https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore

Weekly Incubator Update: Tracking Progress from November 8th to November 15th

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Yet another course!
French for Russian has commenced its course journey inside the Duolingo Incubator! Welcome to the course team! Your progress metric seems to include the UI strings and I have adjusted your progress in the first week to reflect your actual progress. Even with this adjustment, you have claimed the Leader Extraordinaire spot. Congrats for starting with a bang!

Hungarian progress update
Thanks for providing your updates. However, since I have not got your recent progress estimate, I have no option but to show the 80% complete mark. Please let me know your new estimate when you can.

Thought for the week
News from all around - we have heard from a few course teams after a gap of several months!

PHASE 1 Progress: Total 30 courses

Catalan for Spanish - 90% | 95% | 94% | 100% (+6)

Polish for English - 96% | 98% | 99% | 99% (+0)

German for Turkish - 97% | 97% | 98% | 99% (+1)

Spanish for Russian - 90% | 91% | 92% | 94% (+2)

English for Thai  - 91% | 90% | 90% | 90% (+0)

Vietnamese for English - 74% | 83% | 88% | 88% (+0)

Spanish for Chinese - 71% | 76% | 79% | 81% (+2)

Hungarian for English - 80% | 80% | 80% | 80% (+0) ^

German for Italian - 73% | 74% | 75% | 76% (+1)

Hebrew for English - 65% | 68% | 70% | 71% (+1)

Spanish for Italian - 65% | 67% | 67% | 67% (+0)

French for Arabic - 44% | 49% | 55% | 63% (+8)

Romanian for English - 40% | 56% | 57% | 59% (+2)

Swedish for Russian - 57% | 57% | 57% | 58% (+1)

Welsh for English - 7% | 25% | 40% | 50% (+10) ^

Swedish for Arabic - 37% | 41% | 43% | 46% (+3)

French for Russian - (New) 43% (+11) *

German for Arabic - 39% | 39% | 39% | 40% (+1)

French for Turkish - (New) 37% | 37% | 39% (+2)

Greek for English - 34% | 34% | 34% | 34% (+0)

Italian for Portuguese - 27% | 28% | 30% | 30% (+0)

Czech for English - 11% | 11% | 23% | 24% (+1) ^

Hindi for English - 21% | 21% | 22% | 22% (+0) ^

Klingon for English - 20% | 20% | 20% | 20% (+0)

Portuguese for French - 19% | 19% | 19% | 19% (+0)

Guarani for Spanish - 7% | 9% | 10% | 11% (+1)

Esperanto for Spanish - 0% | 6% | 7% | 10% (+3)

French for Chinese - 7% | 8% | 9% | 9% (+0)

Yiddish for English - 8% | 8% | 8% | 8% (+0)

Swahili for English - (New) 0% | 2% | 5% (+3) ^

Mean - 1.5% | 2.73% | 1.9% | 1.97% (+0.07)
Median - 1% | 1% | 1% | 1% (+0)

* This week's Leader Extraordinaire!
^ The Hungarian, Hindi, Czech, Welsh, & Swahili teams' progress is as per their own calculation

Progress Visualized:

Here's what the contributing teams have said during the last week:
(For Phase-1 and Phase-2 courses by default, and for Phase-3 courses per request).

Luke_5.1991 from Team Norwegian wrote one week ago:

We've begun work on the second version of our course!

It's with great enthusiasm that we announce that we've begun work on Tree 2.0!

Please visit the official suggestion/feedback thread to help us along as we improve and expand upon the course.

Mvh,

~ Det norske laget

fluffyby from Team Thai wrote 6 days ago:

Some changes are coming, please be patient with us. :)

There are some changes that need to be done to facilitate the structure of the English - Thai course. We know this is really very long overdue but we greatly appreciate your patience! <3

Team Thai, you have earned this week's Star Update Award by providing info on your course progress to the eagerly waiting language enthusiasts! Hope to hear from you more frequently!

LaRoqueRoniann from Team GN<-ES wrote 5 days ago:

Greetings From Paraguay!

