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in romanian we use stakan ( stacana ) as slang meaning a great big mug or glass like when drinking a large amount of something :P
That's interesting. In Persian, we use estekan (which I suspect has been borrowed from Russian) to refer to a cup. So "estekan chai" is a common phrase for a cup of tea.
We use the word "leevan" for glass. Not sure where that word has been borrowed from...
According to Wiktionary it was borrowed from a Turkic language into Old East Slavic. So I suspect it is more likely that Persian also borrowed it from a Turkic language
no damigeana is a container around 5 liter capacity and usually for alcoholic drinks... stacana can be used for anything even non drink
"Damijeana" sounds like the Italian "damigiana". :D
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I wonder if the origin is the Spanish word "damajuana" -- it seems to be the only language in which the word has another meaning ("Lady Juana")
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In French, there is the word "Dame-jeanne" (Lady Jane), refering to a glass vessel with a large body and short neck, usually enclosed in wickerwork, of a capacity of 20 to 50 litres (5 to 11 gal).
Yes my father used to make wine in gallon glass containers, which were called demijons.
Usually, we use "бокал" or "кружка" to drink beer, because "стакан" is too small, ~250 ml. Not to mention, the phrase sounds slightly unnatural. "Это моё пиво" or "это мой бокал" would be better.
I was going to ask about this, because it sounds equally un-natural in English to emphasize the "glass of" part. This lesson is all about genitive and quantities of, so I know why they used it that way. But in the bar, I'll know to just say Это моё пиво!
PS, Google translates "бокал" as "wineglass" or "goblet". Would it always mean a glass with a stem, or is it also used for any large glass that isn't a mug? (The only time we get beer in glasses with a stem in Canada is for posh European beers like Stella Artois.)
Also in Canada, if you asked for a "glass of beer" at a bar, the server would probably ask "Do you want a pint or just a glass?" Pint is 470-570mL, depending on the bar (American or British measurements). Glass would mean not more than 350mL. So that part is consistent: if you specifically order a glass of beer, it means something smaller than the normal serving. But we still call the larger glasses "beer glasses" or "pint glasses".
https://images.crateandbarrel.com/is/image/Crate/WheatBeer24ozSHS16 — not necessarily with a stem, this usually is also called бокал (or пивной бокал to be more specific).
Regarding the volume, we have two standard doses of beer in Russia and some other countries of former USSR — 0,33 l and 0,5 l, and neither of them is called стакан anyway, at least, none of my friends/acquaintances say so. Normally we just say(order) "пиво ноль три" and "пиво ноль пять".
Anyway, in most cases, beer is served in mugs here. And in some places (e.g. in Kazakhstan) it is believed, that mugs are for men, and glasses are for women, sometimes even with plastic straws)))))
I saw this firsthand in Kyrgyzstan a few weeks ago. A lady i was eating with ordered our beer and they brought it in mugs with curly pink straws.
In the UK when I was younger (say 30 years ago) many pubs would not serve ladies a pint, and would give them a stem glass rather than a beer glass. At least ladies could order at the bar by then... not so long before that, they might not be served
According to service standards:
Beer mug (eng) - пивная кружка (rus) Water glass - стакан для воды Etc.
Each country has the same classification. In this case "Glass of вeer" means "стакан пива"
Agree! "Стакан пива" in Russia it is as funny as "a cup of wine" or "кружка чая" :-)
Пивной стакан or стакан для пива. Can also be пивная кружка, referring to a mug with a handle.
... nothing against chatting. But it would be nice to find essential informations about this complicated russian stuff without digging through all this - truely nice - twitterings. :-)
Обьяснение используя падежи: - стакан (кого, чего) пива Learn the падеж system and you'll know 99.99 endings
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обычно пиво пьют не из стаканов а из кружек. Даже если емкость для жидкости стеклянная, но у неё есть ручка, это называется кружкой: https://www.google.de/search?q=%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%BA%D0%B0+%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNpJixgrHKAhXnnXIKHb_1D0oQ_AUIBygB&biw=1280&bih=843 а стаканы (стеклянная или пластиковые) - без ручек
Does мой here have a relationship with стакан or the employed form of пиво? Since пиво is masculine, it would make sense that the word which мой is made to match with is пиво, rather than стакан.
Пиво is not masculine, it's neutral gender. Мой refers to the glass, which is masculine, therefore мой is also masculine. If you wanted to say "my beer" it would translate as "мое пиво" -- both are neutral gender here.
It's a glass of beer, where glass is the subject and beer its complement, so glass is nominative while beer is genitive.
I can't say for Russian but for German it would be. (though without the glass) Das ist mein Bier.
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What is "partiative?" Which word in this sentence is in its "partiative" form? Pls help ;-;
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"partitive" is literally supposed to signify a part of something. But it's really a confusing term and this exercise doesn't even strictly qualify as partitive. It's better to think of this lesson as a type of genitive, where "of noun" in English is getting translated into Russian genitive nouns.
Does anyone else notice that пиво and пива sound exactly the same? How am I supposed to know which is which, and when to use пиво or пива?
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Пиво is the base (nominative) form. Пива is genitive and also the plural form. There is no difference in pronunciation so you can only tell from the context and the words around it.
Бокал please!!! Do not teach wrong the beer lovers how to have a proper beer!
It does indeed! I had to listen to it several times and every time I heard "pila". Then I wrote "pila" in my answer and the system said it was correct! What the hell?
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It's "glass of beer" and having "of" before a word puts it in genitive. пива is the genitive form of пиво.
• стака́н (stakán) [stɐˈkan] m inan (genitive стака́на, nominative plural стака́ны, genitive plural стака́нов) "drinking glass" From Old East Slavic достаканъ (dostakanŭ), from Turkic (compare Chagatai tostakan (“wooden bowl”), Tatar тустыган (tustığan, “cup”), Bashkir туҫтаҡ (tuθtaq, “cup for drinking koumiss”), Kazakh тостаған (tostağan, “wooden cup”)).
• пи́во (pívo) [ˈpʲivə] n inan (genitive пи́ва, nominative plural пи́ва, genitive plural пив) "beer; portion of beer" From Old East Slavic пиво (pivo), from Proto-Slavic *pivo (“drink, beer”), from Proto-Indo-European *ph₃iwom. Equivalently from *piti (“to drink”). Cognate with Ancient Greek πῖνον (pînon, “beer”).
"Это мой пивной стакан", but it better to say "Это моя пивная кружка". And that doesn't mean that there is beer in it, it's just a glass for beer.
I really wish the lessons would actually explain how "cup" (стакан) sometimes means the unit of measurement. The examples made little sense and I had to dig too deep in these comments to figure it out.
Why пива and not пиво? What case is it and how does thte grsammar rule work?
It's genitive, so "my glass "of" beer". You replace an -o on the end of neuter nouns with an -a. (and add an -a to masculine nouns ending in a hard consonant)
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I'm not 100% sure about this but the usual English interpretation is that "glass of beer" means a glass with beer in it, while "beer glass" means en empty glass that is also the type of glass used for beer.
Presumably the same thing is true in Russian. So if you want to say "beer glass" (an empty glass) you would write пивной стакан instead. Пивной is the form you use before another noun, it basically turns beer into an adjective.
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It's glass "of beer", and words with "of" in front of them translate to the genitive case, hence a different ending.
