https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb

Dutch Tree 2.0

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Hoi allemaal!

We are now officially able to build our Tree 2.0! This means that we can edit the existing course and add some brand new words, lessons, and skills! A new voice (!) and bonus skills are coming soon™. We already have some ideas, but we would like to hear your suggestions!

  • Did you see any strange sentences, words or typos that we should change immediately?
  • Are there any skills that should appear earlier, need more attention or that are too long/short in your opinion?
  • Which new grammar/vocabulary skills would you like to see in your future new tree?
  • Do you need some more ducks? (We know they’re important!)

We cannot do everything of course:

Things we cannot do

  • We can’t add a words tab.
  • We can’t add gender labels.
  • We cannot change the distribution of (NL<->EN) exercises.

Don’t hesitate, every (doable) suggestion is welcome!

Groetjes from Team Dutch!

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Germanger
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Alsjeblieft, flirting bonus skills !!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gjnelson
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Based on the ridiculous sentences in other languages, which then turn up occasionally in review, I would strongly suggest NOT to add the flirting "skill".

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/michisjourdi
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They should rename the "flirting" sections to "cheesy pick-up lines". I thought we were going to be learning something useful from those, like "You have beautiful eyes." or "I love your personality." Maybe even "I can't live without you."

Those would be for "flirting." ^_^

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Germanger
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It's funny tho

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annelieseclare13

I think learning to flirt in Dutch would be fun! If you know it in English, why can't you learn in it Dutch? :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheSnark
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Ervan uitgaande dat je kunt kiezen of je dat wilt of niet... WEL doen! Gewoon toevoegen. Because you can.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kebabkerry

Some cheesy pick up lines would make practise time with dutch friends a lot more interesting...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ArdeJohnson

If you're lucky, you'll get to get to practice any Dutch at all!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lemonswag234
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What about "Jij ben mijn licht in de nacht" that is way too romantic :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Timo82168

Shouldn't it be "Jij bent(!) mijn licht in de nacht" ?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mmgery
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The best translation is actually, for some reason, Je bent mijn licht in de duisternis. I assume this is idiomatic or they have slightly different meanings ;)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lemonswag234
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It should be :) my mistake, won't edit it cuz i would make you look weird haha

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Timo82168

:D That's very kind of you

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheSnark
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You can always steal a few from the duet of Herman Finkers and Brigitte Kaandorp. That should be a scream.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xanaxandra

Dijn snavel is de liefste

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kka.anni
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Some sentences are secretly flirt skills, such as "I see you have a cat" and "Nee, geen broek alsjeblieft."

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Germanger
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Don't forget De sinnassapel spreek!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nick__Torres

As well as, Ik ben geen een banaan!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Brijsven
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Ik ben geen banaan! ;-*

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/YYismyLanguage

Maar, Ik ben een banaan.. :(

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lolgast

Maarja, ik heb geen bananen vandaag!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/emak02
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*De sinaasappel spreekt. ^^

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NirRL
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Haha omg ik lachte eigenlijk een beetje

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NRizel
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Yeah, I agree, but i heard that Dutch men sucks at flirting, just google it, maybe that's why, lol

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Germanger
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haha maybe but Ik ben geen Nederlandse en Ik zag jij hebt de mooiste glimlach

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NRizel
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Alstublieft, I don't understand your point's reply to mine and I have no idea whether you are Dutch or not, "The prettiest smile" ?? I'll take it as compliment, Dank

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Germanger
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I'm not dutch, and it is a compliment I'm learning them since Duolingo is not teaching 'em, but as you can see they can create a smile in any language!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AngelaBowe1

Dutch men suck at flirting - A Dutch man sucks at flirting.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Olja.
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I just wanted to say a big Thank You dear Dutch Team! Your course is amazing :) I fell in love with the Dutch language!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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Me too!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/YCW0
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The Dutch course is great. I love the sense of humor. I have not laughed so much, nor reported hilarious sentences to my friends and family in any of the other courses I'm doing.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bookrabbit
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Definitely more ducks and maybe some rabbits please?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Susande
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Sure, but what about the poor rhino's, and don't forget the lawyer love story! And people talking to their beverages of course.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bookrabbit
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Oh yes, more rhinoseroseroseri, the more languages that have them the better. I want to be unable to spell that word in as many languages as possible.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LucBE
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You're out of luck with Dutch then. Rhinoceros = Neushoorn...
:-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xanaxandra

I need more ducks tobe able to watch Alfred J Kwak in Dutch

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SenorDustin
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After Dutch 2.0, is it too early to bring up Afrikaans for Dutch speakers?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lelieblad

Haha, this actually makes far more sense than Afrikaans for English speakers. As an English native, I'd love Afrikaans for Dutch speakers! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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Who knows? (I don't anyway, I'd love it though, for both Dutch and English speakers :D)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/efisgpr
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Or Frisian for when I meet Doutzen >: )

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/courtak
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yes for frisian.

2 years ago

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This is what I would like to see done, too.

2 years ago

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And maybe "Surinaams"

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/almusinsajo
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I thought afrikaans is like a dialect of dutch(?)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nierls
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It's a pidgin language derived from mainly Dutch but also several other languages like Malay, Portuguese and tribal languages.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/almusinsajo
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oh, i didn't know! Thanks! And i didn't expect it had a portuguese part

2 years ago

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I am a native Afrikaans speaker - the language evolved purely from Dutch.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lahure
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To SenorDustin. Go www.easyafrikaans.com

2 years ago

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Thanks Lahure, I have recently checked that course out due to another one of your posts. I haven't been able to find a lot of good websites, but if you ever make an official post here are my finest finds (most of which I can't take credit for finding):

http://www.openlanguages.net/afrikaans

https://www.mondlylanguages.com/

http://www.memrise.com/courses/english/afrikaans/

http://www.easyafrikaans.com/

http://www.pronunciator.com/window2.php (from some libraries)

http://www.surfacelanguages.com/language/Afrikaans

As good as all of these resources are, I still would love for Duolingo to jump on board. This course could be out of the incubator in a couple months.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eleonora188

That would be awesome!!! I would so do that course! long live krimpvarkie!!!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jcarlosmjr
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Maybe a lesson regarding separable words could be very helpful. I had quite the trouble until I figured out how words like "waarvoor" and "waarin" worked.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DavidRober898124

Separable verbs are the curse of learning Dutch. You can hear one part and by the time its partner arrives part one is forgotten! There is a case for providing a different section solely to tackle this.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/agl.learning

I'd like to see more daily life vocabulary. Vocabulary that perhaps a recent immigrant would find immediately useful; finding a dwelling,things about the dwelling, using public transport, finding a job, things about the job, shopping, etc...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Volkewin
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I'm only halfway up the tree, but I would suggest breaking down some sentences (like counting 11-20) into smaller ones.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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That's added to our to-do list! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SenorDustin
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Yes the paragraph exercises are killers when I'm doing timed practice. Breaking them down would be great.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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The longer sentences could be added in bonus lessons or move down the tree to the more advanced levels. But longer sentences are fun. Like this one: "Eindelijk stopte Jasper Cillessen vrijdag in de oefeninterland tegen Wales eens een strafschop, maar de doelman van Oranje kon daar amper van genieten. "

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheSnark
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Sure, but these sentences ruin time practice.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheQueenZerelda

screams internally for several minutes unhelpfully adds Yeah! Whoo! WHooo!!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Susande
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Whoo! Hooo!'s are never unhelpful! Your contribution is greatly appreciated.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheQueenZerelda

Ha ha, glad to hear it!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ori_ka
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I am not even halfway through my tree, so the only really frustrating thing is the Numbers skills with those super long sentences "twenty five is more than twenty four and twenty four is less than twenty seven and twenty seven is more than twenty two". :) Really boring to write them and really frustrating to get it wrong due to omitting some important letters. :) Otherwise I am truly in love with your tree - it is perfectly structured, the sentences are interesting, the skill's material is well covered the lessons. The sentences are not too easy what I find to be a rare thing on Duolingo, I hope you keep it this way. German tree which I was a bit more than a half through was too simplified and now, after the update, this first half has become totally tasteless. I tried to go through and make it gold again but writing "He says no" and "She says no" ten times in a row made me just delete the whole German course and add it again taking the placement test. Considering how really difficult the German sentences are in "real life" making the course so easy for at least half the tree is a time waste for the students. Just my opinion, but I really hope that Dutch won't make the same. Also making the skills shorter must be taken carefully. While it might be useful for skills with 10 lessons, don't make all of them just 1-3 lessons long, it makes the tree too long for no reason. Good luck to you with your work! Hope a truly awesome Dutch tree will become even better! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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The Numbers skills

I understand that this skill can be quite... frustrating. ;) We'll try to make that skill more attractive with new sentences!

Also making the skills shorter must be taken carefully. While it might be useful for skills with 10 lessons, don't make all of them just 1-3 lessons long, it makes the tree too long for no reason.

Don't worry, the longest skills will have 6 lessons. :)

Hope a truly awesome Dutch tree will become even better!

We'll try! :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Montalbano
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You might consider doing simple math skills, requiring us to answer. Gerti has 23 ducks. She gives Freek 18 ducks. How many ducks does Gerti have now?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mmgery
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Yes! This is a very good idea. I've been thinking about this for a while--also maybe some math vocabulary beyond the numbers, like plus and minus, etc.

2 years ago

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Agree that the numbers unit is somewhat tedious- the long lists of numbers is especially so!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iwc2ufan
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Yes, no more long lists of anything actually. They really hamper doing speed drills, which is my favorite way to review.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lostneedle

I may try to hold off on numbers until they have finished then, frustrating is not fun.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SirFurboy
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One thing that the French tree did that you don't have in the Dutch tree (at least not as far as I have gone with it) is tests where you are asked to select ALL correct answers and more than one is right. There are two types of sentence where this could happen. You could have a formal and informal solution, and you could have a singular and plural solution when translating from English "you".

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Katzenperson
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I agree! This would be very useful to have.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/deguo
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Really looking forward to the new tree. Do you know approximately how long it will take? I want to redo my tree but I'm not sure if it makes sense to start now or to wait it out.

Anyway, the skills I had trouble with were conjunctions,adjectives (for some reason I couldn't and still can't remember them all), te + inf., reflexives, and education. Anything above 5 or 6 lessons is too long of a skill in my opinion. As for new lessons, I think Dutch has a unique position in that it's spoken over a small geographical area, so this tree really has the ability to also teach parts of Dutch culture and issues. I'd love to see some skills for migration, the environment, bikes (as someone mentioned), Eurovision (Nederland, twaalf punten!), Flemish, etc.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JohnGalt2001

Yes, I go to Belgium regularly so Flemish bonus skills would be very nice.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/castironowl
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I would also be interested in Flemish bonus skills, as Belgian relatives are the reason I'm learning Dutch in the first place.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pam270596

Yes, I agree. This would be a great addition.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BenBenBenBe

maybe something on modal particles?

http://www.dutchgrammar.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=41

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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We've discussed this, but in the end we decided that Duolingo is not the right platform to learn these. For most modal particles, it's really impossible to properly convey the meaning without explanation, intonation or context.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Can we have an economy lesson or a few, with words like: Economie - economy Verdienen - earn / make Betaalwijze - payment method Consument - consumer online aankopen - online purchases werkloosheid - unemployment brouwer - brewer groei - growth Staking - strike banen schrappen - cut jobs Moederbedrijf - Owner Autoriteit Consument & Markt (ACM) - bewuster gaan kiezen - De toezichthouder is een campagne gestart om het bewustzijn te vergroten. (De toezichthouder = ) Twee miljoen mensen hebben inbox op MijnOverheid (inbox op MijnOverheid = ) Daarmee kan onder meer met de Belastingdienst worden gecorrespondeerd. (onder meer = ) ... en de allerlaatste blauwe envelop bij de fiscus de deur uitgaat. (de allerlaatste = the very last) (blauwe envelop = blue envelope) (fiscus = tax authorithy) De prijs is daarbij de belangrijkste drijfveer. (drijfveer = Motivator) (daarbij = ) * De ACM heeft naar eigen zeggen de afgelopen tijd veel aandacht besteed aan een goede informatievoorziening (naar eigen zeggen = ), (de afgelopen tijd = ) (een goede informatievoorziening = )

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SwagDutchy

Would it be possible to add specific bonus skills like Idioms Phrases, but also incredibly specific things like Car Parts, Internet Slang, Incredibly Long Words (As a bit of a goof!), and maybe even some.. Swear Words?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Montalbano
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Skills that won't appear as part of the tree, unless we chose to go down that path. Or it could be a side trip to read an essay about something and answer questions.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ppelk
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I would like to see a bit more drills with verbs for the past tense(s). Adjectives are also really important, can't have too much of them. On the other hand, I don't think you need two 'NL' skills - one would be enough. I bit of humour here and there is good, but 1-2 duck jokes is enough for me :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Ziektes

Menselijk lichaam

kruisband, meniscus, heup, navelstreng, nageboorte, sperma, bloed, spuug, slijm, tranen.