Hello future Guarani speakers! I am writing you from the beautiful Paraguay where Guarani is the number one most spoken language here. Guarani is one of the worlds few indigenous languages still spoken so commonly among one people group. We are proud to be working with Duo Lingo to create a platform for people to learn Guarani through Spanish. Guarani is a beautiful language filled with passion and emotion. It is our hope that you may experience that as you learn the language and most importantly use it in conversations. Guarani can also be difficult and may not sound like any language you’ve ever heard before, but tranqilopa ( relax ) and have fun!

doktorkampi from Team CA for ES wrote 5 days ago:

5 meses, -5%

Han pasado ya unos 5 meses desde que empezamos a preparar el curso de catalán. Y gracias a la contribución de cada uno de los miembros del equipo hemos conseguido completar el 95% del curso. Pero no sólo nos queda un 5% de las lecciones (sólo nos quedan dos unidades para terminar), sino implementar el sistema de audio (TTS), redactar notas o comentarios a alguna de las lecciones y sobretodo, revisar el curso en general. Para ello contamos con revisores de distintos puntos de la catalanofonía e incluso del mundo hispanohablante. Hemos podido incorporar a jovipuf, de Mallorca, que juntamente con PaulaPelayo24 de Valencia y RamonSerra3 de raíces hispanoamericanas podrán facilitar el aprendizaje del idioma desde distintos trasfondos.

Queda poco, pero tenéis que tener todavía un poco de paciencia.

Poc a poc i bona lletra :)

Tamuna10 from Team FR for RU wrote 4 days ago:

Французский курс начался!

Французский курс для русских начался! Мы очень рады этому. Надеемся, что скоро закончим, чтобы все русскоговорящие смогли выучить французский. :) Будем сообщать вам о наших достижениях. Спасибо всем!

DvirBartov from Team Hebrew wrote 4 days ago:

We've started alpha testing!

Shalom! שלום

As you've probably seen, we have a new alpha tester on board - Luke_5.1991, who is also a contributor to the Norwegian for English speakers course! Thumbs up!

We hope that this alpha testing will give us a first view of how learners are getting along with our course and what should be clarified/deleted/added etc.

Also, we've reached an important milestone lately - 70% of the course is completed!

Thank you for reading!

Abenhakan from Team Hungarian wrote 4 days ago:

Work is underway

Dear Friends, I am happy to report you that the renewed team is speeding up. Fresh blood proved to be truly revitalizing and we feel very positive about the progress.

By the way, all of you, friends, who have been kicking our certain body parts because the constant delays (and quite rightly so!) must now promise to really engage in learning Hungarian once we launch the course! Keep warming up, we are coming!

BrandenRyan from Team Swahili wrote 2 days ago:

Tangazo la Pili

Habari zenu, wapendwa?

Course Update

The Swahili-English team has been hard at work this week – we’ve been roughly finishing the base of the skill tree and now are working on populating the skills with their respective words before we continue more in-depth with the translation work. This way, we’ll be able to modify the skill tree as needed before really flushing out the content of the skills. We were able to complete a huge amount of translation this past week/weekend with about 1000 translations being added (you can see the graph on the Course Overview page) and finishing about 200 words of the nearly 700 that have been put into the Incubator. We’re estimating the course to be between 2000-3000 words, depending on how the grammar skills are structured, so we’ll conservatively estimate that we are going to be around 5% finished by the weekend. We are also hoping to add the Tips and Notes sections to most of the skills so that the explanations on grammar, syntax, and culture are all included. This process shouldn’t take a long time as Peace Corps Tanzania already has its language instruction manual - Sema Kiswahili, Furahia Tanzania - which just needs to be adapted and formatted for the site.

Luckily, and thankfully, we’re figuring out how to best teach the agglutinative nature of Kiswahili within the Incubator platform. We don’t think we’ll encounter many issues with the forms, but in terms of Hints, those might look a bit strange at the beginning. Once the skills are more populated, we’ll also begin the process of revisions and proofing. For now, our main goal is to input as much as we can before the New Year and then re-assess our progress from there!

