In this case we actually use the adjectival pronoun «такой» since it modifies the noun «музыка», not the adjective «громкая»: ‘What kind of music?’ / «Какая музыка?» – «Такая громкая музыка!»
You could also use «так» in similar constructions, but it has different connotation and we often (usually?) use a different word in English. For example, «Шоколад так вреден!?» = “Is chocolate that bad (for your health)!?”
I guess this is one of the things you just get used to at some point…
Your comment is very informative and appreciated, but it doesn't answer the question.
In English, Spanish, and Italian (and probably French, I just can't recall right now), words that modify adjectives are defined as invariable adverbs. Since the English translation of такая громка is "so loud", такая appears to be modifying громка - and should be an invariable adverb (suggested by rekty to be simply так громка).
So, the question is: Why isn't it just так громка? Why does такая agree with the noun - or is it agreeing with громка according to some rule of Russian grammar that has not been explained to us?
I am pretty sure the question was changed after I wrote my previous comment. Nonetheless, those are just two different words that happen to look similarly. In this case the word modifies the noun, so «такой» is the appropriate choice.
This is how Russian works and as said above, sometimes you actually want to modify the verb (if present at all), or the adjective (e.g. when there is no noun or in deliberate constructions that are often phrased otherwise in English).
Not sure if there are any explicit rules, but this is pretty common, so you'll get used to it as soon as you get a little bit more exposure to the language and its native speakers.
I did a context search on "music so loud" and was presented with quite a number of Russian sentences and phrases using такая громкая музыка and так громкая музыка (not necessary in that order). The English translations were varied, but there was no discernible difference between the usages that I could see. The question is whether there is a nuance of meaning between the two, or just a matter of one being more formal than the other, or some other reason for the difference.
I don't know that there is some corollary grammar in English for this kind of situation, where you have two related adjectives which modify a noun AND one adjective modifies the other to some extent.
I am patient - you have to be learning Russian from English (and I'm sure going the other way), and some things have become clear which were pretty foggy before. Asking questions like this - even if somewhat misdirected or even wrongly directed - help clarify these interesting bits of grammar, because they force explanation and thought. So, even if I don't get an answer I can understand now, the process will ultimately yield the result.
I am a native speaker. Так громкая музыка doesn't make sense at all. Так and такой (такая, такое, такие) are two different words that just happened to look the same. Так is an adverb and translates as so or that way. For example, Я пою так всю жизнь (I sing that way all my life). Такой is an adjective pronoun and translates as such. For example, Моя мама такая красивая! (My mother is so beautiful!) or Я не хочу такой апельсин, я хочу большой (I don't want such orange, I want a big one)
I'm not a native speaker by any stretch but I did spend a year in military language school. To my ear "так громкая музыка" sounds like "such loud music." I think in this case, "так" is not modifying the noun (so no feminine ending) but is being used as an exclamation. E.G. In English "boy, your music is loud!"
Jeffrey855877, you are wrongly assuming that there is an univocal (one-to-one) relation between all languages as regards parts of speech or syntactic categories.
An adverb in English not necessarily translates a Russian adverb. In this case, the answer was pretty clear that какая is an adjectival pronoun and, as such, a noun modifier that should agree with the noun музыка. Incidentally, it agrees as well with the adjective громкая, and uses the exact same ending as an adjective (mind you, an additional hint that it behaves morphologically as an adjective).
English and several other languages don't have adjectival pronouns, so it is impossible a correspondence. Your expectation ignores that all languages you previously studied lack such kind of noun modifier. Since you have less grammar categories in English, one of them may translate two, three or more from Russian.
Russian will not approach какая as an invariable adverb just because English doesn't have an exact equivalent.
The sentences "The music is so loud!" and "The music is very loud!" have the same meaning in English, so i believe these would be interchangeable in this context. I am not fluent in Russian yet, but there were times where I would use "очень" as I would in English and was told that "очень" didn't fit or make sense, so I had to use another word.
> so i believe these would be interchangeable in this context
I don't think so. They each have a slightly different meaning.
"Your music is very loud" - Simple, neutral observation.
"Your music is so loud" - To me, at least, this isn't just an observation but a commentary on the situation.
In fact, I would say that "Your music is so/too loud" would be more interchangeable than "Your music is so/very loud".
