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"Мы смотрим, как девочка играет на скрипке."
Translation:We are watching the girl playing the violin.
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Never mind, I figured it out. For others, this is just how the complex object can be expressed in Russian. It's a construction to get used to.
By the way, does your structure make sense in English? I am not strictly against more literal translations, as long as they do not distort the meaning past the point of recognition.
I would be against allowing "we watch how the girl plays the violin" not because it's wrong, but if it had accepted my answer I wouldn't have learned that it's how to express the complex object in general
I think if it was more literal then the importance of the construction might be lost
I can always add a reject message first. :)
The important thing is to not lose the meaning. For example, both "The ball is in the box" and "The ball is on the box" are correct English sentences but they aren't both adequate translations of «Мяч лежит в коробке». "Travel" and "make a journey" are similar but, probably, not in "Light makes a journey in a straight line unless affected by a gravitational field of a large mass".
I don't think you should have it as a suggested response. At least to me, watching "how" someone does something implies that I'm trying to learn from it. I don't think that's the intended meaning here ... ?
"Как" means "as" here. So it would be, "We watch, as the girl plays the violin."
since как means "how", why is "we are watching the girl playing the violin" acceptable? I mean... there is a huge difference between watching somebody playing and watching how somebody plays something.
It is a set structure. To express how you listen to or look at (hear, see) someone's actions as they do them, you use смотреть or слушать (видеть, слышать) and then use unstressed как to connect a clause. Usual Russian rules of sequence of tenses work (i.e. the verb will usually be in the present tense, because the verb of the clause is understood to be relative to the verb in the main clause)
If you need the literal interpretation of как badly, you use context to support your point or emphasise it in your speech (rewording will also help, naturally).. Think of this: there is a huge difference betwen closely watching someone, who is playing the violin (cops do it if they suspect somehing fishy's going on), and watching someone play violin (audience does this). Yet in English "We are watching the girl playing the violin" means both.
Admittedly, these sentences in the course are sort of artificial. In real life "X watched Y do something" would appear as a part of a larger story («Что ты делал?» — «(Я) просто слушал, как она поёт»). Unfortunately, long sentences are no fun on Duolingo, so we keep it simple when we can.
interesting... now I see. It seems that my question was more related to Portuguese than English, I guess...
so lets say I'm a violinist as well, but she have done a sound I have never heard before with the violin. I want to see how she does it so I could reproduce it. I'm watching specifically how she plays the violin. I mean, her technique. the chords, etc.
How would that be in Russian, if any different from the original?
Thanks
Thanks, that helps.
BTW, in your example the English would not be the same for close watching; it would be the version that many of us have typed as a literal translation: "We are watching how the girl plays the violin".
In the end, verbs like watching/hearing take как instead of что, if I'm correct. But how to express in Russian "I'm watching HOW she plays violin" (the way she does that), as put in by taffarelbergamin ?
That means "We are looking at the girl (who is) playing violin". Literally.
I agree with AmbassadorTigger. In English, "We are watching the girl play" focuses on her action. But "We are watching the girl playing" focuses on her, as if we were answering the question "Which girl are you watching?".
To me, the recommended translation sounds like that's exactly what is meant, and would rather see "We are watching the girl play violin" for the meaning I believe is meant by this Russian sentence.
'We are watching the girl playing the violin' as opposed to 'we are watching the girl play the violin', is it the 'как' that makes the distinction?
"We are watching the girl play the violin" might be slightly better than "We are watching the girl playing the violin". The latter sentence is ambiguous: it could mean we are watching the girl who is playing the violin, as opposed to the girl who is playing the cello. "We are watching how the girl plays the violin" is a grammatical English sentence, but it means that we are either evaluating her technique or watching in order to learn to play ourselves, not simply "We are watching the girl (as she is) playing the violin".
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So "we watch/are watching as the girl plays the violin" is incorrect? And what about "we watch/are watching how the girl plays/is playing the violin"? How would these be said differently, if they are not correct translations here?
"While" would be пока, whereas как is "how". Native speakers (on another question) have commented that this is an idiom, and usually means just the given translation.
Did you read the other comments before posting this? There is a good, clear explanation by a course contributor - search for "set structure" on this page.