By the way, tunamshukuru Jitengore for spotlighting the Sw-En team as having the co-Star WIU post last week! We really appreciate it and all of the enthusiasm that the Duolingo community has had in the first few weeks of the development of our course!

Emilian and Rehema working on some of the skills

Mpaka mara nyingine, marafiki zetu!

jitengore from Team Hindi wrote yesterday:

Week 23: 22% complete, beta launch 31-Dec-2015

Yes, we have fallen behind 1% per week progress mark and we have plans to address that :)

Eradus from Team Korean wrote 20 hours ago:

A Note for Future Applicants.

At this moment, we are not looking for any further applicants. Please do not file any applications for this time, as they will not be looked over. Thank you.

nueby from Team Czech wrote 12 hours ago:

Week 19

484 words, 24.2 percent.

Tamuna10 from Team FR for RU wrote 7 hours ago:

Мы прошли первый рубеж!

Здравствуйте! Сегодня мы прошли первый рубеж! Это великолепная новость! Благодарим вас за ваше терпение. Если будем продолжать такими темпами, то курс скоро будет готов. :)

fotiosgaridis from Team Greek wrote 6 hours ago:

Resources and course page

Hello all!

The Greek for English speakers team is aware about the slow progress of the course and we're searching for new contributors. The amount of requests is huge and we're trying to pick at least a couple of new members to help proceed with the course. Time constraints of existing and previous members forces us to move slow so, your patience and collaboration is more than appreciated.

Nevertheless, few days ago we have been contacted from the Duolingo community team in order to create the course page for Greek. The man-made monument created from the Duolingo team is of course the Parthenon and we agreed on the following blurb that I hope you like:

"Greek is one of the most ancient languages in the world. Spoken by around 13 million people, it is a language that holds an important place in history. A great number of world-famous works in mythology, philosophy, literature, psychology, mathematics and other sciences were created in Greek. Sign up to learn this historical language on Duolingo today! Whether you do it so you can stroll the streets of Athens, order your food on a Greek island or prepare for a journey into Odyssey’s pages as written in its original language, this is a language that will definitely enrich your life."

As soon as the course page is ready we'll let you know!

Team Greek, you have earned this week's Star Update Award by providing info on your course progress to the eagerly waiting language enthusiasts! Hope to hear from you more frequently!

rmcode from Team Welsh wrote 2 hours ago:

Continued Good Progress

We've managed to maintain our good progress and have completed another 1,000 sentences this week. This takes up the important landmark of having written around 50% of the course.

We've also mapped out the remainder of our tree based on a range of Welsh for adults courses that the team members have experience with.

Hwyl

Team Cymraeg

TL;DR
Duolingo Incubator continues to show improved productivity. The median progress has been at 'one' for the last several weeks. More trees are getting created for some of the Phase 3 courses, and several laddering options are being made available to the eager Duolingoers - we have 30 courses in the making in Phase 1.

The next update is expected on Sunday, 22nd of November at 4:00 pm UTC.

Previous Update 01-Nov to 08-Nov

Last updates from the recent months: 2015: Oct, Sep, Aug, Jul, Jun, May, Apr, Mar, Feb, Jan.

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/OneAndOnlyJosh

I want Polish so bad!!!!

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Of course you shouldn't be a patient, you are a doctor.

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Your words just made my day. Thank you and congratulations.

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https://www.duolingo.com/TheEeveeLord

Have nine lingots for the Doctor Who reference!

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let's make that eleven :D

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12 now :D

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Oh, I love Doctor Who! Take a lingot and welcome!

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Dear Mr (Dr?) Von Ahn,

When the hell are you going to give Jitengore a full time job, paid, salary, et al?

Yours sincerely,

Everyone.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence
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One (1) thousand lingots for a single post... I am not sure what this means, I am not usually this popular, but I think it means the crowds have spoken.... :)

After I have finished my heart attack, I think i will spend my lingots on 12 Progress tests , 11 Bonus skills, 10 Streak freezes, 9 posts on learning, 8 Duo costumes, 7 double or nothings, 6 timed practices, 5 Gold Rings (what else) , 4 calling birds, 3 french hens, 2 turtle doves, and...

