It would be nice if duo would give some sentence structure lessons before they mark you wrong on this one.
Well you know that sono is i am or they are but you can figure out that it is "i am" since ragazzo is singular and if you translated it word for word it would be "Not I am a boy" so you could then figure out that it means "I am not a boy". but it could just possibly be that it is only obvious to latin speakers, like me, since in latin there is no particular order that words are placed in (you use different cases but the ending depends on its gender (Masculine, Feminine or Neuter), number and declension [ sorry that was kind of confusing]).
the orange highlight for "Non" gave two options "not" and "no" - my translation, was "no, I am a boy"
Well, a comma should be placed between "non" and "sono" if you insist your answer.
Same, it's confusing not knowing when to use what answer. Or what answer is correct, especially since you are basically saying the same thing.
Not every Latin languages... Let's take Portuguese for instance: this would be translated to "EU NÃO SOU um garoto", word by word: "I NOT AM a boy". In gramatical Portuguese you can't say it differently, but in the North and North-East of Brazil, people would say "EU SOU um garoto NÃO", word by word: "I AM a boy NOT", which is a pain in understanding a conversation for people who are from the South, like me...
Edit: the word "EU" (meaning "I") is optional because "SOU" already means "I AM". I've just added it for making the words positioning point.
True, even in Spanish its "No soy un chico" which seems like Not I am a boy. In French its "Je ne suis pas un garçon" Which can be I not am not a boy. Its better when people get used to it. :P
good point. here is table with changes http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/italian/language_notes/sono_sei_e.html
CochiCarrie, when he says "Latin", I suppose he is referring to the Romance Languages (which were based in Latin)
But that is not the pedagogical style in which duoLingo was designed, at all. If you want such a style, you probably are best off using a different course for grammatical instruction, and supplementing with duoLingo for vocabulary and for practice.
It is my guess that a lot of people are either using duoLingo to supplement other instruction, or other instruction to supplement duoLingo.
It would be nice if you read the tips and notes at the bottom of every new skill page. duo already gave those for you.
Getting things wrong isn't a bad thing, you learn a lot from your mistakes. Being afraid to make those mistakes is one of the biggest deterrents to language learning.
Thank you! Like it said "Non" means not then "sono" was am, so I blankly put "Not am a boy." because that's what it told me it meant, and I got it wrong. -___-
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i think the idea is just memorize "non sono" as "i'm not" without any need to understand :D just take it as it is :D
Yes, I think this is the popular modern theory of language pedagogy: teach phrases earlier, and delay grammatical study.
Oh, please. There would be a myriad of things to remember if one thought like that. Better to get to the root of it.
'Non' negates a sentence, and is generally placed just before the verb.
'Sono' is the first person singular form of 'essere' (to be), i.e. 'am'.
I don't hear the "un" part. That or i need to clean the peanutbutter out of my ears. Lol
It's definitely not pronounced clearly and I had to doublecheck to make sure it was "un" by listening to the slow audio. I reported it.
Did anyone else not hear 'un' in the quicker audio version of this sentence? Or was it just me...
Same here. She completely skips "un." Which would likely be a realistic way to speak in Italy - but we shouldn't have to use the slower, single syllable pronunciation just to know what the sentence is.
You would probably only say this when you are talking to someone who can't see very well...
Or if you're transgender/genderqueer/have an androgyonous appearance...?
What is the difference between "non" and "no"? I never know when to use which one.
I'm not really good at explaining, but I'll try. You use "non" like a "not" in english, so you add it to a verb if you want to give negation to a sentence; "no" just means "no". For example, if you want to say "I am not a boy", it translates (literally) "Io sono non un ragazzo" but since in Italian the negation usually goes before the verb it becomes "Io non sono un ragazzo". You might also want to say "No, I am not a boy" and it would be "No, io non sono un ragazzo".
I hope this is clear enough :)
I think the fact that "Non." in French means "No." in English makes it confusing when learning Italian or French.
