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- "Grass is near the palace."
"Grass is near the palace."
Translation:Возле дворца трава.
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This is an awkward sounding sentence, perhaps "there is grass near the palace" would be a better way to phrase this.
I read in another answer to a similar question that "Возле" is literally very near or immediately next to, whereas "около" is near the vicinity of.
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Разница есть, "возле" это когда рядом, близко, больше всего подходит near, "Около" это уже дальше от объекта, в пределах видимости или быстрой досягаемости пешком
If Дворца is the prepositional form,what would be the nominative form?
Дворец is nominitive. Sometimes the penultimate vowel of a noun with a suffix will be dropped. Simply has to be memorized.
Возле takes the genitive form (дворца). Дворце is the prepositional form.
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The existence of both things are both known, otherwise it would be a question of there being a palace near the grass, if I understand from other lessons. Kind of like having a brother or sister, when stating as such it's confirming existence, but by having a relation of where both items are, i.e. near, they both are determined already.
Во́зле is a preposition and, together with a noun it modifies (дворца́), it constitutes an indivisible phrase. You could insert other words modifying the noun (e.g. возле краси́вого дворца́ 'near the beautiful palace'), but not completely unrelated words.
I'll certainly remember the placement now thanks to the meme :)
So, based on what you've said, "Возле трава дворца" would actually mean "The palace is near the grass"? Or is it just completely awkward/nonsensical?
Sorry, yes, it's definitely a preposition! I'll need to fix my message. (Upd: fixed it)
«Возле трава дворца» would mean nothing, since во́зле requires genitive, and трава́ is nominative. It could work if there was a masculine noun тра́в (near the palace's трав), but we don't have such a noun.
Also updated - this never happened ;)
And, ugh, of course Возле/genitive. This is my most frustrating thing about Russian right now. I'm getting more comfortable with the case system (which is progress, I suppose) - I just don't always remember to think about it.
Thanks!
That makes sense! So возле трава дворца would mean something similar (the palace is near the grass), but not literally what they're looking for?
What you wrote means, 'Near the grass, palace.' But none of the conjugation are correct
Not all prepositions take prepositional case. Возле and около take the genitive.
I think this would mean «The grass is near the palace», but I’m not sure.
I could be wrong in my attempt to apply this elsewhere, but I found your word order explanation of something similar on another thread to be extremely helpful. It's still awkward for me but having that framework in which to think of it has been very useful.
https://www.duolingo.com/comment/11607192
Or, it doesn't apply here at all and I don't understand it as well as I think I do. That's entirely possible, likely even! Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.
Thanks! This is applicable here.
Since the time I wrote that post I've found a description of word order in Rosenthal. Basically, it confirms my intuition about the old/new information (topic-comment relation), but there's another dimension to it: sometimes the word order is fixed.
An example of the fixed word order is the position of adjectives, I've decribed it here yesterday: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/11877095 — it has nothing to do with what's new information.
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Is "Трава находится близко дворца" wrong? In case, why? I always thought близко and возле were synonyms.
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If you use "близко" you need a preposition after this word like this:
"близко к дворцу", "близко ко мне"
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I don't know when i have to use accusative, genetive and nominative in these sentences... Can someone explain it to me....
The grass grows ("растёт"), not lies. "Возле дворца лежит трава" implies mowed grass.
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In this case the adverb 'недалеко' needs preposition 'от'.
"недалеко от дворца" is like "not far from the palace"
недалеко = not far
далеко = far
