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Duolingo for Nuxalk

I really want to use duolingo for Nuxalk, and am willing to put a lot of hours into it. I have some serious expertise making curriculum - I've experimented with different sequences, developed a scope for teaching the language, and have elders who are willing to help me.

Do I have any actual chance of being granted access, of being given a change, within the next five years while we still have elders alive who can assist? Or is waiting on duolingo a pipedream?

November 12, 2015

19 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/skuggstralar

I think it's a brilliant idea - Nuxalk is fascinating as it is - and Duolingo seems to be getting more comfortable with starting courses for lesser-spoken languages, and something like this would literally be one-of-a-kind. I'd say, go for it - apply for the course, explain the importance of it, and the help that you'd receive. You certainly won't lose anything from it, and hey - maybe, just maybe, the course could get created, people would be inspired to speak and learn the language, and Duolingo may kickstart a revitalistaion movement. So peeps at Duolingo, this would really be a good move for you guys, too.

But nah, definitely give it a shot. I'm really hoping a language like Nuxalk could get accepted, especially with the recent addition of Guarani into the incubator. In the meantime, you can try posting lessons in the discussions - it's a good way to build initial interest and exposure, without actually creating a course. Good luck with everything, I hope you can find some way of teaching the language.

November 12, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/muskwatch

I have applied... Where would I post lessons?

November 12, 2015

[deactivated user]

    In the disscusion. Much like you did this posts. Here are my lessons on here for an example. https://www.duolingo.com/comment/11644302 here is just a single lesson, and after I made a few I also made a table of contents like this one here

    https://www.duolingo.com/comment/10984757

    or like this other guy's

    https://www.duolingo.com/comment/7963862

    November 12, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/SteveLando

    I sincerely hope so, It is people like you who is needed for the lesser used languages! I hope you make a strong argument and good explanation of your expertise in the application.

    November 12, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/Xefjord

    I strongly support this. You would probably need to use native speakers for the audio. Because I don't know a TTS that makes those kind of noises, but this language both looks AND sounds absolutely awesome.

    November 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/muskwatch

    Definitely native speakers. Is TTS necessary?

    November 18, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/Xefjord

    No its not. It is just easier than a TTS

    November 18, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/muskwatch

    Good - the TTS was the most difficult part of the Russian series for me. I'm fluent in Russian around people (though my spelling is down, and learned before typing in russian was normal amongst my friends, we all used latin alphabet) but at times have a very hard time catching the things the TTS says.

    November 19, 2015

    [deactivated user]

      If you have elders willing to help you, you should apply for it in the incubator! I would love to see Nuxalk here! I hope you can get this together, good luck!

      By the way, I once read that "clhp'xwlhtlhplhhskwts'" was a Nuxalk sentence (pronounced [xɬpʼχʷɬtʰɬpʰɬːskʷʰt͡sʼ] )

      and it means "then he had had in his possession a bunchberry plant." ? Idk, I read this sentence once and I thought it was interesting

      November 12, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/muskwatch

      I'll break it up for you - clh=to possess/have (prefix) p'xwlht - a bunchberry -lhp - plant or source, a suffix. -lhh- in this context, is talking about a former state of things -s - third person kw - reportedly ts' - now/at this time

      So that's actually a Nuxalk word. Now imagine that you're at a farmers' market, and someone points out to you that there's some bunchberry plants there that used to be yours! you turn to another friend and say "clh-p'xwlht-lhp-lhh-ts-kwts' c txw!" They say now that I used to be in posessession of bunchberry plants via those there!

      I have applied for the incubator, so we'll see.

      November 12, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/draquila

      How do you even pronounce this? I can read the IPA up above but this vowel-less chain of consonants is completely inscrutable to me.

      Is this sort of thing common in Nuxalk? I've read that it's one of those rare languages where there isn't really such a thing as a syllable, and it's clearly very synthetic.

      November 12, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/muskwatch

      We have syllable,s they're just not that necessary, and not nearly as important as morae. To hear it - try this - http://vocaroo.com/i/s1mWBzQ2OUg4

      November 12, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/garpike

      Thank you for that audio; it is fascinating. One question that springs to my mind is is it not difficult to project one's voice without resonant vowel sounds? How do Nuxalk speakers manage to shout, or address large groups of people? (I understand that some words do have vowels in them, but, even so, the ones that don't must surely pose problems for being heard?)

      November 13, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/muskwatch

      The sentences without resonant vowels are fairly rare, and there are a lot of words where when shouting people instead use diminutive versions, which have an /i/ added on the end.

      November 18, 2015

      https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut

      That is both so weird to my ears and incredibly cool. I can't imagine being able to understand that, never mind say it!

      Thanks for the example, it's fascinating! It makes me wonder how language developed to be so wildly different sometimes. Incredible.

      November 13, 2015

      [deactivated user]

        Wow, thanks for breaking it down!

        Where you able to write the whole letter thing you have to do in the application in Nuxalk?

        I think you have to be able to write it in the language you are aplying for in order for it to be considedered.

        November 12, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/muskwatch

        Yes, that's no problem at least.

        November 12, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/lizsue

        Also, while you're waiting for Duolingo to get to your application, remember non-Duolingo methods too. :)

        http://nativeinnovation.com/the-new-dine-bizaad-app-for-iphone-ipad-ipod-touch covers a crowdsourced Diné (Navajo) language app.

        http://www.muscogeenation-nsn.gov/Pages/PressReleases/14Oct/mvskokelanguageapp.html is about the Muscogee (Creek) Nation launching an app teaching its language.

        http://www.ogokilearning.com/ focuses specifically on languages indigenous to the U.S. and Canada. Even though the software development does cost something, it's worth a look.

        November 13, 2015

        https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126

        What is Nuxalk? I've never heard of it before, but I'm always glad to learn about a new language.

        November 13, 2015
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