Analyse / kwaal (wat scheelt eraan)

Lichamelijk.

zwak, ziek, misselijk, moe, pijn, gevoelig, koorts, rillerig, slaperig, geeuwen, overgeven, flauwvallen, struikelen, verkoudheid, rokershoestje, spierpijn, (sport)blessure, schaafwond, hoofdpijn, bloeduitstorting, blauwe plek, snijwond, breuk, breken, gebroken, gekneusd, uit de kom, diaree, hersenbloeding, beroerte, TIA, hart ritme storing, hartaanval, hartstilstand,

Geestelijk Humeurig, huilerig, overspannen, burn-out, psychisch (depressie, angsten, fobiën, ADHD, autisme, aggressief, passief),

kanker, (borstkanker, maagkanker, longkanker)

TBC, de pest, Aids,

hartaanval,

stabiliseren, kijkoperatie, eerste hulp

sterfhulpbegeleiding,euthanasie. Abortus, menstruatie, vrouwenkwaaltje, ouderdomsgebreken, bijziend, verziend. alcoholisme,

Bestrijding stretchen, warming-up, cooling down, preventie, correctie, laxatie, bye-pass operatie, ziekenhuis, nabehandeling, straling, chemokuur, rolstoel, hart-longmachine, kunstmatige beademing, rolstoel, looprek, verband

Medicijnen Placebo, pijnstillers, kalmeringsmiddelen, zetpil, oraal, anaal, infuus

Mee leren leven, Fysiotherapie

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/YCW0
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I would like to see some of the "practice saying it" exercises on the Mobile version. All of the other courses I am doing have that, but I haven't seen it a single time in the Dutch course. Not that it's all that valuable, as Duolingo can't really tell if you're saying it correctly or not. It's nice for the variety, though.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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That's unfortunately something we can't change.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MickeytheGreat
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Aw you can't change it? I don't even think we need speech recognition, the main thing I would want is to have an exercise where I speak it and it just marks me right, if that makes sense. I want to be reminded to speak ;)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Timo82168

I simply try to repeat every dutch sentence that gets thrown at me in practice

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/welleg

I need to start doing that more. Irish is the only one of my languages I do that with regularly because I wouldn't remember how to pronounce anything otherwise with that crazy alphabet.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sigmacharding
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Tree rearrangement as with the German tree.

Limit skill length to 6 skills- splitting longer skills and hence learned the verb tenses sooner.

It would be great if each lesson could have a vocabulary and grammar point (Esperanto does this a little- very useful)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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Limit skill length to 6 skills

Planned! :)

It would be great if each lesson could have a vocabulary and grammar point (Esperanto does this a little- very useful)

This could be very confusing for some learners, so I'll ask the others about it :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HappyEvilSlosh
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Limit skill length to 6 skills

Planned! :)

Awesome. That was the suggestion I came here to make too.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Neptunium
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I haven't completed the tree yet. I hope you don't mind if I make a few comparisons with the German tree because a) it's the only tree I've completed and b) grammatically, it's pretty similar to Dutch.

It'd be great to have more verbs in various tenses. One problem I've had with the German tree is that you learn a lot of verbs throughout the tree in the present tense, but you only learn a small selection of them in the various other tenses.


This lesson really should be split into at least three: https://www.duolingo.com/skill/dn/Te-%2B-infinitive-verbs

A lot of new topics are introduced in that lesson with little or no explanation in the Tips and Notes e.g. the use of "om", the difference between "hangen", "liggen", "lopen", "staan" and "zitten" in the continuous, what exactly a 'verbable' and how it is formed (this is especially frustrating - it so so different from English and the translations are paraphrased so differently that it's extremely difficult to figure out how it works) etc. Since I haven't completed the tree yet I cannot be sure that this hasn't already been done, but it would also be helpful if those sentence structures were spread elsewhere throughout the tree - they're so different to anything in English that the require a lot of practice.


Does Dutch have anything like the special subjunctive? Even after the revision, the German tree only teaches the general subjunctive, and doesn't mention the special subjunctive at all.


One thing I noticed from reading the English-for-Dutch-speakers-course forums, a lot of people complained that either a) Duolingo's sentence didn't sound 'native' Dutch, or b) their sentence (which they believed to be the most natural) wasn't accepted, to which someone replied that their sentence was a dialect. Would it be possible to have a mention of "In some dialects, ___ is also used; although it's considered substandard" in the notes? Even if you only plan to speak standard Dutch, knowing the substandard variants and knowing exactly how widespread or accepted they are is still extremely useful information.


Thanks for all the hard work! I may be moving to the Netherlands very soon, so I'll have to try to finish the tree before you update it!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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I am a dutch native speaker. Actually there are not so many dutch local languages (dialects) , with their own words, but some dutch sentences in this course are very strange, i agree. I suspect that they are either written by a computer or by a non-native dutch speaker. But talking about dutch dialects, lately i worked in Belgium and i noticed that there, in the flemish dialect, the word order is often surprising to me. In Belgium, they also have a few words that are typical flemish, so a lesson or two with typical flemish things / sentences, is appreciated

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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It'd be great to have more verbs in various tenses

I agree!

Te

We know the te skill is a hard one, we'll try to improve that one.

Subjunctive

There was a subjunctive form in the Dutch language, but now it is only used in some set phrases. It's not as important as in other languages.

Dialect

The non-accepted translations are mostly Flemish, and we're working on that too :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/legalskier

I may be very late to the game here, but it would be helpful to have a lesson(s) exclusively on idioms - primarily so I can know the difference between a saying, and a weird duolingo sentence (e.g. opa is een schaap).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrider99
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Maybe a bonus skill for Flemish? I know the course says (Netherlands), but it might be cool to have a little bonus skill for Flemish

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/silverthornfire
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That is only for the android version apparently. They fixed this on the PC several months ago and also on the iphone version. I had an update for android today but still it's not fixed. sigh.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mateus_Sann
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Agree on that! We could have at least a lesson showing the most common misunderstood expressions.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BartiBar
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Heel veel succes met uw nieuwe boom versie! Ik wacht op het! =D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SvenDK
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Ik kijk er naar uit.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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Dank u! Wij wachten ook op jullie boom, die zal echt geweldig zijn! =D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lostneedle

Hmm, not sure if this would change the distribution of nl to en exercises but a little less point to the picture bits and a little more having to write words in dutch both from written and spoken form, some of them are a bit unbalanced with certain words, I still haven't learned breakfast :/

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/silverthornfire
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I also see 'aan de hand' a lot in subtitles on TV and haven't come across it at all on Duo yet. It means 'What's the matter?' Seems to be quite a useful sentence to know...??

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LuffyKappa
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It means: What's going on or What's the matter. Most dutch say it this way: Wat is er aan de hand ?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/silverthornfire
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Yes, but what I'm saying is that it's not been in the course as yet.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wh1skers

Ooh, new voice? Sweet. Looking forward to hearing it. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Susande
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That something that is not linked to the Tree 2.0 and is something we're also desperately waiting for. Apparently we're in the queue for getting a new voice, but I expect this to take a while.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wh1skers

That's alright, it's nice to know that it's somewhere on the horizon at least. :D The current voice is mostly ok, though there have been a few sentences / words where it's been very difficult (or even impossible) to tell for sure what was being said.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Susande
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And there are some more annoying things, for instance the odd accent of the voice (there are way more natural text to speech voices around, such as our candidate to replace the current one). Also with the current voice it's often hard to hear the difference between the marked and unmarked pronouns (e.g. je vs. jij) which is not really the case with human speakers. In Duolingo this last thing is not so crucial, but in everyday life it is (in general emphasis is more important to determine what people actually mean, compared to Duolingo). So it's better to prepare Duolinguists with being able to properly recognise the difference between the two.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Wh1skers

Yeah, that makes sense - I have noticed that a lot of the time it's impossible to tell whether the voice is saying 'je' or 'jij' in normal speed, and only becomes noticeable in slow speed.

Oh well. You guys can only do what you can do. You're doing a great job so far anyway - I've had access to Rosetta Stone's course on Dutch before and can honestly say I've found this course to be much better. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nikanokoi
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And listening to the duo voice I had no idea the -en endings and most of the "e" and "ij" in unstressed syllables are pronounced like [ə]. I'd be so happy if that is possible to fix.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sheeniejay

I agree. Last night, and on other occasions, I've found it really hard to work out what the voice is saying - nothing to do with not knowing the word or knowing how it's pronounced, simply the result of an automated voice making the word stilted or unclear. A real voice would solve this.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ggcfromgermany
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It would be very nice if you could add the fluency percentage like for Spanish, French and German. Those help to motivate me!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HoneyBadger1016

Wow, is it like Update-A-Duolingo-Tree day? Irish also got updated!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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(Maybe we got ours three days ago and we didn't find any time to make this post ;) )

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/alexinIreland
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(Maybe Irish also got updated three days ago and Alex posted it in the Irish FB group but Alex forgot to post it in the forums and now Alex is questioning his use of the third person when referring to himself :P Sorry for the late updates everyone!)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexinNotTurkey
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Unless you are talking about me, in which case it is fine, Alex :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HoneyBadger1016

:D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zmrzlina
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And us Swedes got it too. Seems like Duolingo readied several courses for 2.0 at once. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Redelll
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maybe more casual and more tips and notes

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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What exactly do you mean with "more casual"?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Redelll
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I mean "more colloquial words" and more realistic sentences. I'm sorry :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WordFitlySpoken
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Hmmm...the modals? (I think that's what they're called anyway, the "toch," "wel" and all that) I don't know if you could do that, but it'd be super helpful.

More word order exercises would be awesome, too. I don't know if there's a way you could do a specific word order skill, towards the end of the tree, with just a focus on arranging all those words we've learned, but that'd be cool.

I may think of more ideas soon...but thanks so much!

EDIT: I just noticed above about the modals. Sorry.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WordFitlySpoken
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Okay, looking over the tree and trying to remember what I found difficult and etc.:

  • The education skill gave me the most trouble. So many big words I just could not seem to remember, and so many lessons in the skill, too...maybe breaking this up a bit?
  • Objects and government were other ones that were really long with a lot of new nouns to remember.
  • The "te + infinitive" section with all the "hij loopt te zingen" and when to use or not use "om te ___" and etc. was really confusing to me as well.
  • The "er" skill was hard to understand as well, but I don't know that you guys could really make it any clearer, haha. I actually just went back to review it this week and fairly flew through the timed practice--and all that "muscular comfort" with it was just from reading a lot of Dutch.
2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Susande
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Thanks, very useful feedback. The education skill is a known problematic skill, it's on our to-do list to improve it. And regarding er that will always be a pain point for anyone learning Dutch, but we can definitely put some extra effort in that skill, see if we can find a way to make it just a bit less hard.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dinnernugget
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WOOO!! And two things!

One: I think the course would benefit from more "around the house" things and a better overview/more usage of the "er" words (erin, hierdoor, etc). Both are really important to know, and especially the latter kind of gets lost in the noise.

And two: For what it's worth, the Dutch course has the best TTS out of the courses I've used! Never had issues understanding anything despite zero real prior experience with the language. I have no problems with a new one if it's good, but make sure it's worth it to swap - the current one has been nothing but great for me!

Tot de nieuwe Nederlandse boom!

EDIT: While I'm here might as well add this. No idea why this happens, but my Dutch "badge" on comments always displays a level three levels lower than what it actually is. Any reason why?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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"Around the house" things

Several new "Around the house" things are coming!

"er"

We are trying to revamp the er skill, the Pronominal Adverbs (erin, hierdoor, etc.) included.

TTS

The current TTS is understandable, but there are many mistakes that should not be made. :)

Dutch "badge"

That's something we can't change, it has been so since the course was released. :/

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dinnernugget
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Thank you for the update! Looking forward to Dutch 2.0...hopefully in enough time that I can finish Russian first though.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Olga451165
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Lieve hulp!!!! Dios mio!!! Is it Christmas or my birthday??? Because this is what i've been hoping for!!! Yes! New tree!! Not that i don't love the current one.. But I'm almost done and i want to learn more on duo!! So yes COULD NOT BE HAPPIER!!

I'll think about what i can suggest more tomorrow, but at the top of my head, the thing that is most missing for me (unless its in the last 2 skills that i haven't reached yet) is some slang, phrases that don't make sense unless a native explains them (like "laat maar" ="let but " some how means "never mind", maybe a whole skill for the word " maar" lol) AND most I'm missing a skill for all those magical words that have no meaning on their own but i seem to see them everywhere (like: toch, wel,nou,mee,even,hoor) i might be able to understand sometimes that they stress something.. But no idea when and where to use them on my own.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Olga451165
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Ok, I looked at the current tree and here's where I had difficulties-

Skill "Feelings". In my opinion this should have been in one of the first 10 skills. I didnt know how to say " happy" for few months until i got to it. I was looking the most to getting to that skill, and when i did it was kinda too late, i learned so many words that it was hard to remember the words in that skill.. They all sounded kinda the same to me and didn't stand out enough to be easily memorable.. So i still don't remember 70% of that skill. If it was one of the firsts i think it'd have been easier to remmember.

The "conjunctions" skill - it is super important and i think it should be bigger and more focus on the word order, some words trigger order change, some don't..

More verbs please in present and past.. I just stambled upon the word "deed" and didn't know it.. And it's kinda basic.

Skill for breakable verbs. Sometimes when reading text and coming across such case it's hard to translate that sentence because it's hard to guess that 2 words make 1 word. For exmple " hou je je vast aan me" i couldn't figure out how all these words cone together until Charlotte told me it's from "vasthouden"

And finally, this is a long shot, but i wish there were some kind of random skill/test where you get random sentences from all the skills you passed. Some people said the have it in "strenght skills" but from my personal experience it just plays the first skill that isn't gold, so maybe there is an option to add such a thing.

And maybe a super fun skill of "het of de" muhaha

Super greatful for your effort!!! It means the world!

2 years ago

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First of all thanks for the great work and effort so far, it really made me enjoy my first steps.