Pembe bir midilli

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https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence
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Unless of course, I can spend all of those lingots on the campaign to make Jitengore president, then I would rather do that :D

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https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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I feel honored and flattered! Thanks for the kind words!

The fact that folks look forward to these posts and find them useful and informative is 'the' reward :)

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https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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Humble as always. Thanks for everything, jitengore =)

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I've always said I want Sitesurf to be president. But I guess they'd each have their own country anyway! :-)

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Let's make 1001, so literary :)

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Maybe we should find ways to make it fit the tune better...

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Ahahaha pembe bir midilli mi? :)

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Evet, kahverengi veya beyaz bir midilli istemiyorum :)

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ahaha tamam, türkçen iyi :)

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I had more than I needed, and I agreed with you. Enjoy them!

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https://www.duolingo.com/Hyllning

Wow... 1010 Lingots!! o - o

Lucky you! {@style=color: red}

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How did you write in red?

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https://www.duolingo.com/Hyllning

Check out my Formatting Post

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ah the magic!

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https://www.duolingo.com/Hyllning

I know right!

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I guess this is the post with the highest amount of lingots, and it's totally deserved because you're right.

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Using my brand new Russian skills here is what one of Tamuna's updates says:

"Hello! Today we reached the first milestone! This is great news! We thank you for your patience. If we continue at this rate, the course will be ready soon :)"

I'm so happy! I never learned Russian before, and I only had to look up around 3 words. The new Russian course is really well done!

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Haha, you're right, I said exactly that. :D Congratulations!

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Thanks! :D

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Поздравляю!

With my not brand new but newly refreshed Russian skills, this is what the other one says:

The French course for Russians has started! We are very happy about this. We hope that it will soon be finished, so that all Russian speakers will be able to learn French :) We'll keep you informed about our progress/achievements. Thanks everyone!

(ps you must be working great guns to be at level 10 from nothing - kudos!)

(pps crossing all available digits I didn't make any horrendous errors in that translation, it's been a long week...)

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https://www.duolingo.com/Tamuna10
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Haha, that one is right too, congrats! :D Yeah, I believe the Russian course is wonderful, as you guys translated my notes so easily, good job! :)

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The Catalan team rocks!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LearninLis

Does anyone know what the story is with the Polish team? As in what the estimated release date is or what they still need done. Is it the same issues the Russian course had? I'm very excited to see the product of their hard work! Thanks!

2 years ago

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Don't worry, everything is going according to the plan. No issues so far, we're working on the very last skill in the tree while adding some finishing touches to other skills. You can expect a Progress Update this week :)

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https://www.duolingo.com/LearninLis

I'm happy to hear it! Thank you so much for volunteering your time.

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EXCITING. Oops, the all caps was not intentional but was perhaps appropriate. I hope I will have finished and mostly regilded the Russian tree in time to have a bash at Polish... it will be very interesting to try a Slavic language from that family!

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https://www.duolingo.com/Plamsy
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Yesss!!!! GREEEK! Finally! I hope you'll start making progress soon, I'd like to start to learn this beautiful language in the new year !!!

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Yes, me too, I can't wait! :D

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What the hell happened to Yiddish?

It's been at 8% for so long now.

Strange.

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I don't think strange is the word, I think it is pretty much obvious that the present contributors to the course have too much real life on their plate to continue... well... contributing to the course. It's not great for the rest of us, but you can't win everything.

I do hope it comes together though, I never had any concrete reason to learn the language, but I have become more and more curious lately what it is all about, and I do think it is especially important to keep it alive given that so many people actively tried to extinguish it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jillianimal

I think there's more to it than just "a little too busy", unfortunately, seeing that none of their duolingo accounts have shown any sign of life whatsoever the past few-several months. They gave up completely. Hopefully these dead account will soon be replaced by those who will stick with it, I just winder why that is taking so long.

On a completely unrelated note, I'm really curious about the word tranqilopa up there. That is way to similar to tranquil & it's clearly used in the same sort of way so is that a word that was borrowed from english or did we borrow it from guarani?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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English got it from Latin tranquillus via French.

