https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126

Для and за

Both are translated as "for". What is the difference and how do I know which one to use?

November 9, 2015

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https://www.duolingo.com/olimo

I want to add a hint for Spanish speakers: in many cases, "для" means "para", and "за" means "por".

November 9, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Tamuna10

Для is a possessive, you must write it when something belongs to someone, for example, "This present is for Lena"=Этот подарок для Лены". За is used when you're talking about time, for example, "за три недели"=for three weeks, during three weeks. Also, За can mean "behind", for example: "За домом"=Behind the house. За is used in other cases too, but you will learn them eventually. :)

November 9, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126

Thank you! За also seems to be used when you are performing an action for someone or something, is that right?

November 9, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Tamuna10

Yes, it's right :)

November 9, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126

Thanks!

November 9, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/alex_tv80

Бороться за победу - to fight for victory
Вернуть за вознаграждение - to return for reward
Наказать за плохое поведение - to punish for bad behavior

November 10, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126

The other question I forgot to ask. What case to use with them? Use genitive with для? Is it always accusative with за or does that depend on the meaning?

November 9, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
  • Для + genitive = for as in "this is for you", to as in "to do this, ..."
  • За + accusative = for as in "do something for (instead of) someone", for as in "be punished for doing something", also in "выйти за..." = marry ... (used only for women, for men it is "жениться на + prepositional)
  • За + instrumental = behind, also as in "за хлебом" = to buy bread

I'm sure I missed something %) All in all, you should remember that "для" always requires genitive, and "за" is used both with accusative and instrumental.

November 9, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126

I knew за + instrumental for behind, but I forgot it. Thank you!

November 9, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/yarjka

Don't forget ради ('for the sake of').

Ради бога!

November 11, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126

Thanks, I wasn't forgetting it, I know how it's used but I should have asked about case for that too. Is it used with genitive?

November 11, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/yarjka

Yes, genitive.

November 11, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126

Thank you!

November 11, 2015
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