My wishes for the course might be centered around my reason for starting to learn the language, going on holiday to the Netherlands, but I think the following skills would be very helpful and interesting:

  1. Smalltalk, really just some phrases bundled like, "I'm from x/Y years old. Pleased to met you..."
  2. Shopping "How much is this.", "Do you have Z.", names of shops and products
  3. Restaurant, just the proper phrases to ask politly for food, drinks, opening times or the bathroom.
  4. Transport that evolves a bit more around phrases for buying tickets, switching transport, timetables.
  5. More vocab around food and cooking.

I've been able to extract most of the information during the course, but it sometimes was a bit frustrating, since I found them very far down the tree and had to "extract" them without having the chance to train it in context.

Also often I was left wondering if it would really be the proper and polite way to phrase it.

When I finally went to the Netherlands I really enjoyed being able to understand many things, but also quite lost regarding my basic touristy needs and general conversation.

Luckily the Dutch were very nice and most of the time happily communicated in English and German. I just wish I wouldn't have to rely on it so much.

Mo

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/azevedof
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I think Tree 2.0 should have a unit to distinguish words in single vowel and words in doble vowel. It is hard to identify and learn how to pronounce properly if we don't learn these kind of words side by side. Words like: man/maan, zon/zoon, mand/maand...etc

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kumatangz
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More ducks and more diverse skills.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Een les over de tuin, met woorden als:

Tuinieren Grasmaaien, bloembollen planten, bladeren opruimen, snoeien, overplanten, bijknippen,

Overige activiteiten zonnen, luieren, barbequeen, kampvuur, kamperen,

Tuinmeubilair hekwerk, plantenbak, zandbak, borders, composthoop, vijver, schommel, klimrek, glijbaan, paardenbak, tuinkabouter, frutsels, parasol, tuinhuisje, schep, laarzen, snoeimes

Planten in de tuin Onkruid, planten, struiken, bomen, gras, onkruid, mos, kastanjeboom, perenboom, bloembollen, voorjaarsplanten, winterharde planten, heg, varens, rozen, dorens, klimplanten, brandnetels, paardenbloemen, zonnebloemen, boterbloemen, madeliefjes, vergeetmenietjes, kamperfoelie, takken, bladeren

Dieren in de tuin: ongedierte, wormen, insecten, bijen, wespen, muggen, vliegen, spinnen, wespennest, sprinkhaan, lieveheerstbeestje,

Zoogdieren eekhoorn, muizen, ratten, mol, molshoop, steenmarter, boommarter, konijn, geit, schaap, paard, pony, lama, hamster

vogels in de tuin, ekster, roofvogel, zangvogel, roodborstje, vink, lijster, merel, spreeuw, (huis)mus, meeuw, reiger, ooievaar, kraai

Vijver karper, witvissen, baars, paling, kikker, salamander

Overige woorden hekwerk, slachten, voer, tuinman, mest, lawaaioverlast, burenruzie, zonlicht, schaduw, vochtig, nat, kleuren en geuren,

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tastysquidgey

Can I just ask why you can't add a words tab? Is it really long to do or something?

2 years ago

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The volunteers who work on the content (words, lessons, skills) in courses created in the Incubator are not developers for Duolingo and do not and cannot work on website features.

This includes the words tab, immersion, creating new types of exercises, etc. We also have nothing to do with adding new languages to the Incubator (we can suggest them ourselves, but in the end it's up to Duolingo).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Db243
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Maybe a moderator can tell us what the organizational hierarchy is and how it works? Simius alludes to this a bit, but only mentions moderators and Duolingo and the engineers.

Who is at the top, their responsibilities and so on and so forth? Are volunteers also moderators? I have been confused by comments in this thread as to what can be done by who and what can not be done.

I see in the OP's comment there is a new voice coming, I have also read this is not so in a comment in another thread.

I still see no difference in my Dutch Tree either, is there a date for this change?

2 years ago

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I don't know too much about the internal hierarchy at Duolingo, just that there are multiple teams working on different aspects of it. For example, there's an Incubator team, a web app team, a mobile app team, community team and a few more I think.

I believe there are only three staff members working on the Incubator developer team? In any case, this means that they don't have the capacity to do everything that gets requested in addition to maintaining and improving the Incubator.

Then there are Incubator and forum moderator volunteers. The Incubator volunteers all applied to be either contributors or course moderators. Course contributors help out with maintaining or building a course, that's it. Course moderators do the same and are kind of the team leaders for the course, but it's nothing strict. They can invite new contributors and make certain changes to the courses that regular contributors cannot.

The forum moderators are also volunteers as I said above. They work towards maintaining a positive atmosphere in the general Duolingo community by keeping the forums on topic and free of anything that goes against the community guidelines.

Note that all contributors are also forum moderators in their respective forums. This post is in the Dutch forum, so all of us Dutch course contributors have the green moderator badges.

Regarding the new voice: a new voice is somewhere down the line. We have no guarantees as to when it will be implemented. It might be before the new tree is released, or it might be after. That's up to the people I mentioned in the second paragraph.

The new Dutch tree is being worked on. I would give it at least three or four months before it's released in an A/B test.

Hope my explanation was helpful! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Db243
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Thanks for the reply, I understand now that the 2.0 Tree is a work in progress and not ready now(the OP got my hopes up), pity about the voice coming later than sooner ;-{

Being an IT guy myself, I understand the logistics of a project like this, but was wondering more about the decision making process/hierarchy.

Again, thanks for the explanation!

2 years ago

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Also, in the About page, you can see all of the Duolingo staff.

As course contributors, we are only in direct contact with the community team, and with the incubator team. It's very hard for us to get in touch with the people who, for example, work on the website or on the mobile apps. That means that a lot of the time, we know as little as anyone else about upcoming changes or the internal decision-making process of Duolingo.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tastysquidgey

Okay, thanks!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EmmanuelBouh
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I've actually only started the course today, so I don't know what bonus skills are there (or if there are bonus skills at all), but I would love a Christmas bonus skill!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Science_Yay

There aren't any so far

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Oudeman

Thank you so much for filling up every spare minute of my day. When you say "We cannot change the distribution of (NL-EN) exercises" Does that mean you are not able to put a question out there (in Dutch) with a multiple choice answer(in Dutch)? I mean, maybe after the last check point or something. Every once in a while. You could ask a question written in Dutch and we would have to choose an answer written in Dutch. Something simple like "Welke kleuren staan op de Nederlandse vlag?" or something. I don't know. It might help train the brain to think in Dutch a little more instead of just translating all the time.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/El2theK
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It means that we as moderators have no influence on what exercises you get. We only take care of the sentences and their translations, as well as some support on the forum.

So for example, if you get 10 exercises we have no control how many of those are listening, translate to English, translate to Dutch, speaking, multiple choice.

I like your idea of answering questions. However, that again is not something we as moderators have any control over.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/filipferdi

Hoi! greeting from Indonesia (also known as Nederlands-Indie LOL). i'm a new user for the dutch course. I find it very useful. I hope there will be more words covered. 3000 words in the future maybe?

I want to suggest skills, cultural things about Indos (since there are a lot of Indos there) such as rijstafel, etc. Everyday objects like windshield, etc., Shopping, Emergency situations, Swearing , Cooking Transportation, Academics,

I want to thank the team for this great course. In the future i expect to speak dutch with my old relatives who in fact still speaks Dutch here!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Taxes, words related to taxes. Lots of english speaking people here are expats who have to pay dutch taxes. The dutch "Belastingdienst" uses formal language, but they try to make it as easy as possible (gemakkelijker kunnen we het niet maken). But the call center they use (de belastingtelefoon) only speaks dutch. So to be able to understand these tax people some dutch words are needed. Words like: kosten, opbrengsten, aftrekposten, belastinginspecteur, BTW, vrijstellingen, vermogen, kinderbijslag, alimentatie, kilometerkostenvergoeding, bezwaarschrift. etc.

Belastingen. Woorden die je nodig hebt een om Nederlands belastingbiljet te begrijpen en in het Nederlands in te vullen.

Maybe as a bonus skill.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FloortjeNED

Nederlandse spreekwoorden are always a good one to throw in there as a bonus skill

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Susande
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That bonus skill is planned, but it will take a while, because the team is currently focussing on tree version 2.0.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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ja, spreekwoorden en uitdrukkingen zoals: na regen komt zonneschijn. Zoete broodjes bakken. Van heinde en verre, op z'n elf en dertigst. Door weer en wind. Zonder slag of stoot, met twee vingers in z'n neus. Iemand een poot uittrekken. Of gewoon voor het lapje houden. Maak dat de kat wijs. Het over een andere boeg gooien, uit een ander vaatje tappen. Vechten tegen de bierkaai.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NickKoop16

As its been around a year since the original post, I am just wondering how far away from completion are we? Not heard much in terms of BETA, could be my mistake, or has the Dutch 2.0 been shelved?

Would appreciate an update. Thanks for all your efforts :)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Hi Nick, we're pretty close to launching the new tree, probably in a couple of weeks. Then it will first be A/B tested among a random group of users, to see how it measures up to the old version.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NickKoop16

Thanks for the update, I'm looking forward to it!

Good luck with the testing.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gregory75008
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This is good news. I finished the first branch about a week ago, and then met an old friend who is Dutch, but the only thing I could think of to say to him when prompted to show-off what I had learned was "Mijn neushoorn heeft mijn shildpad gegeten"

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ryannichols7
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nice!!! a new 2.0 tree on duolingo is always an exciting thing

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ryannichols7
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what are the skill/lesson expansion numbers looking like?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FirstTiger
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Just about to finish the tree, only thing I still have trouble with is the would/should/could/must verb forms; I think some of the "vocabulary" lessons later in the tree could also review that stuff.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sid-the-squid

Less ambiguous pictures for the match word to picture questions? Some of skirt and dress ones are so similar it's impossible to tell them apart!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nikkesen
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I see that a few people have suggested everyday vocabulary. It would be good if it was it divided into more specialized sections, such as "house", "outdoors", maybe more tech stuff. More everyday verbs would be awesome too! Thanks for replying to my last suggestion!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ikbenmirre

There's going to be a new voice right? I am Dutch myself but I have a friend who is learning Dutch here on Duolingo and I noticed that the audio voice is horrible. What is it going to sound like?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Yes, there will be one eventually. We've asked for Ruben, from IVONA.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas_More77
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Please add Dutch immersion when you can. Thank you! :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sheeniejay

Maybe a chapter on tricky Dutch things like 'wel' and verbs with prepositions such as 'smaken naar' 'hopen op' enz I love Duolingo as it helps me to keep going over previously learned knowledge and learn things which traditional teachers didn't tell me. Manageable for the working people like me! Will you expand it to more advanced Dutch - sorry, I'm quite passionate/obsessive about Dutch - it's a tough language but I'm determined to be advanced as soon as I can (ik ben niet geduldig, helaas!). Maybe, a few years in the future, even bilingual???

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MickeytheGreat
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I don't think you guys can add this, but I don't know where else I would suggest this. I really think you should bring back the challenges, where you can compete against another person in your language. It was the best thing, and it was a really good way to encourage the friends that you are forcing to learn on Duolingo ;) I think something kind of like the app QuizUp would be amazing. Thank you!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tomlingner
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I just want to say that I LOVED the Dutch tree, and I have confidence that if the same people are working on the 2.0 tree, it will also be good. I have gone from absolute beginner to knowing how to say many things in Dutch. It's amazing - daily practice helps learning! :)

Also, I did the French tree and found it to be utterly humorless and filled with egregious mistakes. It was horrible. In comparison, the Dutch tree was like an addicting game, and I'm looking forward to learning even more, but a part of me will really miss the growling way the voice on my iPad says "mijn." I will forever hear the word that way in my head, and will probably try to pronounce it that way when next I travel to the Netherlands. Ha!

Thanks for making language learning fun! (And free!)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lahure
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Can you possibly show my Dutch level as being permanently at 25 perhaps? It varies between 24 and 25 very often .Yet I had the owl and well over 30 000 XP. Of all the courses I have done yours has been the most enjoyable by a long way, without doubt! Took a lot of work to get there and am not sure that anybody has done so yet according to Kai's HOF.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/welleg

Apologies if this has already been asked, but is there any possibility of adding a fluency score, like the one for French? I feel like in the long run, it would be more helpful than levels. I'm also a math/science person that likes ways of having everything quantified.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SvenDK
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Iets meer aandacht bij de keuze van woorden om typisch noord Nederlands te vermijden. Geef toe, wat is de kans dat er een Nederlands(Vlaanderen) komt.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Typisch noord-Nederlands is natuurlijk ook fout, gewoon melden zou ik zeggen. En ik heb begrepen dat er meer aandacht besteed gaat worden aan belgisch - vlaams. Welke woorden of uitdrukkingen stel je voor?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SvenDK
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David, weet je of er plannen zijn voor Nederlands <=> Duits? Kan jij dat op de duolingo incubator agenda laten zetten?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Ik ben er ook sterk voor om een Nederlands - Duitse cursus te maken. Ik leer nu Duits via Engels en daardoor leer ik ook veel Engels natuurlijk, kan ook geen kwaad, maar toch Nederlands - Duits en omgekeerd Duits - Nederlands natuurlijk, maar vooruitlopend daarop kun je wel alvast alle woorden in het Nederlands opnemen die nu al in de cursus "I want to learn German" zitten. Of uit de cursus : Ich will Englisch lernen". Dat zijn vaak veel gebruikte woorden zoals uit de categorie dieren "vlinder, kever, giraf" etc Verder veel gebruikte woorden die je bijvoorbeeld tegen komt op een site als NU.nl http://www.nu.nl/ Woorden als Doping, vertrouwen, hervormingen, "aan te pakken", Fractieleiders, lek, aanhoudingen, hoger beroep, Chronologie, nablussen. Etc. dat zou eentueel in een bonusles "Nieuws" opgenomen kunnen worden. Doel zou moeten zijn dat de cursisten na afloop in staat zouden moeten zijn om eigenlijk alles te kunnen lezen van nu.nl. Voor de hogereniveau's kun je dan kijken bij de Volkskrant. http://www.volkskrant.nl/ met woorden als: "een voormalig militair" (of zou het voormaligE moeten zijn), nertsen, asielzoeker, eenkindpolitiek, zwager, onethisch handelen, bedrijf, inschakelen, verbouwing, bouwbedrijf, "gang van zaken"

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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Hierover weet ik jammer genoeg even weinig als jullie :/

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SenorDustin
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Great news! I have been awaiting a new announcement on the 2.0 tree. Thanks a ton Dutch team!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JeffHK
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Can't wait to hear the new voice!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ketoacidosis
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I haven't gone through my entire Dutch tree, so I'm not sure if this is covered, but I would love some cycling vocab/ sentences. I always hear about how prominent cycling is in the Netherlands, and I'd love to go do some cycling there.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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I see a beautiful bonus skill :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Scarblac

Mijn trapper raakte de grond in de bocht. Er zat een slag in mijn wiel. Ik sloeg af voordat de politie zag dat mijn licht stuk was. Die toerist liep op het fietspad. En natuurlijk: mijn fiets was gejat, ik heb een nieuwe gekocht voor een tientje.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MamaMieke

I remember biking down the wrong path in Gouda and a woman said to me-indignantly "dit is niet en fietspad mevrouw!"