Spanish is also a descendent of Latin and inherited the word as tranquilo.

So I'd put my money on the Guaraní borrowing it from Spanish.

Especially as the variety of Guaraní that is apparently being taught on Duolingo has many Spanish loan-words.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jillianimal

That would make sense. I had no idea if spanish had the same kind of word or the roots of tranquil in the first place. I was hoping to see a "genuine" guarani word for the 1st time though, oh well.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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https://www.duolingo.com/amaratea
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when I saw that word for the first time, it made me think about tranquil antilopes... such a peaceful sight

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/therealpalumbo

I think it is extremely important to have here. Like you said, over the past 100 years the language has been rapidly decreasing, and it's such an important language to an entire culture.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LearninLis

I hear what you mean. It's not the most useful language nowadays but it has so much history and meaning. I kind of want to learn it just for an עם ישראל חי kind if reason. חי=life=18, י is the tenth letter and ח is the eighth.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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There are lots of reasons to learn a language - "because I want to, okay?" is perfectly valid =D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LangAddict
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Ok, I am (as everyone else) really looking forward to Polish. I wanted to learn it for so long now :)

On a side-note, go team Welsh !!! You are amazing.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HakeemEvrenoglu
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Catalan :O

It looks like they started one of these days and they are already at 100%...

Impressive =] (maybe I'll try it someday hehe)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/doktorkampi
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"Give me access to the Duolingo incubator and I shall make a Catalan course in five months."

I think Archimedes had a Catalan cousin who inspired him...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HakeemEvrenoglu
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Jajajaja me reí mucho con la referencia :D

Toma unos lingots... y más una vez, buen trabajo! ^_^

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/doktorkampi
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¡Muchas gracias! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BrookeLorren
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I agree. When the course entered the incubator I was telling people... you have plenty of time to do the Spanish tree before the course comes out.

I guess that amount of time was not so plenteous after all. Still, if someone started the Spanish course when Catalan went into the incubator, they'd be well on their way down the Spanish tree already, and Catalan will still be there when they are ready for it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis
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So two weeks ago we had the incredible return of moribund Romanian and Hungarian (still in progress). This week, Greek and English for Thai.

Looks like it's your turn, Yiddish. You're the only one left!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Looks like it's your turn, Yiddish. You're the only one left!

Someone better check if Klingon's still breathing.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis
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Klingon seems more of a slow breather.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/amaratea
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It breathes, but you know, the travel time from the outer space...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KateM303

Every time I'm on Duolingo I check Polish and Hungarian, sigh that they aren't ready yet and do some Italian. My mom was telling me yesterday that some of her earliest memories are of listening to her Aunts speak Hungarian while cooking cabbage rolls, which she was teaching me how to make. I've always resented the fact that none of my Aunts or Uncles speak Hungarian. Hopefully Polish at least will be ready soon!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/amuzulo
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Yes, I also always check Polish and Hungarian! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Garrett2015
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I find it pretty amazing that, in addition to the existing finished courses, we currently have 30 language pairs in development. That's absolutely fantastic. Thanks, contributors!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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Agreed - it's fantastic :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SebastianMolin

I'm three hours late (Romanian for English also has an update) ;-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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At this point, it would be best to include it in the next week's edition. For those of us who would like to read it right away, we know how to reach your course page :)

https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/ro/en/status

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CosmoKaiza
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I hope that the Polish team does not have any TTS problems like the Russian team had.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shady_arc
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I have reasons to believe the Polish team will find IVONA's Text-to-Speech OK.

However, you can never predict what is the right size of the course if you never built that tree before. If the team makes the course to 2200 words and then realises they actually want to have a hundred or two more, the course WILL be stuck at 99% percent for several weeks.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence
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Let me guess... are those reasons something to do with the fact that the IVONA text to speech system that has been so useful for rendering many different languages into audible and pleasantly comprehensible speech was itself originally developed in Poland for the purpose of rendering text in the Polish language into audible and comprehensible speech itself?

