face the horror that I had lost my streak because I got too busy to complete my goal for 2 days or more. Since streak freeze excuses one for only one day and requires one to buy a new one every time and only after the previous one has got "used up", there is a constant fear that due to unavoidable circumstances one may loose this much treasured accomplishment. Once it is lost, there is no trace left behind; No proof that it ever existed; Absolutely nothing.

For many this might be really disappointing and as seen from the comments many are more attached to the streak than the total XP. Perhaps one may give up on maintaining streaks altogether and thus the emphasis on the importance of consistency in learning that Duolingo promotes with its streak feature might lose its significance among such users. The forum is full of "lost my streak" horror stories. Some forgot to check if a streak freeze was active, some did not have access to application for a few days due to various reasons, some say they had completed their daily goal but it was not updated on the server and many more. No matter how logical we claim to be we always seem to have a strong appeal towards emotions.

On the other hand I do not think one should be allowed to keep their streak with out completing their daily goals for more than one day via some "enchantments" purchased at the Lingot store. This would be against the purpose of incorporating Gamification in app design to promote behaviour that have desirable impact, in this case, on learning and memory. It would be like, just saying, "I am not gonna hit the gym for next 30 days but this magical enchantment that I got from my psychic will ensure that I will stay in shape I am in currently even after 30 days of break from working out". Same applies for what we learn too. Elements of Gamification must always be in sync with certain clearly identified aspects of reality as much as possible for it to remain a useful part of the application and to add value to over all user experience.

In my opinion, the way the streak feature currently works in Duolingo promotes behaviours or habits that greatly help with process of language learning. But, what about the resulting disappointment from loss of streak, especially if one has been maintaining it for a while. I feel that the intensity of disappointment as a result of loss of streak is not just that the streak was lost but that there is no trace of whatever had been accomplished. It would be be nice to have these accomplishments preserved.

To deal with such concerns, we can think of two feature additions that would complement the current streak feature. One is that Duolingo should remember what was the longest streak ever achieved by each user. This should preferably be displayed where ever the user's streak is displayed: profile, posts, comments etc. Perhaps a distinctive indicator such as a "pale blue flame" icon (pale - to indicate that it is of the past and blue - well I fancy it as such) flaunted alongside the "orange flame". This assures users that their accomplishments are not forgotten and provides confidence by reminding that when it was possible once, it is possible again. Also this goes in the spirit of several proverbial sayings that more or less say true progress occurs when one is involved in a constant effort to do better than what was done by oneself before.

The other is to keep track of how many days cumulatively each user met their daily goal whether on a streak or not. It need not be just the number of days that the daily goals were met but a measure derived from multiple parameters such as the no of days the goals were met, the goals set in each of those days, number and length of streaks on those days.

I do not intend these suggestions to be a mere wish-list of features wanting to be included but to bring to light the fact that there is immense scope in understanding the motivational/emotional aspects of user's interaction with the application. Such an undertaking can be worthwhile to help the application evolve in a manner that motivates a larger population to pro-actively engage with it and derive benefits from the things learned.

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salihua 25 25 16 Excellent suggestions. I like the cumulative record of number of days of daily goal met -- That would be a reinforcer for someone who has left and returned to Duolingo. Currently there is a record of when you first started, but that wouldn't include the amount of time spent on Duolingo. I don't know how many users they lose after "long" streaks > 50 days, but I would imagine it is significant. Dropping the beginner back to the start when it is a game involves the investment of a few hours play time in most games...well, for most beginners, it is measured in minutes. But think of a college student who starts Duolingo during their French class and continues for a month or two, but then the semester ends and they go off to their homes. When they return to campus they may or may not continue with French class, but it would be nice if there were a carrot to get them to continue Duo so they don't lose their French. Perhaps a 'returning user' badge? No, the cumulative record is better.

13ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yea!. Hope Duolingo's team gives it a consideration.

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

KnightKittenz 6 5 Congrates for letting feeling out!

5ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Danke! I feel relieved now :D

3ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Carreng13 15 7 6 I see what you are saying and I agree, but sometimes, due to certain complications, you need a streak feeze. Also, it is not the same as going to the gym. Yes, language learning requires practice every day, but, say you go to a different country and the time zone is different, and you get on to practice, and you lost your streak! Would you like that?! I know I wouldnt . :) ;)

4ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Yes. It makes sense in such scenarios. But then if you have a lot of lingots, you can go on purchasing one after another everyday without practicing your lessons until you run out of lingots. If you have say 1000 lingots, for 10 lingots a day, you can get away without meeting the committed daily goal for 100 days.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

FairlandHippie 25 6 6 Well-written and well-reasoned!

3ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

Bergsteigener 25 24 10 1 [deleted]

2Give Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Sorry to hear about your streak loss but it is something that I wager most of us have to face one day. You seem to be doing well however.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Ezkertia 25 10 9 7 5 Really good post. I lost my streak while traveling this summer. It was quite demotivating, but at the same time, strangely liberating, because I no longer had a reason to feel like a slave to the streak. But yeah, the prospect of starting over from zero, when you lost your streak due to circumstances beyond your control (two days without internet access is all it takes...) is a bit of a bummer. I wonder if the Duolingo folks have given that much thought.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 Thanks. Sorry to hear about your streak loss. In my present condition I feel that being a slave to the streak is the only thing that keeps me going with the application at least in a regular manner. No clue what would be my thoughts once I lose it.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

Agitator 8 Good stuff

1ReplyGive Lingot1•1 year ago

nathanwu5022557 7 2 I just started 5 days ago, and the streak thing has kept me motivated. Nice Suggestions.

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

wyeager84 21 10 2 1323 The streak has been a motivational factor for me, and there is evidence that this type of feature can create habits - that are necessary for language learning. I lost my streak due to a bug in the mobile application and luckily I was able to retrieve the proof that I did my XP for the day - and Duo restored my streak. At the time I lost my streak - before it was restored - I was not happy that it was lost, but it was a good thing since I realized that the commitment to learning a 2nd language means using a variety of methods. So even if you miss your day of DuoLingo, there is probably a chance that you are reading French or watching French youtubes or using another app. I have my mobile phone in French, so i am definitely spending hours a day looking at French ;). But their is no correlation between a streak and improvement in language learning. I could simply go into immersion and proof a word or do the 1st tree exercise, with XP goal at "1" everyday - and build a massive streak.

I think, although the business case of this site is to monetize through translation, that there needs to be a more sophisticated algorithm beyond XP or streak ( and XP is reset when you restart your tree - it happened to me! I was a level 21 French before I reset my tree ) in which there would be some type of score ( more than the fluency % which I think is not a true measure - but that's another topic ) based on :

-time spent on site -number of exercises completed -average time it takes to complete a certain skill -words "known" -ability to exactly write in French (with correct accents)

However this would entail Duo to keep KPI and metrics - and as I said, this is not the business purpose of the site.

Just my thoughts.....

1ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

[deactivated user] The streak should be replaced with the number of active days just like one accumulates points. The current streak means nothing if streak freezes are allowed.

0ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

keerthi4streak 24 8 2 It's perhaps good to keep the current streak feature intact as it accounts for consistency of efforts. Cumulative measure of active days should complement it not substitute as one may take a decade to reach just 100 days of meeting daily target. Surely, consistency deserves a special attention. But I agree that at least there should be a limit on the number of streak freezes that can be applied consecutively and minimum actual streak that one must maintain since utilizing the last streak freeze before they are allowed to buy another. Otherwise, the lingot-rich users have an unfair advantage and the numbers shown for their streaks are not a true measure of their commitment. More like being on steroids and passing off as healthy from looks alone.

2ReplyGive Lingot•1 year ago

tis is dumb ' \

[]p[87rjoi'uykolkjolr Daily Goal Learning a language requires practice every day. 0/10xp gained 0 day streak 11 hours left Strengthen skills Leaderboard

This week This month All time 0 XPjoshua * wilson 0 XPbrando 0 XPJesus Alfredo Flores 0 XPkiyoko Find friends on FacebookSend inviteSearch Follow Duolingo 237k 1.28m 285k Lingot store Spanish skills LEVEL 6 Basics 1 Phrases Basics 2 Food Animals Possession Checkpoint pa

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