Well, that is not used in modern English, but might be considered a historically accurate translation. So it depends what you mean by "incorrect"; that is, it depends on the context of your translation target.
the verb form would be different. You must remember that unlike in English all Italian verbs need to be conjugated to fit the person in the sentence. 'Sono' can only indicate 1 person in singular or third person in plural. Noun 'ragazzo' is singular, so it has to be 1st person i singular at the end -'non sono un ragazzo'. If you want ' you are not a boy' you need to conjugate verb 'essere' to a proper form, in this case: you are - tu sei. Therefore your sentence would be translated as '(tu) non sei un ragazzo'
It is a bit hard whith the microphone because when you are going to say something in it and somebody else is talking at the same time, you just get mixed up , so that is why i sometimed just tuch the button that says " I can't use the microphone right now, and i get over whith it
So besides there not being a comma, is this also how you would say "No, I am a boy."? If so, how would someone know the difference? Is it just the way you say it? I guess you would pause after "Non" and then say "I am a boy" whereas in this sentence "non sono" runs together.
they sould teach us about how the sentence would be constructed in english before they mark us wrong
It's not a test like the SAT. The mistakes are part of the learning. There are plenty of places you can find that kind of instruction and I don't even think it's cheating to have references on hand to look things up as you go.
Think of it like a game, where you learn by trial and error. Yes, that means making errors. But to advance in the 'game' you learn from your mistakes and gain mastery.
just my two lira worth.
I'm sorry I know your comment's a year old, but is the SAT hard? Like was it tricky or straightforward?
first person is '(io) sono' for third person would have been '(lui/lei) e'. If you think about plural (loro sono) then it can't be ragazzo, but ragazzi (plural form of a noun). Hope that helps!
Yeah I got confused on this one, and it seems I'm not the only one. "Non" clearly means "not" or "no" but for whatever reason "I am not a boy" didn't even cross my mind. Some sentence-structure lessons would be great at this point.
Yes, "sono" means "I am" and "they are". You can tell which it is by the noun or adjective that follows. In this case, "ragazzo" is singular, so we know that it's "I am". If it was "non sono ragazzi", then it would be "they are not boys".
Duo is very confused on what gender they are. Danish: Jeg ikke en pige. Italian: Non sono un ragazzo. What?
They were showing me a new word "non" and saying it meant not and then I type in " Not am a boy" which makes no sense but then they say its wrong ugh duo needs to explain this one better :(
My oral comprehension sucks. I have no problem with the written aspects of Duolingo, but I am always straining to understand what she is saying-even on the slower speed.
why is "non' put before "sono"? In english, it's equivalent to "I not am a boy.".
I think that Italian "non" is much like English "not", and Italian "no" is much like English "no".
yeah i agree with everyone that has said the they should give us a few letters a the start coz they just go wrong and we normally don't want to be wrong am i right
Normally, we don't want to be wrong, absolutely. But if you want to be able to speak a foreign language, you have to learn how to not be afraid to be wrong.
As you'll see later, 'ragazzo' is 'boy' but also used loosely to mean 'boyfriend'. Thus the sentence also translates to 'I'm not a boyfriend'. 22Jul15
by "negation" do you mean that anytime you're disproving something, or when it's negative? By disproving i mean, for example, "Io non sono un ragazzo", is disproving that you're a boy.
I think the io is implied through the conjugation of the verb to sono. I may be wrong, though.
I just misspelled boy as bot. At least the sentence wasn't "I am a boy" xD
Why is not a boy wrong it confused me by saying that when you hover over the words
its very nice to have something like that! because its very usfull also for kids to learn some languages its just fun!!!
I find it annoying the fact that making a mistake on a letter sometimes is taken as a good response and sometimes not. I don't consider it a mistake not putting the accent on "I'm" when the whole phrase is correct.
In Italy use: personal pronoun (often omitted) + denial "non" + verb + direct object ecc.
Sometimes you have to use common sense on DuoLingo. Sometimes DuoLingo wants to make sure you screw up, this is one of those times.