:o)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shady_arc
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Exactly. :)

On the other hand, SpeechPro is a Russian company but I do not expect their Text-to-Speech solution conquering new levels or awesomeness any time soon. It makes a relatively small number of mistakes compared to other Russian voices in the market, it also has a good dictionary and the timbre is among the pleasant ones... Yet, I think, there is a good share of voices that sound cleaner and more natural, thus less annoying to listen to for a long time.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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I have to admit, the voice has grown on me. It's not as natural as it could be, but on the whole it's comprehensible, and not too cringeworthy to listen to.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence
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I think you are probably lucky you don't need to learn Russian yourself - The Russian TTS probably bothers Me a lot less than it bothers You :).

I have tried a couple of the English from X courses and no matter how pragmatic I am about the system, I can't bear the sound of the English voice after a few short minutes.

You sort of have to close your eyes and think 'Well, even if this sounds completely unnatural, it is actually helping someone get to grips with it' - after all, robots usually speak clearer than humans, even if they do sound awkward :). I have been in innumerable situations where no one could understand what the hell I am saying because I am speaking so lazily.... heh!

2 years ago

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When I do reverse courses, I turn the speakers off and turn the volume right down. No way could I deal with listening to those voices! If I forget, pretty much the first time the voice speakers I'm like volume button, shut off speakers

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CosmoKaiza
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Thank you for the informations ! I love the fact that you take the time to answer to the users to help them

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheEeveeLord

Why can't all courses advance as quickly as Welsh?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence
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You don't understand Wales mate. They are a machine :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheEeveeLord

At such a rate, I won't be able to understand Wales before the course comes out. Do the contributors drink Red Bull infused with nuclear power?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xefjord

"Red Bull infused with nuclear power"... That sounds awesome. So lets say yes.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/brittalexiswm

I am so excited for Welsh and Swahili! Keep on moving

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/airelibre
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The first time I read that I thought it said Welsh for Swahili. Maybe one day in the future!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/brittalexiswm

That would be awesome! With the way Duolingo is going, that may be possible one day!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/oulenz
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Re Greek: wonderful that you are working hard on this, I have great respect for your efforts!

But..

As for the blurb: that's all fine, but this is specifically a Modern Greek course, isn't it? I think a lot of people are hoping for an Ancient Greek course one day, for which much of this blurb and the Parthenon would be much more appropriate.

Also, the bit about Greek being one of the world's most ancient languages is rather silly. The great majority of languages change organically and it's impossible to say that they are XX years old. All languages are young or old, depending on whatever way you look at it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vytah
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Italian course page has an ancient building too, and yet the course isn't teaching the Ancient Italian (also known as Latin) either.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/no.name.42
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I always thought that it would be better if they had a more modern monument for Italian, and maybe a more appropriate monument for Spanish as well.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis
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The Colosseum was at least built by the ancestors of the culture currently in Italy.

Chichen Itza is more like if they chose the pyramids for Arabic... which, considering the equally ridiculous choice for Welsh, they may well do.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Michal_90
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But with Latin it's a bit different. There is Holy See which uses latin as its official language, so Saint Peter's Square or Basilica would be actually quite logical choice instead of Colloseum which is one of the best known monuments of Italy.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis
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It would be quite something to have a modern building for Latin, and an ancient one for Italian.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis
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Modern in the sense of after the Middle Ages, not in the sense of modernism. San Pietro is from the Early Modern Period, in that terminology.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/no.name.42
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Using a monument from the Holy See to represent Latin feels like using a Canadian monument to represent French.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Michal_90
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DrSwordopolis: Since when is Saint Peter's Basilica modern building? I don't really consider 16. - 17. century architecture as "modern". Latin is generally very closely connected to Roman Catholic Church and played huge role in its past, so why not such monument.

no.name42: Why? I see no reason for such statement.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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How about the leaning towere of Pisa?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lizsue
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Did you see https://www.duolingo.com/comment/8619542 ? Raulxanchez includes visuals for hypothetical course pages. :)

He includes a picture of the Leaning Tower of Pisa for Italian, Duolingo's picture of the Colosseum this time for Latin, a picture of the Angel of Independence statue for Spanish, and Duolingo's picture of Chichen Itza this time for a Mayan language. ;)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis
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I did see that. Although cheesy, the Leaning Tower is both a) Italian and b) irreligious, satisfying those two popular demands.