This seams to be a grey area and could depend on the context. If I ready liked loud music and my friend had an awesome loud system, I could say "Your music is so loud" and at the same time not be saying "Your music is too loud". And if my mom walked in my room and said "Your music is very loud" I would know I was busted and need to turn it down, :-). But I think it really depends on the context, and who is saying it.
I have difficulty with this translation ("Your music is so loud") because такая is an adjective, and so is an adverb as used in this sentence. (Using the adjective such to say, "Your music is such loud!" is grammatically incorrect in English; so I am not asking for that to be input as a translation. I simply seek to understand.) Is такой/такая/такое/etc., a word that doesn't translate its grammatical function too neatly between languages? If so, I will adapt. :)
I'm assuming your issue is that it's behaving like an adverb but is conjugated in the manner of an adjective. Well it is an adverb but it is an adverb that is inflected if it is describing an adjective. I've not versed enough in Russian to know if this is a general trend for all adverbs or if there are multiple types of adverbs that do or don't have this feature. Clearly another adverb with the same feature is какой.
I've also seen такой and какой described as determiners instead of adverbs. I suppose this makes sense from the perspective that determiners are more likely to have conjugations than adverbs. But I think I still prefer thinking of these words as adverbs in situations such as this exercise.
I came here and read Jeffrey's question, and the responses, and wasn't terribly satisfied. I think benyoung84 is right...it IS an adverb, and unlike English, it simply inflects and adapts. It's just something to accept. I imagine так has its place when there is NO adjective in the equation.
Typically, when adjectives are stressed on the last syllable, the masculine ending is "ой" instead of "ий". Knowing the stress of "такая" then gives you a clue that the masculine form es probably "такой" (notice that, somewhat confusingly, this typically coincides with the feminine genitive).
I tell my students not to say something is "so..." This implies that there is some kind of comparison. I tell them that if they say "This music is so loud..." they cannot end the sentence there. They should have some other element in the predicate. For instance, "That music is so loud that I'm afraid you will wake the baby."
What do you all think about this? Are my words correct, or am I speaking like an old person?
As far as the Russian, I would say, "Your music is very loud."
What do you all think about this? Are my words correct, or am I speaking like an old person?
You're correct. But (and I say this as an old person) you're also speaking like an old person.
When you say there's an implication of comparison, you're right and "so" is still used this way in some sentences. I never really thought about it this way before.
I think in a more formal situation then I would probably include the comparison; but conversationally, I would let my listener fill in the blank. Lazy, I know...
(so are ellipses ;-) )
In English, the usage is quite common, and a conclusory remark is understood by the listener "You music is so loud (you will damage your hearing/the neighbors will call the police/I can't stand it/it's wonderful".
The meaning and intent of "so" is entirely in the way it is said - or sometimes the context. "Your music is so loud" "Gee, thanks!" "Yes, I really like it. Look, I know I said I would be here until closing, but I have to pick up a friend at the hospital, so I'm leaving now. I'll call you...."
Seems to me you could get the same intent and meaning across pretty easily in Russian by the way you say the world. I just don't know if that happens.
My biggest problem here is that "What languages do you know?" and "What languages do you speak?" are interchangeable for «Какой языки ты знаешь?», but "Your music is very loud.", and "Your music is so loud.", which I would argue hold the same meaning, aren't. It's not about «такая» vs «очень», it's about the inconsistency with what Duo will, and will not, accept.
Hello, friend. You are not stupid at all -- you bring forth a question about English grammar usage which I have never really thought about -- namely, when to use "such" or "so."
This site, which is Cambridge Dictionary, is one that I would trust. If you do not wish to click the link, I understand; I am frequently distrustful of links to external sites. In case you do not wish to click it, I will reproduce below the bullet point which I hope will answer your question:
We use so, not such, before adjectives:
Thank you. You’re so kind.
Not: You’re such kind.
P.S. Rather than "How much bad does it sound," I recommend saying, "How bad does it sound?"
Because that sentence doesn't mean what you think it does...If you say to someone "you have such loud music" it implies that their songs are high in volume (like some times you have really quiet songs on your iPod and then another one with 200% more volume) or noisy (think of death metal or something). So in other words you must use the word "your" (music is so loud) as it directly points to a specific moment
Incidentally, in English, colors and designs can be "loud" - something that stands out, or is outrageous.
One of the best examples of loud colors is found in the movie "Dumb and Dumber", when Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels wear their day-glo pastel pink and light blue formal wear to a fund-raiser.