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheSnark
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Dit is geen fietspad, mevrouw!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Zmrzlina
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That's so Dutch! I love it!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Middleton27

an entire bike skill what is this

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/welleg

Where are the bonus skills? I'm not seeing them, but that could just be me being slow (or tired).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aki_Nguyen
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Hey David (if I guessed your name correctly)! How to get the bonus skill? I finished the tree but no any bonus skills appeared yet.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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Hi Aki! The bonus skills are ready, but we're not able to make them available (yet). Now you know as much as we do. :P

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Words like: fiets, stuur, bel, zadel, reflector, achterband lek, fietsenmaker, slot, gestolen, achterlicht, voorlicht, fietsroutes, racefiets, mountainbike, stadsfiets, OV-fiets, fietspad. Bromfiets, snorfiets, scooter, helm, regenjas, tegenwind. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nikanokoi
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Gestolen? Does this happen? :(

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/linguafrancesca

I live in Germany but very close to the Dutch border, and even where I live bike theft is extremely common. I guess it just comes naturally as a part of the huge bike culture in the Netherlands. I have heard that if you don't double lock your bicycle in Amsterdam, it will almost assuredly be stolen. We have taken to always double locking our bicycles just to be safe, but my husband's bicycle was recently stolen anyways. People from the Netherlands apparently steal them (in Germany too) and resell them in the Netherlands. I think there is something like 2 bikes for every person in the Netherlands now overall.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nikanokoi
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Haha, so cute when the Dutch and Germans blame each other for bike theft :3

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/linguafrancesca

I'm not denying that Germans also steal bikes, but we were specifically talking about Dutch bike theft

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/YvonneJanssen

As a person who lived in amsterdam, one pro tip, allways remember to not only lock your bike to something fixed, but also lock your front wheel to the rest of your bike! else they will just steal the part that isn't locked and steel the missing part from an other bike!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/courtak
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waarheid.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Martijn350416

You are totally right, but there is another option to prevent theft: Make it look asif it will fall apart as soon as you try to get onto it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Db243
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My bike was crap, utter crap chain always fell off, causing my to fall and hit my genitals on the bar. I left it unlocked for a week or so, it finally went away

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nierls
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Yes, it happens to people who forget to lock their bikes or park them in easy-to-steal-from places, it's not expensive to buy a new bike though, quite a few people sell bikes for €10-€5 in big cities (you can guess where they got those).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eleonora188

I lived in Amsterdam for a few years... my bike got stolen aproximately every six months, so you can imagine I never spent much on bying a new one... To make me feel less bad about it, I always imagined all Amsterdammers were playing an elaborate game of bike tag: I steal your bike, you steal mine etc. it makes the whole thing seem more sweet :P

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NiaRoberts5
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(I'm going to try this in Dutch so be gentle with me!) Een keer, jaren geleden, had ik mijn fiets op slot bij het HS station gelaten. Toen ik terugkwam, de fiets bleef daar, maar het slot was gestolen! Ik voelde me erg beledigd!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JeffHK
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Hong Kong is to umbrellas what Amsterdam is to bikes. Years ago when I first moved to the city I spent a lot of time at a university library. There was an umbrella rack, always overflowing with umbrellas, at the entrance. I was always very worried about losing my umbrella until my friend Jon introduced me to the concept of the "universal, infinite umbrella exchange"- you had only to donate one umbrella and you were subsequently guaranteed access to any umbrella for life.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DJvdZ
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I second your cycling bonus skill suggestion!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Hi,

I noticed that Belgium and Flanders is almost out of scope in this course and that is a pity because there is so much culture there and they also speak dutch so maybe a few lessons can be made with words related to Belgium.

Ik merk dat dit wel een beetje een Hollands feestje is, met woorden als Waddeneilanden, Overijssel. Misschien zou een les over Belgie / Vlaanderen toegevoegd kunnen worden. Met woorden als: Vlaanderen, Wallonië, Brussel, Antwerpen, Luik, Bastenaken, Namen, Gent, Hasselt, Charleroi, Brugge, Eerste wereldoorlog, gemeenschappen, taalgrens, begijnhoven, Art Nouveau, Manneke Pis,

Zinnen als: * Ook de scheepsliften bij La Louvière zijn werelderfgoed.

  • Bekende Belgische folklore, zoals de Gilles van Binche, het Ros Beiaard van Dendermonde, de Heilig-Bloedprocessie van Brugge of de Ommegang van reuzen te Antwerpen, trekt ook veel toeristen.

Foto's kunnen uit de wikipedia worden toegevoegd, dat is licence free.

Voor meer inspiratie kan hier gekeken worden: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgi%C3%AB

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kai_E.
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We are already in the process of adding more Belgium related vocabulary.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dinnernugget
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One more thing! Some of the vocab and grammar concepts only really get used in the lessons they're introduced in. Probably the main example is 'Feelings' - so many really useful that never get repeated later on in the course.

Anyway, just keep in mind that it'd be great to have an even distribution of words throughout the tree, so they're not only found in one or two lessons!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GeorgeMaxw3
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Turtles were a big amusement through my earlier experience with the course... they sort of disappeared after a while though... so more turtles too!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Don6740
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Oh, no!!! let's have more useful vocabulary.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Science_Yay

Meer schildpadden!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/no100per

meer zinnen, meer zinnen en meer zinnen. It is very annoying when you get the same sentence again and again in a single run. Why does the american always wear white, red and blue but not the spaniard sometimes red and yellow. Just a little more variance would improve (at least my) motivation enourmously.


And further: no more vocabulary since what is there is already enough to understand a sentence structure. When I read dutch text I obviously sometimes miss a single word but thats what dictionaries are for, does not need the course for that. Rather more cross-linking between skills.

One more thing: please make things like wij/we, zij/ze and so on equivalent in the hearing execises, at least under the current voice there is not much audible difference and its just an annoiance to get it wrong altough it is not really wrong.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/leeohny

Hi, I love the Dutch tree, it is so much fun! Can't wait for the imrovements though :) I agree with most people on adding a little bit more variety in each skill, so to not have to repeat the same sentence again and again. Also, it would be awesome to have to translate mostly from english to dutch to improve writing practice. I feel like most times I'm typing in the english translation. More speaking exercises would also be appreciated! Keep up the great work!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nodkoti
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some exercises to differentiate "Het" from "De" would be nice :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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That is vocabulary. You will get more exercises if you make mistakes.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ikbenmirre

The problem with that is there is no rule for that. You simply have to learn the words with the article. So exercise and practise will do the job. I'd also recommend talking to/ chatting with a native speaker.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CapnLee

One thing I would like is just a lot more variation in the sentences for each lesson. I find that I am able to read just a part of the sentence and simply recall the sentence that it translates to.

For example, "de jongens eet geen rijst" but if sometimes they weren't eating oranges or pork or if sometimes they were old men or girls it would add a lot.

I'm not sure whether the limitations you are coming up against are with how many sentences Duolingo will support per lesson or whether it is just that writing these variations take a lot of time that could be spent better elsewhere, but I would really appreciate simply more variations of sentences.

I am incredibly grateful for the work the Dutch Team has put in to this course, thank you.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElinaKock
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Yes please! It is better for learning to have to actually read the sentence, than it is to develop a strategy of remembering certain sentences ^^

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MickeytheGreat
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One suggestion: please don't add those matching exercises that French and Spanish have, they aren't helpful. Unless you only did nouns with those ;)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/silverthornfire
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These are available with the iphone version of the mobile app in Dutch but not android. I actually find them extremely useful and helpful for learning new vocabulary.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MickeytheGreat
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I think they would be fine if they were correct. In Spanish, all of the past tense words get matched up with present tense English words! Kind of annoying. Also, it doesn't say who you should conjugate it for.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/silverthornfire
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I have pairs with French, Spanish, German, Danish, Italian, Swedish and Turkish. They aren't always nouns, but verbs and adjectives and also phrases too. Not sure what you mean about past tense words matching with present tense English, but could be that I've not reached your level yet.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Stanbeard

I've seen comments saying that immersion used to be available in the Dutch course. What happened? Is it done for good or is it just in testing?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CapnLee

Duolingo have put a hold on Immersion as it exists for other languages and existed in beta for Dutch. It may be reimplemented later with changes at a later point but Duolingo found it wasn't being used in the way that they had hoped.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Montalbano
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It's probably also got some copyright permission issues that make it a pain for Duolingo.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LianeBond

I love the sound of Immersion...really hope it makes a come-back so that I can have a play!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Famous song lyrics could also be great like: Yesterday, all my troubles were so far away. Of "Papa, loop toch niet zo snel"

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Montalbano
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Is Mens Durf Te Leven in the common domain yet?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JoeyLavalliere

I really want the new Dutch tree to come out because I really need the new voice. The voice that's on the Dutch tree now is really difficult to understand. When is the new Dutch tree available?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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The new voice is not really related to the new tree, they will probably not come at the same time. We have been asking Duolingo for a new voice for well over a year now, so who know how much longer it is going to take. Last summer they told me "soon", but that doesn't mean much.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DiMo28
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So just curious why the course doesn't start with the alphabet? How to pronounce the letters and different vowels sounds since they are different from English. I had to get that info from a different site. It just seems an important foundation that is skipped over. Listening to the robot isn't always helpful as many words are hard to understand.

Also to help learn the vocabulary, it would be nice if the vocabulary words and meanings were listed somewhere (maybe in tips and notes area or have it as a mouse over). This would be a good preview to the lesson and to be able to go back and review the words without having going through the lesson again. BTW, I've gone through several lessons that don't use all of the vocabulary words listed for it. That is frustrating as I feel I haven't fully learned that lesson even though I've completed it.

I've found it quite difficult to remember all of the prepositions and conjunctions. There are a ton! I've had to list them out on a piece of paper to sit down and memorize them.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/El2theK
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Regarding the alphabet, it is the same in Dutch as in English. Yes there are different sounds in Dutch but in that regard the alphabet wouldn't be sufficient since the sound can depend on a combination of letters.

In my opinion it is hence better to learn as you go. Unless you wanted to start with a massive lesson on short and long a, e, i, o and u, an then also oe, ooi, ui, eu, eeu, ij, ei, ie, eau, etc which only includes vowel sounds.

Also, while perhaps useful, you more than likely still wouldn't be able to pronounce them correctly as it takes a lot of people a long time to get the hang of it since some sounds are so different to what they're used to.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Not to mention that we cannot actually add a lessonn that focuses on pronunciation. We have no control over the exercises that are offered, and the majority will always be translation-based.

BTW, I've gone through several lessons that don't use all of the vocabulary words listed for it. That is frustrating as I feel I haven't fully learned that lesson even though I've completed it.

We are reducing the number of new words per lesson, in the new version. Hopefully that will help.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kebabkerry

I'd kinda like to see past tense come up a little earlier. Maybe a little bonus lesson on some idioms (I know this may not be possible for all of them because translations and stuff) A little flirting skill like they have for some of the other courses on here would be nice ;) I don't know how to describe this, but verbs like voorlezen or aanraken, where they have a preposition. I have struggled a bit with word order when it comes to separating them.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/howk_tomo
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Here's your first Dutch idiom for today, and very current:

"kijken alsof je het in Keulen hoort donderen"

Genootschap onze taal

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nikkesen
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So, I learned that "dat meen je niet" is close to "you're kidding no", which would be a good type of colloquial expression to learn under idioms more conversational-level language. I'd love to see this as a bonus skill. That and swearing - that way I can get away with it around my monolingual inlaws. Flirting seems kind of "meh".

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Germanger
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I vote for flirting but that should work!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AshleighLe3
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Bonus skill idea: cheesey jokes, bikes, idioms, birthday/Christmas/local traditions, art & music. But mostly bikes and cheesey jokes.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joke514096
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I'm a Dutch native speaker and Dutch-language teacher. I recently tried the Dutch tree to see what it looks like and here are my suggestions for improvement.