As for Chichen Itza... it is likely that Ki'che will be the language chosen to be offered (first, anyways), since it is the Mayan language with the most number of speakers and is spoken in Guatemala. But it has almost nothing to do with Chichen Itza, located perhaps 1000 km (and a millenium) away, and with writing in Classic Ch'olti'an (the Mayan equivalent of Latin, sort of)... although that would have been the language of the priests and the locals would have spoken maybe Ancient Yucatec.

But since grand Mayan temples tend to broadly look the same, you could probably keep the picture and change the reference...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/coolazice
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Yes, agreed. Not to mention that anyone beginning a Modern Greek course in order to read The Odyssey would end up quite disappointed... that part in particular is very misleading and should be changed.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/txredeyes
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I also agree with this, I think the course should be called Greek (Modern), just like Norwegian (Bokmål), that would get rid of any confusion as to what sort of Greek is being taught in the course. I hope the contributors see this so that this can be resolved. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xefjord

I think most people should realize that this course is for Modern Greek without specifying, if anything Ancient Greek would be the course that has specification. But they could easily just call it "Ancient Greek" and get by fine. You don't specify English is Modern, or that Farsi is modern. You only specify a language by time period if it is something other than the present. I am all for ancient language courses. But I feel they are often more hyped than the modern language variants and that they have a superiority complex with them >.>

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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Greek is different, though - as with Latin or Sanskrit, two other "Classical" languages, there are people who use "Greek", without qualifier, to refer to the language that people learned as part of a Classical education.

Similarly with Hebrew, in fact: for some, "Hebrew" without a qualifier refers to Biblical Hebrew; for others, to Modern Hebrew.

Greek and Hebrew are different from Latin in that there is only one major language derived from it that is still around, meaning that "modern Latin" is ambiguous (do you mean Portuguese, Romanian, Italian, ...?).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xefjord

I suppose I see what you mean, but there would be no need for a modern Latin course as there is no real MODERN Latin lol.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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There are lots of Modern Latin courses already on Duolingo!

They are just called "Portuguese", "Italian", "French", and "Spanish".

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xefjord

I consider these separate languages.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/maria.nils
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I agree completely with this. And apart from the silliness of it, I think it's a good idea to be very clear about what exactly the course teaches. The course will no doubt be great for those who want to learn Modern Greek, but not so good for those who want to learn Ancient Greek. Focusing too much on the "ancientness" of the language might give new learners the wrong idea.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RafaRiff
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Go, Team Guarani!!!

I just can't wait to start this course!

(I hope you are really making a course on full Guarani, not on Yopara, its creole with Spanish)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kevinguy19
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It isn't full Guarani, however, Yopará is apparently the more widely spoken version.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RafaRiff
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But isn't Yopará a creole, like Spanglish or Portunhol? Aren't all Guarani and Spanish speakers able to speak Yopará? And aren't there a Guarani committee for the oficial language?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kevinguy19
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I think you are right, but I suppose that they might make a full Guaraní course some other time. Until then, as was being discussed in the previous WIU, they may be better off calling the course Guaraní (Jopará) for Spanish.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lizsue
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The Ateneo de Lengua y Cultura Guarani is at http://ateneoguarani.edu.py/ . Is this what you mean?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RafaRiff
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In fact I meant Academia de la Lengua Guaraní, but Ateneo also deals with official Guarani.

About teaching Yopará now and adding a Guarani later, I highly doubt it, since there are so many more languages to teach first. I think that for many years we would have to stand with this course, and this is the reason why I think teaching official Guarani would be so much better.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lizsue
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I hope they're using whichever version will work for teachers who want to use Duolingo for Schools and who already teach classes in Guarani for Spanish speakers. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Plamsy
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I am sooooo happy that Hungarian, Greek and Polish team are back (Polish nearly finished) after their long silence. I always wanted to learn three of them and I think, in the new year my dreams wil come true.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vinrute
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I'm so glad the Hungarian team is putting out regular updates and that they’re making good progress on the course! It definitely makes the waiting easier. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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HEBREW ALPHA TESTING I AM SO EXCITED!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Plamsy
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what does that mean?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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https://www.duolingo.com/Plamsy
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What's happening with the hindi course? They don't make any progress for a long time and still claim that they'll release the course on 31 DEC??

