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- "Вон те яблоки, пожалуйста."
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What is the difference between вон and там? I thought там was used for saying "there" when used to pointing to something fairly close. Can там or вон be used in this case? In what situation do you use one over the other?
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I think it would make it a different meaning. Like with вон meaning I want those ones and там meaning `there are the apples.
I think там is more for saying "there is", where вот is more like "there", or "that", and you point out what you're talking about. I'm not too sure, since I don't know that much, but that's what makes sense to me.
I have been taking russian for two years in university, and I have never once heard "вон те" used. How commonly is this used among russian speakers?
it's quite common actually. we use 'вон те' when we point at them with a hand or somehow physically. For example two cases:
- дайте мне пожалуйста те яблоки, что справа (we just describe their position with words)
- дайте мне пожалуйста вон те яблоки, справа (we describe their position and point at them somehow, f.e with a hand or just with a sight)
So, the word "вон" means - "follow the direction i'm pointing". BTW, this word also implies that you both are able to see the subject.
Is яблоки the subject or the object? Does вон has the same meaning as вот?
"Яблоки" is the object. "Вон" works the same way as "вот" but for pointing an object in the distance. It's "over there" instead of "here is...".
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Gosh, I'm not sure who to listen to, someone who's taken Russian as a second language at school or a native speaker who's been speaking the language his entire life.
те - plural, то - singular neuter, тот - singular masculine, та - singular feminine
- 1749
"вон" just mean "there". "те" means "those" in plural (тот in masculine singular "that", та is in femenine and то in neuter).
So a roughly traslation of this is "there those", but in English means "Those...over there".
I hope that I didn't make any mistake and that this helps.
- 1629
вон те is transalted at https://translate.yandex.ru/?lang=ru-en&text=%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D1%82%D0%B5 as "yonder" -> "Yonder apples, please". (With "yonder", in American English "over there" would be redundant, because "yonder" means "that/those [noun/nouns] over there".)
- 1084
I am not a native English speaker, so could somebody explain to me, why "those apples there, please" is not accepted?
It is confusing as to which apples. Those apples already defines which apples. Adding "there" is going to confuse people and make them wonder if you have changed your mind as to which apples you want.
- 873
"these" and "here" both refer to something close by. "those" and "there" refer to something farther away. "These apples here" or "These apples over here" consistently refer to apples that are relatively close to the speaker. "Those apples there" consistently refers to apples that are farther away from the speaker. "Those apples over there" consistently refers to apples that are even farther away than the apples that are simply "there". To say "These (...) over there" is inconsistent and sounds awkward. If you said that while gesturing or pointing to the items you want a native English speaker would likely understand what you mean, but it sounds weird. If your are not a native English speaker, it might help to remember that "here" rhymes with "near". "here" is something located near the speaker. "there" is something between not so near or far from the speaker. "over there" is something not at all nearby or much farther away from the speaker. I hope that helps :-)
You already have "these apples". Why are you asking for apples you already have?
it is not necessary to require the word "over" in the sentence. It marked it wrong for "Those apples there, please"
There is not necessary either. "Those apples, please" is the best way of saying this. Over there adds emphasis in case the clerk isn't paying attention. There alone will just confuse the clerk or make the clerk think you are being a jerk.
Meme exercice, deux phrases structurees identiquement deux traductions differentes
In American English, "over there" is totally redundant and would rarely be used. Those apples are already over there otherwise they would be these apples