In my experience, many students of Dutch especially struggle with word order, and I think this is underrepresented in the current tree. So maybe you can: - Break up the conjunction skill in several parts, separating coordinating and subordinating conjunction. Subordinating clauses are by far the hardest part of grammar, and even my very advanced students keep making many mistakes here. Maybe you can make separate lessons to drill the conjunctions 'omdat', 'dat', 'als' and 'toen', because these are the most important ones. And a lesson to contrast 'want' and 'omdat' (same meaning, different grammar). - Add more information about inversion (first verb/subject swap). This is the other very important rule about Dutch word order and I think it's only mentioned in relation to questions and very slightly in the conjunction skill. But it's also very important if you want to start your sentences with time or place phrases or with words like 'eerst'. I can imagine it's hard to implement this, because you can't force people to start a sentence with a time phrase, but it's an important thing to know about.

Other things: - Use of unstressed pronouns wherever possible. Many sentences sound VERY unnatural with all these jij's and jouw's. - Maybe decrease the size of some huge vocab skills, because I think they are very hard to learn and contain a lot of unnecessarily complex words.

Keep up the good work. It's great to know that you are working on Dutch 2.0!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Thanks a lot for the feedback, Joke! Those are all great suggestions and many of them are already planned. Some things, like skills focusing on word order, are indeed hard to implement, since Duolingo wasn't really designed for that. We've been discussing how to make an inversion skill, but haven't come up with a good enough solution yet.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joke514096
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Thanks for the quick answer. I saw that your post was already two months old, so I was afraid my comments would be too late to matter. I think other have great ideas for extra vocab, so I only focus on grammar here.

As for inversion, you're right, that's really hard to implement. I can't think of a good solution either, other than something like "in this skill, we want you to start with..." but that's very unusual and pretty impossible in the app where you can't read the tips (that's something that should change too! but not a Dutch problem). I guess it's not possible to have translation exercises where the first word is already given?

I think subclause order is easier, as all sentences with omdat or als, or Ik denk dat/ik vind dat/ik hoop dat automatically force you to use this order. I think it's good to stress in the hintstips that in these cases ALL VERBS go to the end (but the first one should still be conjugated for the subject at the beginning of the clause) and also give an example with two verbs.

Furthermore, I think the skills on modal verbs and gaan+inf. are good ones to point out the fact that the second verb in the sentence goes to the end. I also think it would be good to have the modal verbs skill (and maybe also the basic numbers) higher up in the tree.

And yeah, the Dutch TTS sounds like Queen Beatrix with a severe cold...

Edit: And nobody ever says 'You look like a poffertje'. Duo has a lot of weird sentences, but the last two skills have too many, if you ask me.... :p

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Db243
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Brilliant observations, glad a teacher has put in some concrete thoughts. And for the hell of it, I just returned from my Inburgering exam(s) Thanks Duolingo for helping. But, what I saw on today's exams isn't covered very much here. So, if you are forced to inburger, it would be wise to seek another avenue of instruction to supplement Duolingo. And to Duolingo, maybe it's time for a disclaimer: The organization which administers and tracks your progress for Inburgering is called, you guessed it, DUO https://duo.nl/particulier/ Nobody likes law talking guys showing up at their establishment with papers...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joke514096
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I think it's always wise to seek additional instruction next to duolingo if you really want to learn a language and are not just studying for the fun of it. Duo hardly teaches you to speak and the topics are pretty random.

I hope all went well with your inburgeringsexamen!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lucasbrusa

"jij speelde als een poffertje zonder suiker" is hilarious :D and I have been trying to add it to my Dutch conversations :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joke514096
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You're probably aware of this, but I recently got an exercise where I had to put the words of the translation in the right order, where the first word was already given. I never saw that before. That might be an interesting type of exercise for practicing inversion. Provided that you can choose the kind of exercises that are used in a certain skill, of course. I have no idea how much influence you have on these kind of things.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Great, I didn't know that! Unfortunately we cannot pick those kind of exercises by hand, the mysterious algorithm does all of that. It would indeed be very nice for Inversion practice.

Right now our solution is to have two parallel skills, one lesson each, that contain the same sentences with a different word order. We will have some people alpha-test it before we launch the new tree, to see if it works.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joke514096
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That's probably the best solution right now... Great to know that you are including inversion!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marius
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Your observations are spot on! As someone who doesn't speak Dutch natively, the word order is a bit tricky, especially at the end of the tree. I had to read other materials before fully understanding what's going on. The difference between the first half and the last half of the tree is quite huge when it comes to word ordering.

Also, the audio part needs a change. At the end of the tree it loses its clarity.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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We've been trying to get better audio for well over a year now, but the tech guys are not very cooperative on this front.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AngelaBowe1

Are you a Dutch native speaker or a native Dutch speaker? Word order is confusing in all languages.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JeffHK
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De eenden waren heel opgewonden. I have been very disciplined about not hounding the very busy, very hardworking, very wonderful Dutch team..... but I'm bursting to get news about the 2.0 update. Any developments? Happy Saturday!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Axedrez

I know it's somewhat off topic but would it be possible to consider having a Dutch (Belgium) version? The accent and many expressions and words are so different.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JohanVanderbalij

When we put the cursor over a word, for example 'salt', instead of just showing us the direct translation 'zout', that would be great to see '(het) zout' so we would easier to learn the proper article for each word. Thank you guys for the great Dutch tree anyway!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LupoMikti
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I hope it's not too late for a suggestion? I've only just got to the point where I have 4 skills left in the tree and they're all vocabulary focused, so I wanted to take a moment to comment on the grammar skills Gerunds and Relative Pronouns.

I believe these skills need a few more lessons and in the case of the Gerund skill, a Tips Notes section.

Focusing on the Gerunds skill first, I can say that I greatly appreciate that you felt it necessary to have a specific skill for this point of grammar. This is something I wish the German tree had done in their Tree 2.0 update as I've run into a bit of a problem where I'm not quite sure how to construct Gerund Phrases in the language in all cases (this now goes for Dutch as well).

In the simplest case, the Gerund Phrase is being used as a subject. For example: Naar school gaan is soms noodzakelijk. These constructions are more straightforward and are addressed in the skill. However, this is the limit of where the skill goes in terms of complexity of the Gerund Phrase.

In English, at least for me, I tend to use Gerund Phrases a lot and not just as the subject of a clause. Here are a few example sentences demonstrating the complexity I use in everyday speech:

  • I usually avoid eating food in the classroom.
  • Would you consider buying a new house?
  • He denies having ever seen her.
  • Thanks for helping me with this.
  • He decided to lose weight by exercising for two hours every day.
  • Becoming a sponsor is a great alternative to giving us a donation.

Of course even more complex examples can be made, but I wanted to stick to what I would likely say myself in everyday conversation. Here one can see the use of Gerund Phrases as direct objects of transitive verbs (i.e. "I usually avoid eating food in the classroom"), and as objects of prepositions (i.e. "…by exercising for two hours every day.") The Gerund skill does not appear to cover these topics and I cannot say that I would have any idea on how to construct these sentences.

Next up is the Relative Pronouns skill. I don't know if my case was just an odd one, but the lesson was rather short and I never got any sentences that made me use wat or wie as a relative pronoun. I'd really like to see this skill expanded to give more examples of this as well as to go over the different kinds of Relative Clauses that can arise with each relative pronoun as the head and with question words not explicitly defined as relative pronouns as the head.

Lastly, I'd just like to say I really appreciate this course and all the time and effort you guys have put into it. It's easily been my favorite course thus far and I can't wait to see the Tree 2.0 when it comes out. I'm just glad I'll have the chance to finish the tree before then (just a few more days, should finish by this Sunday).

Here's to a great deal more Dutch learning! :-)

2 years ago

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I know you guys are hard at work on this and probably have everything you want already in motion, but I've just thought of one last little thing I'd at least like to mention in the hopes that it at least gets seen.

This is something that won't really be beneficial to all learners, which is why I doubt you'll do it, but still want to give it a shot. As someone who has gone through the German tree to completion, I can honestly say that I would understand a lot more of the things taught in the Dutch tree if there were one or two paragraphs in the Tips & Notes of certain skills that made direct comparisons to similar concepts from German.

For example, when you first start to mention the importance of V2 word order, a small paragraph mentioning that word order is mostly the same as in German, with a few key differences, would go a long way toward helping me focus more on what I don't already know. It would also allow you to emphasize the differences between German and Dutch even better so those of us that know German are less likely to fall into traps German speakers/learners encounter with Dutch.

Another area this would come in handy for is the "Er" skill, in which one or two paragraphs explaining how er is similar to German's use of da, but again with some key differences, would make that skill much easier to understand in the long run. Other skills I see this being good for are Passive Voice, Gerunds, and maybe Relative Pronouns.

(( Oh, and before I forget, perhaps some explanation of the equivalent English words would help in the "Er" skill too. It was incredibly helpful to realize my use of words like "whereby", "thereon", and "thereof" was pretty much exactly how the er-words work. ))

Once again, this is more "I kinda wish there was a Dutch for German speakers tree" than "things that would improve the Dutch learning experience overall", but I still wanted to voice this idea, even if just to hear your thoughts on it and have it ultimately shot down.

Thank you for everything you've done so far! I dare say the Dutch tree has been my favorite on Duolingo so far, and I can't wait for the second version, however long that takes.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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What is the time schedule for delivering version 2.0? Do you have a yearly release, so this will be the 2016 version and next year 2017. Or is this the final version? Or do you have an agile/scrum approach where you have sprints of weeks or months and new functionality released after every sprint? I see no progress lately. I actually prefer an agile approach with a constant flow of improvements, new lessons etc.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Hi Freek, it looks like we might done with the new version in May. All of us are volunteers, who are working on the incubator in our spare time, beside actual jobs and studies. There has been a steady (but fairly slow) progress so far.

We cannot continuously release new material at the moment, because of the way that the incubator works. However, this is going to change in the future. Although even then, each new version of tree must go through an A/B test, to see whether it performs better.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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I appreciate your efforts, no question about that. And i do see some progress. There are less DUO answers that i think are wrong. I am just eager to continue and get to the 100% score.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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While we're focusing on the new tree version, you will indeed see very little improvement in the version that is currently live.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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What is an A/B test?

2 years ago

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A new version is released for some students. During the A/B test there will be a research of the group with the new version have better results than the group with the old version. Only when the new version have better results than the old one, it will be released to all the students. There are many A/B tests. Students don't know in which A/B tests they are working in.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/substate
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Hi Simius, any update on the timeline? Very excited to continue learning.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dhanly
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I feel impeded by the lack of past tense at the moment; I'm nearing half way through the tree, feeling pretty confident with Dutch and I know no past tense at the moment. This is the only thing I'd like moved, if possible.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lucasbrusa

Hello Team Dutch,

Thanks a lot for the nice work you have been doing.

I completed the dutch tree and have learned a lot.

How will we current duolingo dutch learners access the dutch tree 2.0? Will the new skills appear (as empty) on the current (complete) tree?

Thanks Lucas

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lucasbrusa

In Dutch 2.0, please keep improving the grammar lessons: past and future tenses, passive, modals, conditionals, adverbs, er (and its tens of variations), imperative, comparatives, negations.

The power of duolingo is to enable learning grammar in an easy way, without memorizing rules, practicing with full sentences. For instance: negation, past tense, conditionals, all the types of inversions, are difficult Dutch grammar for which duolingo really helps a lot.

To learn/memorize vocabulary, especially specific words in certain subjects, there are better methods. To learn about bikes, one can read a few texts on the web about bikes, paying attention to the new words. www.readlang.com is great for this. Anki too.

The goal should not be to add a lot of words, but to practice grammar and sentence construction. That's where duolingo shines.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/substate
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More things on separable verbs, idiomatic phrases, split up "er" into multiple lessons, more "om te" examples are suggestions of the top of my head.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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All of those are in the works!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mmgery
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Do you know if we can get a tentative release date?

2 years ago

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I've just started the Dutch tree, and most most of the issues that I see with it are in common with the other two courses that I'm already further along with (Spanish and Italian), but I'll write them here as I see you are asking for feedback.

The order of what we learn is sometimes very strange. Why learn names of exotic animals before we can count to five? Or learning every item of female clothing before the question words such as why, what, how etc?

I think that either:

  • the lessons should be broken into smaller groups, ie. animals1,2,3, with other topics in between.

  • or more mixing of different topics into one lesson, ie. learning one noun, one verb, one adjective, one adverb, one connector, and one prepostion word all in the same lesson, instead of learning dozens of the same kind of word in a row.

  • or we should be able to learn things in a different order and skip ahead to other lessons without being forced to sit through lessons we find irrelevent. So if i want to learn 'table' and 'chair' before 'duck' and 'tortoise' I should be allowed. Or if I want to learn 'with' 'but' or 'because', before 'sandwiches' and 'strawberries' I should be able to do that too.

The order in which we have to learn things on Duo, and the inflexibility of it is my main gripe. Sure, if I want to speak like a native then I need to know all that vocabulary eventually, but I would rather have basic knowledge of several languages than be highly fluent in just one. So that means I'd rather learn the most essential and most commonly used words first before getting into rarely used vocabulary.

Also, for words that I have used many times before, I no longer want to practise spelling them correctly in English, but rather to practise spelling them correctly in the target language. Its much easier to recognise a foreign word again and translate it into my native language, than it is to translate my native language correctly into the foreign language. Therefore it would be great if when I review a lesson that the harder skills are worked on more than the easier ones, such as clicking on the picture of the thing.

Sometimes it would be great to be able to read a bit more of an explanation in the tips and notes section before starting the lesson, rather than having to go to the discussion part about the sentences that I don't understand in the hope that an expert has already gone through the beginners exercises to answer other peoples queries.