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/scarcerer
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In their week 19 report, they said they'd based the initial estimate (the one you still see) on their experience with the reverse tree. This was underestimating their workload and they will provide a fresh estimate Soon.

(And if jiten reads this, the Hindi update is currently in the Swahili update, not below it.)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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Read it and corrected it :)

And yes, soon is coming up Soon™

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alternia
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Maybe they're restructuring the tree or doing a lot of offline planning. So when they add a bunch of stuff to the tree, it'll somehow be ready by December 31st.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/eagleartillery1

Team Welsh is on fire. 50% already

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FaroukZeino
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We are looking forward the next version of the Turkish tree.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun
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Wait, what? An update from the Thai course? It looks like the course is being worked on again. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EricaHarley

Go Team Welsh!! You rock!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/efisgpr
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Exactly!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flint72
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Guarani is one of the worlds few indigenous languages

What does that even mean? All languages are indigenous to one place or another!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/qwertylaal
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that's spoken by a majority in a country. By indigenous they mean non- colonizer and colonized regions.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alternia
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It's nice to see some progress from a lot of Teams again. It's good that Greek is finally getting a course page. I'm wondering what has happened with the Klingon course, it's been a while since progress was made.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StephenL1
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As much as I like the blurb for Greek's upcoming course page. It's a little misleading to advertise it as "one of the most ancient languages in the world" or "prepare for a journey into Odyssey’s pages as written in its original language" when the language has gone through extensive changes in the last few millenia. Ancient Greek is an entirely language from Modern Greek. Someday we may have a course for Ancient Greek, and people may be confused.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andro0
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Swahili team could ask the Turkish team how they might want to deal with agglutination :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BrandenRyan
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We think we've got it figured out. We'll have to see how the course exercises work as we get more in depth on the grammar structures :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LucBE
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A lot of people don't agree, but I feel that in Turkish the tips hinder my learning. The Turkish tips give the translation of the entire word, incl. all suffixes and declensions. I believe they would be much more helpful if they only gave the stem or the basic form of the word.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to this course! Are you really going to beta before the new year?? (I'm asking because I have a sister and brother in law who lived in Tanzania (near Kilimanjaro) for a couple of years, and it would be fun to surprise them with my newly learned basic Swahili at the family gathering in January... :-) ). But no pressure! :-)

(Edit: The Turkish course is great, don't misunderstand me! The moderators are doing a great job - it's just that Duolingo wasn't built with agglutination in mind.)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/drearywinter

Go Team Welsh!!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wu1503
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Spanish for Chinese Team: last 19% !!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Plamsy
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I think the monument for Swahili is okay but It looks very dim, someone should add some white on it!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Plamsy
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Which courses do you think that we are gonna have them released before March?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/samrlevitt
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How can I become an Alpha tester?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jrikhal
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I think the very first step is for a team working on a given tree to be wanting to have you as an alpha tester. So even before that it requires that the team feel the need of alpha testers.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kevinguy19
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What are UI strings?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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All the bits of text that you see when you use the website -- "Reply" and "Give Lingot" underneath comments; "Home, Activity, Discussion" at the top; and so on.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kevinguy19
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But how does that help with new teams' progress?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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Before someone can learn French from Russian, all the website has to be in Russian... otherwise it's either in English (which people in Russia who want to learn French might not speak) or blank (which would not help anybody).

So it's kind of the prerequisite for the website to work properly, and to work properly in the "from" language. So I imagine it's one of the first things they do, and that might get counted as progress as well.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kevinguy19
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Ah, I see. Thanks for explaining it to me.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/akshan
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Французский для русскоговорящих: ребята, удачи! Сил вам и терпения! Будем ждать хороших новостей! )

2 years ago
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