All that being said, I am still enjoying my Duolingo experience and will definitely be continuing with it! Thanks guys, I appreciate all the hard work thats gone into this site.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lucie_Sovova

hey guys, not sure if anybody still reads this but I have a question/request - I keep getting the same sentences over and over again in my practice (even if I get them right) and it's a bit annoying. like now I've just had the sentence "ik ben sterk doordat ik zwem" 4 times in one practice round! so I probably won't forget that one easily... is there something that could be done about this? is it maybe that there are not enough sentences to pick from in this section?

2 years ago

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Strengthening is usually based off of whichever words are the weakest. If you strengthen a skill but it only has one or two weak words, you'll only really get exercises for those words. Furthermore, the algorithm that decides what to give you for practice is not something controlled by any course contributors as it is programming related. The people who make the course are not the ones that code the program, and therefore anything that would likely require coding to implement, cannot be done by the course contributors. So there isn't a way for them to fix this at all. My advice is to only strengthen a specific skill if it has three bars or less, or to redo lessons in order to practice.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lucie_Sovova

it actually happens when I'm doing the general practice and I do have planty of weak words to choose from. I am aware that the Dutch team can't do anything about the algorythm but I thought maybe they could simply add more sentences to have a bigger diversity. but you're right that it might be more of a programming issue.

2 years ago

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There is a large amount of different sentences in the system that include doordat, sterk, any form of zwemmen, or (obviously) any other combination of words. Hence there are plenty of diverse sentences in the system that can be used during a general practice.

I don't know why you happen to get one sentence a lot, but a lack of different sentences/diversity is not the reason.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joelson00

It would be good to have a lesson with sayings and famous quotations (from literature and film). Het zou goed zijn, ook een les met spreekwoorden (bv. Pieter Bruegel) en citaten te hebben.

2 years ago

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How is the progress going on this?

2 years ago

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Here are my list of some words that could be added in the Dutch Tree 2.0:

-FEELINGS: ontsteld (upset), paniek (panic), wakker (awake), angst (fear), huilen (to cry).

-FAMILY/PEOPLE: een menigte (a crowd), een lid (a member), een afstammeling (a descendant), een voorouder (an ancestor), een tweeling (a twin), een stel (a couple), a bruiloft (a wedding), verwanten (relatives), een schoonzus (a sister-in-law), een schoonmoeder (a mother-in-law), een schoonvader (a father-in-law), een stiefmoeder (a stepmother), een stiefvader (a stepfather), stiefouders (step parents), een gaast (a guest), een maat (a fellow), liegen (to lie), een leugen (a lie), de waarheid (the truth), buurman (neighbor), cadeau (gift), kussen (to kiss), kamergenoot (roommate), voornaam (first name), achternaam (last name).

-NATURE: het meer (the lake), de hemel (the sky).

-EDUCATION: schooljaar (school year), semester (semester), middelbare school (high school), basisschol (primary school), printer (printer), toetsenbord (keyboard), een cijfer (a grade), rekenmachine (calculador), economie (economy), klasgenoot (classmate), min (minus), plus (plus), optelling (addition), aftrekking (subtraction), vermenigvuldiging (multiplication), deling (division), tekenen (to draw), oplossen (to solve).

-PLACES/TRAVEL: uitgang (exit), ingang (entrance), stadion (stadium), enkele reis (one way ticket), voetganger (pedestrian), stoep (sidewalk), passagier (passanger), snelweg (highway), bestuurder (driver), bushalte (bus stop), kruising (intersection), onderzeeër (submarine), kaartje (ticket), parkeren (to park), een band (a tire), benzine (gasoline), een veiligheidsgorgel (a safety belt), een sleepwagen (a tow truck), een slot (a lock), een fooi (a tip), nationaliteit (nationality), vluchteling (refugee), buitenlander (foreigner), opnemen (to withdraw), munt (coin), wisselgeld (change), kruidenierswinkel (grocery store), slagerij (butcher shop), winkelcentrum (mall).

-CLOTHING: korte broek (shorts), bril (eyeglasses), spijkerbroek (jeans), regenjas (raincoat), handschoenen (gloves), sokken (socks), sjaaltje (scarf), gympen (sneakers), orbel (earring), stropdas (tie), pak (suit), riem (belt), laarzen (boots), zak (pocket), gestreept (striped), gestippeld (dotted), geruit (chequered), vies (dirty), pet (cap), kleermaker (tailor), mouw (sleeve), portefeuille (wallet), knoop (button), bruidsjurk (wedding dress).

-FOOD: taart (pie), cake (cake), ijs (ice cram), snoepje (candy), paddestoel (mushroom), boter (butter), aardappel (potato), erwt (pea), ui (onion), meloen (melon), watermeloen (watermelon), perzik (peach), ananas (pineapple), braambes (blackberry), kers (cherry), komkommer (cucumber), pompoen (pumpkin), wortel (carrot), patat (french fries), spinazie (spinach), knoflook (garlic), zalm (salmon), pannenkoek (pancake), saus (sauce), kalkoen (turkey).

-ANIMALS: een huisdier (a pet), huiselijk (dometisc), een bij (a bee), een zwaan (a swan), een mug (a mosquito), een kikker (a frog), een slang (a snake), een vlieg (a fly), een vlinder (a butterfly), een dolfijn (a dolphin), een haai (a shark), een pinguïn (a penguin), een kameel (a camel), een krokodil (a crocodile), een mannetje (a male), een vrouwtje (a female), een zoogdier (a mammal), een vleugel (a wing).

-OBJECTS: kussen (pillow), vaas (vase), tapijt (carpet), kaars (candle), koelkast (refrigerator).

-NUMBERS: cijfer (digit), rangtelwoord (ordinal).

2 years ago

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I'm not sure I understand what Tree 2.0 means. Is it a new version of the introductory course which has been in use until whenever 2.0 is released, or is it a follow-on/sequel to the material already available?

In any event, I have enjoyed tremendously the course materials that you have previously prepared, and I believe it has helped me a lot in learning een beetje Nederlands. One thing that I have noticed now that I am working my way through the English for Dutch speakers version is that there are quite a number of Dutch words in the exercises which were never mentioned in the Dutch for English speaker version. Perhaps some or all of these could migrate into the new tree?

I also have noticed that there are three classes of words for me, which are progressively more difficult to learn and remember: (1) words which are the same or nearly so in English (that is, cognates), such as school, model, appel, actrice, directeur, ingenieur, (2) words which have some sort of cognate for me, such as samenleving (together living - society), halfrond (half round - hemisphere), even verbetering (for better - improvement), and (3) the rest, for which I seem to need much more practice to make them familiar, such as verslag, oefening, betrekking, doorgaans, ontvang, heen, huid. I suppose Duo must have statistics for which words take longer for most learners to learn. If there is a way to emphasize these, especially after one progresses past the initial lessons, they're definitely ones which I need to practice quite a bit more than the others, and I suspect perhaps other students may find this also -- in order to have any significant degree of mastery, some fraction of the material really requires much more practice than the rest.

I would also like to second the comments elsewhere here about having difficulty putting the verb at the end of a subordinate clause. This feels very unlike English, Spanish, and French, and I'm sure it will take substantially more practice before it even remotely begins to feel natural and automatic for me. If there could be much more material for this topic, I believe it would be helpful; I know I would certainly benefit.

Thanks again for all your work. Your course has been incredibly useful in becoming a little familiar with het Nederlands!

(Edited to improve wording.)

2 years ago

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School and apple are not French loanwords but just Germanic cognates.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/thales361

More turtles! Alsjeblieft, Ik hou van schildpadden!

2 years ago

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It's been 11 months since this post was created. We have a new voice already... but how is the progress on the new skills ect.?

1 year ago

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I was wondering too...

1 year ago

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I'd like to see word matching / vocabulary exercises. The French tree does a nice job with this. Right now I'm mostly using the cell phone app where you select the correct words and put them in order. It hasn't been very good for learning and retaining vocabulary. Exercises devoted specifically to vocabulary would be very helpful.

Thanks.

1 year ago

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They have no control over the types and frequency of exercises you get, especially on the mobile app. Anything that requires programming can't be done. They are just volunteers, not Duolingo staff.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DogePamyuPamyu

YAYYAYAYAYAYAYAAAAAYYYYYAAYAYAYAYAYYYYAAAAAAAAYYYY IM SO HEPPYYYY

When do you think this will be done by tho because I needa finish Swedish first :O

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/._.Polyglot._.

I did do Dutch for a bit, but I would say I thought the language was fun and beautiful, it was difficult, I think you all should add more skills that will make it easier for us to get introduced to the Dutch language.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/legibe
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i love weird sentences, it makes learning german more fun, which is a good thing for such a hard language! yesterday i had to translate "die bären lesen eine zeitung" and found that very cool! :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Science_Yay

Though in German you should pay attention to capitals. I don't know if the sentence you gave would be considered correct by duolingo since I haven't taken the course but am a native speaker. The correct version of your sentence is "Die Bären lesen eine Zeitung". Ignoring the capitals is okay in online chats or in SMS etc but basically nowhere else.

Viel Erfolg und viel Spaß =)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/legibe
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actually it don't considerate it as an error, it passes, though each words with a missing capital is noticed with a comment like "nouns starts by a capital letter in german". this, only on the web browser version of duolingo, the iphone app says nothing. but yeah, i know that i will have to add capitals if one day (every hopes are allowed) i'm able to write a complete sentence in german by myself, haha! ;-) danke schön :))

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Db243
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I have traversed the tree two times now, and have even flipped my languages around. Saying I speak Dutch and want to learn English. I have looked for Dutch Immersion, and have found it does not exist. Is this something coming soon?

I thought Duo was an Owl? Where are the ducks coming from.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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Immersion is also a feature we can't implement ourselves :/

Ah the ducks... I don't exactly know where they come from, but they are certainly very important!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/legibe
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i suggest you to google "find a penpal" and seek for one, there are some great websites for this. that helped me a lot to learn english and help some others with french. :)

that could even been an idea of evolution for duolingo... the possibility to connect people who wants to talk to learn languages!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Try facebook.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Blackbeart

Wow! That's great. I'm so excited! My brother was is doing German and I was jealous when the German tree was updated. I'll try to finish the tree before it is updated then, I'm coming near to the end. I would say to add for text below the lessons for more skills (especially the more complicated skills). It can can get quite confusing for subjects that are very different from English with little or no explanation. I am taking a Dutch Grammar course besides Duolingo, which helps a lot. learndutch.org is the course I'm doing. I'm not sure if it is possible, it may fall under the category of gender labels, I don't know: can you - when you get a hint for a noun - add a label that says whether it is a 'de' or a 'het' word. That would be really helpful. Out of curiosity, why isn't it possible to add those features?

Thanks so much Dutch team! Duolingo is awesome!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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The Dutch Team consists of volunteers, who build the course using the incubator platform (which is created by Duolingo). So we get to choose which words to teach and in what order, and we make and translate the sentence that are used for exercises. Things like adding labels or new types of exercises are currently not supported by the incubator platform; one of Duolingo's overworked engineers would have to find the time to make this possible. It doesn't seem to be a high priority for them at the moment, so it's better not to hold your breath...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zekecoma

Can we get an astronomy skill, computer terminology, car terminology, etc.?

2 years ago

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Astronomy skill

There are a lot of astronomy-related words in the Nature skill.

Computer

Great idea! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zekecoma

I develop computer software and it'd be nice to be able to translate it to Dutch and also, when I get good enough. I can switch to the dutch version for example.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mistypoison

Not sure if this is available, but the German course also has an immersion tab where you can read German news/wiki articles and translate them. Will the Dutch course ever have that?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vytah
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The course moderators can't do anything about it, and it looks like the Duolingo itself isn't willing to add immersion to more courses. So I'd say no.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LianeBond

Not everyone has the immersion tab :( I'm also doing German and I don't have it...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Plamsy
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I think there should be at least 3000 words, after editing the tree. Vocabulary is the most important

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Blackbeart

The basics of the language is the most important. A course with only vocabulary wouldn't be very good. You need the basics of the language first (which they have already done very well). So yes, now more vocabulary.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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I have read somewhere that if you understand the 2000 most common words that you can understand a language. That are probably the words used on news sites like: http://www.nu.nl/ You can also check what words are used learning other languages. The germans (Ich will Englisch lernen) now have 1791 words: https://www.duolingo.com/words so one could copy those words and teach them as well in the dutch courses "I want to learn English (Ik ken Nederlands)" and "Ik wil Nederlands leren (I know English)" The less common words could be added in a Bonussection. So words like "fiets" en "regen" would be in the common section and words like "tegenwind" and "slagregen" could pop up in a bonus section

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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More words / vocabulary in the lessons of news, travel, vacation, geography culture. Actually the 10 countries of the world that are most in the news, all the countries of europe, all the european capitals, the main rivers so:

Main countries in the news USA, Russia, China, Japan, India, Brazil, Spain, Germany, Mexico, Portugal, Greece, Italy

European countries Nederland, Belgie, Luxemburg, Duitsland, Frankrijk, Spanje, Italie, Griekenland, Oekraine, Rusland, Noorwegen, zweden, ijsland, groenland, Denemarken, Esland, Letland, Lituaen, Polen, Tsjechië, Slovenie, Slowakije, Albanië

European capitals Amsterdam, Brussel, Londen, Parijs, Berlijn, Moscow, Praag, Rome, Athene, Lisabon, Madrid

Other towns Milaan, Napels, Florence, Venetië, Bratislava, Riga, Stockholm, New York, Kaapstad, Oslo, Bagdad,

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Montalbano
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Beach words. Just for the halibut.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marius
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I'm really exited for the new voice! I hope it will be more limpid than the existing one.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MattC957
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Flirting bonus skill please!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/williamparadise
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add a lot of content please,a lot :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DPP1ENG
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Hoi!

verwachte release datum?

:))

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Sometime this spring!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DPP1ENG
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thanks man. can't wait

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Science_Yay

I have not finished the tree so I don't really know what else will be covered, but I would love a science skill. Just basic sciences terms such as element, chemistry, biology, analysis, laboratory, experiment and so on. I've seen that there is a nature skill and I hope that it includes ocean related words. I'm looking for beach, sand, ship, octopus, plankton, wave, ocean current, dolphin, jellyfish, island and so on. That would be really great!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bobjanova

There is a science skill in the last section.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Repelsteeltje
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Ik heb het meest gelachen met de Dutch course, maar sommige zinnen kunnen wel minder onzinnig. Hoewel... een oma die haar kleinzoon een frikandel voorschoteld zou ik ook aangeven bij het meldpunt kindermishandeling. Misschien nog meer zinnen over Hollandse cultuur als verzuiling en verdraagzaamheid, lange afstands wandelpaden en dijklichamen?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_Peyton22

I would love a course about different countries and languages. Similar to like they have in the Esperanto course. It is just something fun and teaches you more about the world we live in.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iwc2ufan
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I still struggle with the lessons on passive and te + inf. I have been very slowly doing the Dutch tree since day one of its release and I have 14 skills remaining. I keep my tree fully gilded, so I have done the review lessons a lot, and those two just never really stuck for me. Every time they lose some gold, I find them nearly as difficult as I did the first time around.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kev1512
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I think the first lessons should be "hello""how are you?""what's your name""thank you" like the most language textbooks. I learned Dutch for some days, but I think that I still cannot start a talk with anyone.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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Those things are taught in the Phrases skill, a skill in the second row of the tree, so basically at the beginning.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LuffyKappa
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It would also be awesome if there were some older words like "dikwijls" what basicly means often and maybe some others. Even tho they aren't used alot in the dutch languaghe cus it most of the time gets replaced with "vaak".

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Axedrez

"dikwijls" is commonly used in Belgium.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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A bonus course!! It is difficult to come up with some examples though. I guess i would have to read an old book first to get some ideas. But the dutch language is changing fast so theoretically it should not be that difficult. For instance one of the best dutch books: Multatuli. http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/11024/pg11024.html Words that catch my eye are: aangelegd, zeer, Mensch, integendeel, edel, voer dien man weg, aantevangen, gij, ik in zaken ben, waartoe, ge.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nikkesen
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Are you able to add anything on punctuation? I'm unsure if the rules follow the same structure as English. Particularly with regard to the use of the Oxford comma, or is that strictly an English language notation?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Susande
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That's not something that fits easily in the tree (as punctuation is ignored by the checking mechanism). But we could potentially add it to the explanation posts: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/3732817

The Oxford comma is something English, the Dutch standard is not to type/write a comma when you type/write en. Also see: http://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/vraag/468

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nikkesen
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An explanation post would be super as well! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Anne Frank. Words you need to be able to read the famous dutch book of Anne Frank in dutch. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Frank Anne Frank was 14 years when she wrote the biggest part of her diary, so her words should be simple common dutch words. Words like: Geschiedenis, Duitsland, oorlog, tweede wereldoorlog, Nederland, Amsterdam, Prinsengracht, onderduiken, dagboek, schriften, Radio Oranje, bezetting, joden, duitsers, achterhuis, boekenkast, angst, ruzie, natuur, kastanjeboom.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/twrist
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I learnt all the words you listed by completing the current Dutch tree, and have been working my way through Het Achterhuis without too much trouble at the moment? Do you mean all these words should be in a single lesson?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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I am a dutch native speaker and i was upset by the fact that i saw in this course dutch words that were very uncommon, like abdicatie. I am in favor of starting with the simple words of a young girl. And maybe just add in a few lessons the the less common words related to that book and that situation. I don't know how many words can be learned in one lesson. Maybe 10. Good that you had no problem reading this book. I just read a few pages and already noticed that i expected simple words, i came across less common words or constructions like: "uitzonderlijke omstandigheden", "in beroering", mondaine sfeer, placht, een geëxalteerde omgeving, onafwendbare toekomst, roem, "in de greep van", liegen of poseren, but that was the long introduction. Anne Frank uses words like: nieuwsgierig, een broche, pret, dagboek, gewaarwording, ontboezemingen, er op aan komen, mijn hart te luchten, geduldiger, lamlendigheid etc. actually more difficult words than i expected. My conclusion is that this young girl Anne Frank, was visiting a gymnasium (grammer school) and was reading a lot so she used more than only simple words.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Montalbano
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Is it available as an e-book yet? It's almost impossible to get, or very expensive, as a printed book here in the USA in het nederlands.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Try this link, they say it is free. http://ebooksgratis.nl/ebook/het-achterhuis-anne-frank/ i tested it and you get a PDF document.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dennie54
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Thx for the link.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TuomasNL

Why not add some dialect bonus skills like Limburgs or Achterhoeks?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Susande
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That would be impossible to do as there are too many Dutch dialects. Also because of the dialect continuum, in most cases it's impossible to determine where one dialect starts and where another ends. And next to that, there is not any standardisation in the vast majority of dialects. People speak dialects, but there are no writing systems or spelling. For instance in my own dialect I have no idea how to write things, in the rare case I write it down, I just pick something that looks like it would sound correct, but there are often many other ways to write the exact same thing, none of these particularly better than any of the others. And to top things off there are too many vowel sounds, no idea which characters to use for those.

I'm pretty sure Duolingo will stick to standardised languages.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NeilDowdal

Can you add (or is there somewhere) a percentage complete counter for specific trees (e.g NL)?. I estimate that I am approx 15% complete. It is hard to gauge one's progress within a tree like structure, even with the addition of owl's and such like. I feel confident that within the Lingot financial structure, this allows me to be so bold as to offer the princely sum of 30 Lingots (Tax Free) for a percentage bar type thing. Thanks very much.....erm hold on. Got another one. Random challenge other users for XP over X period of time, or even teams. This could be country or whatever grouping, the main thing is you dont want to be the one who lets down the team, who is then cast out.... Competitive type things are good for things like this, maybe ? All good so far on the course, doing OK.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/psieger
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I like the female voice! She speaks the queen's Dutch, in fact I suspect her to be a member of the royal family...?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kenmerk
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I really like the current voice too! It should only be changed if truly necessary.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/howk_tomo
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Ik vind de vraag voor terugkoppeling raar aangezien er een mooie terugkoppelingsknop onder aan iedere opdracht staat.

Had ik dit geweten dan had ik een hele mooie lijst gepresenteerd.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Die knop is om commentaar te geven op specifieke zinnen of oefeningen. We kijken regelmatig naar die meldingen en gebruiken ze om nieuwe vertalingen toe te voegen. Maar nu hebben we voor het eerst de kans om de hele structuur van de cursus te verbeteren, nieuwe woorden en vaardigheden toe te voegen, enzovoort. Daarom vragen we hier om suggesties voor de verbetering van de cursus als geheel.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olivierATW

Hello.

(Sorry for not having combed through the 240+ comments and therefore this idea might have been mentionned before)

I feel the feature "discuss a phrase" is of great help, but do you think it might be a good idea to have some sort of "sticky" summary comment on each answer?

For instance lots of people have questions on the "-e" ending on adjectives and de/het rules for adjectives. I've seen these through-out the current course and the Dutch team does a great job at answering those questions, always pointing to the relevant page in the grammar section.

If there was a possibility for admins to create a "sticky" post at the top of a phrase discussion, with the most common questions/answers, then it would: (a) give the admins more time to do something else instead of answering the same question over and over again (b) help learners to quickly understand the "ins and outs" of a particular expression/construction without reading all the comments.

That being said, I don't know what is feasable in terms of pure duolingo "implementation"

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olivierATW

ok forget it. i was using the android phone app earlier. on the browser application i just show there are some "tips & notes" per question, which is exactly the feature i was thinking of. I guess one could argue that it'd be nice to have the tips & notes available also on the phone app

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JeffHK
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I'm amazed by how many people care so much about the Dutch Duo program and learning Dutch- oh happy day!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/peterfish

I would love to see the tips/notes sections filled out for all lessons. Thanks so much for your hard and tireless work!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MaxieBlueFirefly

I would love some more questions like, "Can I have..." or "Can I go..." because they could come in useful!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/clubdancer
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Hoi Team Dutch plaats alsjeblieft d en t kofschip, fokschaap alphabet en medeklinker oefeningen in de nederlandsche cursus. Zodat we correct kunnen spreken en schrijven.

Dear Team Dutch please do proper d and t, alphabet and vowels pronouncing exercises in the dutch course! So we speak native. Cause you forget after a few practises and start to speak the languages as a foreign speaker unused. Alphabet and vowels it should retun in all the languages on duolingo.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Some people that come from outside the EU and want to stay in Holland have to do a dutch exam, That is part of the inburgeringsexamen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integration_law_for_immigrants_to_the_Netherlands It would be nice if Duolinge would help in that, failitate it. That can be done in several ways. First of all by delivering the necessary dutch lessons / knowledge and secondly by offering test exams, Maybe for lingo's, It would be fun to do the tests.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Db243
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Hi Freek,

I'm a looong time resident of The Netherlands, I've only recently taken a Dutch beginner's class with in the past 4 months, 1-2 hr week max. I started Duolingo for Dutch last March, so 9-10 months ago. I hammered Duo in the beginning for few months and then I kept up daily. I felt totally intimidated by the mock tests on the inburgering website. I went for some of tests just a few weeks ago, and passed 3 of the 4 modules I took, and one still to be scored.

Vocabulary learned here helped. Daily exposure to Duolingo lessons helped. Talking to a "few" Dutch co-workers in Dutch helped. Most Dutch colleagues prefer English, so it's a greased pole to climb.

Your requests sound great, but the DUO frown upon anything about the test being public, except what they publish. I had to sign an NDA concerning the content. Who knows, maybe I've already said too much?

Here is a write up in English by Dutchnews.nl it is part one of a three part series. I'd say happy reading...

http://www.dutchnews.nl/features/2016/01/how-to-be-a-good-citizen-the-past-present-and-future-of-inburgeren/

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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your way of expressing yourself is already quite dutch. I just want this Duolingo to be helpfull to people like you. To offer a free course to people who are willing to integrate. To say "welcome", "good that you are trying", Holland can be great, but also horrible, but we like to help sometimes. And at some point, i don't know exactly where in the tree. But at some point you are ready for the first, second, third or fourth exam. If you pass this level at Duolingo that is about it. Like if you passed this level at Duolingo, 70% of the people also passed the inburgeringstest A,B, C, or whatever their names are. Duo actually only needs feedback from people like you who tell at what Duolingo level you can do an inburgeringscursus. That could be useful information for your followers. So apparently you are at level 18 which is good enough for inburgeringsexamen 3. Did you already try 4? Please report back when you got nr. 4 =and tell what Duolingo you had then.

Maybe Duolingo is already good enough, the only addition could be that they offer at some level a test called "Duo Inburgeringstest 1" 2, 3 etc giving a hint to people like you that they are ready for it. Thanks for your feedback.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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And Duolingo could also add some "Kennis Nederlandse Samenleving" in its courses. It can be creative and playfull. I am a dutch native, but i don't know anything about this "Kennis Nederlandse Samenleving". My idea is that it is probably a tekst of so many sentences. Every sentence can be put in Duolingo and translated into English (that is the only foreign language we have at the moment) . Or parts of the sentences if they are too long. In that way people both learn Dutch and get "Kennis over de Nederlandse samenleving". Ze zeggen bijvoorbeeld: "Nederland is een democratie" Duolingo can use that sentence and ask for a translation: "The Netherlands is a democracy" etc. "Kennis Nederlandse samenleving"= "Knowledge about the dutch society". It could be a bonus lesson because it is mainly a repitetion of words already known and maybe partly new words coming out of this course. My idea is that being nice is something you do.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SailorWeeb

More Flirting, apples and shoes.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/biauwaz
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Hey, I've just seen the post. Could you tell why exactly it's impossible to add a words tab? I've noticed that it's present only in the premade courses (fr, de, es, pt, it) - it is just impossible for the community made courses by default?

Thanks for answering!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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It impossible for us to add it. It's part of the back-end that we, as voluntary contributors, don't have access to. There is nothing stopping the developers from giving us a Words Tab, except for an ever-growing list of things with higher priority.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lewons7
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This is more to do with duolingo in general, but a lot of the learning is trial and error with in a test like format. It would be great to have a short video before the skills. Even if it was just one per category. I find there are a few skills that I never really can get the hang of and its basically guess work. Like I get confused with tense. So maybe have a few separate levels to focus on specific grammar skills like word order, rather then words would help with that. None of this is probably doable at all but I figure I may as well say it. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TrueAngelBeats

Although i didn't go through this course but I will some day and conquer this language but i suggest you put skills in technology or electronic maybe disaster such as tornado tsunami and etc.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Maybe some fairy tales (Sprookjes) . These fairy tales are for children so use simple words. Try to read the next fairy tale: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_en_Grietje and add the first ten new words in a (bonus) lesson called "Hans en Grietje -1", something like that. words like: stiefmoeder, (Stepmother), aan de rand (at the border), Houthakker (woodcutter), arm (poor), echtpaar (couple), kiezelstenen (rocks), jaszak (pocket of his coat), treuzelt (lingers), schoorsteen (Chimney), een spoor van kiezelstenen ( a trace of rocks). ten words already :) enough material for a few lessons.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Sometimes there are more than one or two answers accepted by Duolingo. It would be nice if Duolingo in that case shows all or more accepted (good) answers, maybe ordered with on top the best translation and down the lesser one's.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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I also do the german tree (I want to learn German) and there i see more feedback explaining why my answer is not accetable / accepted. Feedback is very helpful. Please add feedback starting with the most common errors / mistakes. I know it is a lot of work and i appreciate what you are doing. Keep up the good work.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Golden_Owl
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add some slang,please

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/merryvz

I would love to learn more medical conversation. I am a nurse, and would like to have more conversational skills for assessments, history, physical, and every day needs. Medical terminology is the tab I am hoping for. Thanks for all your hard work. I do love this course.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lewons7
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Do you think the tree will eventually have the full 20 000 to 35 000 words that the other speaker knows? Although if it did there probably should be a way to skip certain skills because it gets to the point where order doesn't matter. Or perhaps have users be able to make their own courses like in memrise so they can use the duolingo platform to continue furthering their skills.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/legalskier

On the android app - you don't get the tips/helpful information when learning a new skill. Having gone back and re-done some of them on the computer, I had no idea what I was missing. If possible, putting those into the app would be extremely helpful!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LupoMikti
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I don't believe this is something the Dutch team has under their control. That definitely sounds like something Duolingo would have to implement.

A good rule of thumb is that if it involves programming, then the team can't do anything about it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/STEEZY-DEO

I think instruments should be a skill :P

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MarahBz
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Pleaaaase bonus skills and speaking exercises that go directly from english to dutch! bedankt :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LupoMikti
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Your second request falls under the category of "Things they cannot do". There will likely be more bonus skills though.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ajpthree
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I'm so excited to get back into dutch!! been a while since I finished the original tree. I have a bunch of screencaps from every course I'm doing, I'll look through the dutch ones soon and let your team know suggestions I might have - thank you team Dutch!! <3 <3 <3

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DPP1ENG
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can't wait

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lahure
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To Team Dutch. Have sixteen trees here and yours has been the most enjoyable by far! Loved the food section at the end of the course. Strange though that my Dutch level will reflect as 24 one day and as the correct level 25 the next day!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RobinOberg

As I work as a professional anthropologist, I would love to see one or two Social Science classes. You know, stuff like: how to use and conjugate terms like "discourse", "gender", "paradigm", "ontology", "epistemology", "functionalism", "world systems theory", "research", "power (as in force)", "power (to control)", "multilateral trade agreement", and so on. :) rolling my thumbs

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Robert405687
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Hey Guys, As an English speaker, I would more Dutch words. I would also like to be able to access the grammar lessons better on my phone. I would also like to be able to practice my pronunciation in Dutch. They have this feature for English speakers learning Spanish and German. I would also like longer sentences with multiple verbs and clauses.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Frazer_WM

I know expressions and idioms are particularly common in spoken Dutch, so maybe a few lessons on those would be good?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lewons7
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will there be a word list with strength like in German?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/louis.vang
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Hoi moderators,

Is it possible to tell something about what will be changed /added with Dutch Tree 2.00?

Kan er een tipje van de sluier gelicht worden? :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheGrahamCable
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It would be really good to have the verb conjugation tables that Spanish and Italian have, where you hover over any word then click conjugate. They are really helpful for learning the general patterns early on, and for reviewing the other forms of the verb applicable to other people or tenses, without having to wait until that particular form of the question comes up, or using other sources or the notes I made on paper. It is especially useful for the irregular verbs.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NickKoop16

I'd like a bit more on transport such as how to buy tickets etc. Also a bit on famous Dutch festivals such as Keukenhof, Sinterklass, Koningsdag. I also watch a lot of Dutch football, so anything you can get on the Eredivisie would be great, especially Feyenoord :p.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lucasbrusa

Hello Dutch team,

What are the plans for the Dutch tree 2.0?

Thank you for the great work you guys have been doing. Lucas

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Hi there! We're still working on it. Most of the work is creating new sentences for all of the words that we've added. The first half of the new tree is now pretty much done, and we've invited our first alpha testers to try it out.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lucasbrusa

Hi Simius,

I finalized the Dutch tree some time ago and have ~80% gold. I would be very glad to be alpha tester.

Thank you the Dutch course Lucas

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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Great! Please submit an application in the incubator: https://incubator.duolingo.com/

It's the same form as for applying as contributor, so make sure to state that you want to be an alpha tester.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/azevedof
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In the "Map" section I feel that it should have Latin America countries too. Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Cuba..and others.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TomFootb
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Argentinië, Brazilië, Mexico, Colombia, Cuba, Ecuador, Guyana, Suriname? ... I don't think that would be very useful. Yes, Dutch is the language of Suriname but well the Dutch names of South-America are very similar to the English ones. While Frankrijk, Duitsland,Rusland ... are way more different from their English counterparts

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/azevedof
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If you see the map section, you'll see that the countries shown are subdivided into continents. Polen, Roemenië, Hongarije, Tsjechië, Rusland, Oekraïne making Eastern Europe; Schotland, Ierland, Noorwegen, Zweden, Denemarken making Northern Europe; and so on.. I didn't see any countries from the American continent in that list. A unit in the Map section with American countries would be a great addition. No offense, but in my view, countries like Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, are more important than Vietnam, Thailand, Hungary...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BOOIII

Add bonus skills

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LupoMikti
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They already have some planned (as explained elsewhere in this comment section).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TomFootb
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Misschien een onbenulligheidje maar waarom heeft deze les een blauwe achtergrond? Zovele talen in de app hebben al een blauw kleurtje. Waarom niet oranje? :D En ja ik ben een Vlaming. :P Turks heeft ook het rood van de Turkse vlag etc...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davidvdb
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Daar kunnen wij niets aan doen, we zijn niet verantwoordelijk voor het design van de website, enkel voor de inhoud van de cursus. :) (PS. Ik ben ook een Vlaming. :P)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jane-Chan20th

Just keep up the subtle sub-plots like the guy who's indecisive with how much elephants he wants and all the food-related dysphoria.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Baran557921

For God's sake, please fix the word "nederland" being voiced as "Nederlands". It is such a simple mistake...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Simius
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We can't change the (mis)pronunciation of individual words, unfortunately.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/phyoung
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First off, thanks for all your effort! It's been fun learning Dutch through Duolingo. I just wanted to mention that I think the te + infintive lesson has a bug. No matter how much I practice this lesson, I can't seem to get it to full strength :-(.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dennislysenko
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Ik wil zeggen dat deze cursus de allerbeste is dat ik heb ooit gebruikt op Duolingo, zelfs zonder "Immersion"-tab. Dankjewel, echt. (Ik heb zojuist de Duitse tree voltooid en het was niet zo goed als de Nederlandse tree ;) maar dat is natuurlijk geen verrassing van een land zonder stroopwaffels!)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/beechaw
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Hoi! Goedenavond :) I have already finished my Spanish, Portuguese, English and French tree, and I can see that Dutch wil take me a long time... but if I get there sometime, it would be great to have a "Music skill", such as instruments, the notes, which words you can use when you go to a show, buy a ticket, play a song, share with somebody your preferences...etc! Ps. Sorry for my english, I am from Argentina. trying to lear English and Dutch at the same time, sometimes I get confussed xD

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gregory75008
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https://www.duolingo.com/Elton595481

Grote werk en dank u wel! Could you included a 'progress shield' that is attachable to LinkedIn? I have this option for both French & Spanish. Alsjeblieft.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/XamDourou
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Nice! I'm ready to help you ;-)

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/christianYETI

What do groetjes and hoi allemaal mean?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JosephT.Madawela
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good way of improving our vocabulary skills

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AhmadSarfa

Do you have any plan to add "words list" feature for Dutch such as Deutsch?

2 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HoaTran0901

Hi everybody . i'm Hoa. i live in Viet Nam. i going to Nederland next year . i really want to learn dutch. please help me. thanks everyone

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BOOIII

Add a grammer skill

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LupoMikti
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The entire course is your grammar skill. Grammar is not an individual skill. If anything, they may be able to do a syntax skill to teach word order, but I see little point to that since the conjunctions skill already takes care of this (as word order changes most often in subordinate clauses, introduced by subordinating conjunctions).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/max._.idek

Please get rid of Goededag, sap

1 year ago

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At some point up the tree people should reach the knowledge to take a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_of_English_as_a_Foreign_Language

And there should be a bonus test for this exam.

But then for the dutch version.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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More words / sports / soccer: Try to read this http://www.nu.nl/voetbal The plan is to know / learn / add all these words. Words like: Voetbal, voetballen, winnen, verliezen, scoren, doelpunt, goal, treffer, elftal, Nederlands, oefenwedstrijd, slotfase, basisplaats, nationale ploeg, blessure, debuut, leiden, lijden, bijzonder moment, middenvelder, doelman, spits, strompelen, scheidsrechter, buitenspel, rode kaart, spreekkoor, veld, hamstringblessure, genieten, incasseren etc. eventueel gedeeltelijk in bonuslessen. Ook spelen met verschillende tijden, toekomst, verleden en heden, voorbeschouwing, nabeschouwing en wedstrijdverslag.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Olga451165
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Hi freek, in my personal opinion it's not helpful to try and add all possible words in every subject. Of course i want to know more words in the subject that i am interested in reading.. But duo gives good base and from there every person can expend where he wants to know more.

Adding too many words in subject that has no intrest for somebody can make it hard on that person to go further up the tree.

Sport was one of the subject i enjoyed the less.. I can't imagine if it had even more words. Also learning names of every country is kinda a waist of time i think, since all the names are so similar to english that you can guess very easily.

I hope duo's new tree will be light and fun to climb.. The best part about dou is that it's fun and easy which makes it addictive and therefore people don't give up half way and actually finish it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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Olga, i understand what you are saying. I agree with you that the basic words should be learned in the beginning of the tree. Lets take sports as an example. We could have the lesson sport1 with words like: sports, game, winning, losing, scoring, goal, points, in, out, start, finish, up, down, left, right, slow, fast (basic sport terms) Than a lesson Sport2 (much later in the tree) with words like: Competition, Soccer, Tennis, Korfbal, basketball, soccer, running, dance, chess, checkers, cards, tired, exhausting, injury, rain, wind, sailing, preparation, condition, shape, position. And maybe a bonuslesson Soccer1 with words like: argument, red card, sliding, keeper, defender, trainer, referee, corner, decision, offside, free kick, penalty. So up the tree more words and you can stop anytime. Finishing the tree is not necessary. Participating is already having fun.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DJvdZ
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Freek, it is probably possible to learn the whole language using only sport related phrases and exercises. But I am glad Duolingo decided to use other topics as well. Otherwise, I would definitely not have used the program, eventhough I love languages. It's also possible to learn the same language using only sentences and exercises related to either history, or politics, or philosophy, or art, or science. In either one of those cases I definitely would have been interested - however I imagine other people might not have liked that. Because different people have different interests - and that's fine.

Maybe in the future is will be possible for Duolingo to offer an 'adaptive tree', which offers everyone the opportunity to learn the entire structure of any language only using phrases and exercises related to the topic[s] that interest[s] the individual user/student. (Of course it would be a lot of work compiling all the needed sentences, but that's another matter.) However for the moment it is a good thing the tree uses sentences related to different topics, so it can offer something to everyboby, no matter what his/her interest might be. And it is also a good thing the 'skills' are not too long so you don't get stuck on a topic you don't really like, but which you have to pass to figure out the included grammar and to get to the topic you really do love. (because that is the way the Duolingo systems works at this moment, you have to do the skills in a predetermined order.)

Maybe a more short term solution would be a different kind of tree: not a longer tree but a shorter tree that only deals with the grammar (syntax, morphology) using only a couple of basic words. And in addition to that short tree trunk seperate (long) branches relating to different topics. For example your sport branch with offshoots for different sports. In that case the development team could just add more branches as they go along, and you could learn a language without doing all the branches. You could just pick the branches relating to your own interests. (And for example skip the whole sport branch.) And in that case it would also be possible to accomodate all the words you scatter around all over this discussion page like 'pepernoten' (to add my own word that incidentally relates to the current season). But as for now, that kind of tree is just part of my imagination and it is not the way the Duolingo tree works in reality. So, please stop adding your lists of words to this page, because it is not useful (unless of course Duolingo decides to change the tree and we can add all kinds of branches including your suggestions).

Thank you.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FreekVerkerk
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I had the same imagination of a tree with different branches for different interest groups, like a sports branch, a biology / medial branch, an art and culture branch, A transport branch with cars, bikes, airplanes and trains, a work branch, a home branch, a food branch, a clothing branch etc. And a tree that does NOT require you to follow all branches.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DJvdZ
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In your last sentence I think you meant to write "a tree that does NOT require you to follow all branches." Otherwise it would not quite be the same imagination. (...)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CapnLee

I'm very interested in a food branch of the tree

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Olga451165
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it might not be necessary to finish the tree.. but it's something most serious learners are determined to do, it'd be a shame to get stock halfway through for a silly reason.. but all the words you gave in your example are not just related to soccer, so all of them would be nice to know. I just meant that a skill with 6 lessons about technical words that are used only in soccer might be too much.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Don6740
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I still have no idea what korfbal is, and am not particularly interested.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/filips8
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It's basketball (it literally means basket-korf/ball-bal)

Edit: It is basketball without dribbling.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LucBE
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No, it certainly is not. See wikipedia. The english name is korfball. It is played on grass, you are not supposed to let the ball touch the ground, I think. The baskets are mounted on poles, but they do not have back boards to bounce the ball off.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LianeBond

LucBE...that sounds like netball to me...have never heard of korfball...

2 years ago

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Wikipedia: "Korfball (Dutch: Korfbal) is a ball sport, with similarities to netball and basketball"

2 years ago
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