Ex.1: I am not a boy. Ex.2: No, i am a boy. DuoLingo, give us some sentence structures, cause now i'm thinking about RosettaStone...
Did u know u can press the mic and then press the read aloud and it will count correc
I had trouble hearing whether the ending was an e or an a, but it didn't sound like an o! So not clear.
This is a very helpful sentence. My name is Andrea, this is a female name in my country, but male in Italy. I reserved a room in Italy, they think, I'm a boy. When i will check in the hotel, I can use this sentence.... :D
If you get something wrong they shouldn't have you just keep going. They should explain what is the correct answer and ways to help remember, that would help not only me but other users learn the languages better.
Italian is the first language I learn that has different words for "no" and "not"
So now i have some questions. First, non shows that it is a negative sentence and is always used before the verb? For example it would be "Io non sono un ragazza." or something else? Second, you dont need to add the subject becuse sono itself means "I am" or because its ending shows who "does" what the verb says? Whichever is correct, does this also apply to other verbs or only passive verbs or only sono? Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post.
1) Yes, "non" makes a sentence negative and comes before the verb.
"(io) non sono una ragazza" = I am not a girl
You need "una" instead of "un" because "ragazza" is feminine.
2) Verbs do not need subject pronouns because the conjugation includes the subject. "Essere" (to be) is an irregular verb, but the conjugation is as follows:
(io) sono - I am
(tu) sei - you are
(lui / lei) è - he/she is
(noi) siamo - we are
(voi) siete - you (plural) are
(loro) sono - they are
Subject pronouns are rarely used because they are not necessary; the verb tells you who does the action.
You actually learn more from your failures than you do from answering the question correctly. Just trust the system. The app is teaching you how to speak when you arrive in italy, not how to recite the alphabet or count to ten. Non= Not and No=no
Why you you ever need to say this, its also in german and irish!! And woman and man!!
One question I put 'he is not a boy' and get it wrong because I put boy and not kid, and this time I put 'he is not a kid' and get it wrong because I don't put boy. Great help.
Why is it marked incorrect if I put "No, I'm not a boy." When the answer is "No, I am not a boy." It's the same thing.
If you look at the top of this discussion, the expected answer is "I am not a boy". The reason your answer is being marked incorrect is because of the "no". The Italian word "non" means "not". If you wanted to say "no, I'm not a boy", the Italian would be "no, non sono un ragazzo".
I was marked incorrect for using "boy" earlier. The correct one was "kid". So, when this one came, also with ragazzo, I put "kid". Wrong again, now it's boy -- very confusing!
Ragazzo also means child. So why was i marked wrong for saying, "no, im not a child"?
So to clarify, 'No' is simply 'No' in English and 'Non' is used connected to a verb?
Ok, so im very confused. I keep getting this question and i can never tell if it's: No i am a boy, or no i am not a boy. I want to know how i know which one it is.
I think you might be confused about the Italian words "non" and "no". "Non" means not and "no" means no. In Italian, the non comes before the verb.
Non sono un ragazzo.
Not I am a boy = I am not a boy.
No, sono un ragazzo.
No, I am a boy.
No, non sono un ragazzo.
No, not I am a boy = No, I am not a boy.
I am not happy with the way that I am learning because in Italian would be OK but in English there are a lot of mistakes. It is important to learn correctly because once you know something and by the practice, you begins to grab it and after it is difficult to erase. For me, the firsts lessons (basics) were Ok but now it doesn't sense.
It is a bit hard whith the microphone because when you want to talk in it and somebody else is talking at the same time, you just get mixed up. So that is why I sometimes touch " I cant use the microphone right now
In the fast speed "un" is not heard. It is heard in slow speed. Also the report function does not permit reporting this. This is the second time I have been unable to report a problem because the report function choices did not include the problem.
Duo isn't fair, spelling mistake of one letter should be taken into consideration as a typo. Just saying.
excuse me bUT. I wrote " no i am not a boy" like what is the difference idk why they consider that wrong but okay
In English it would be ok to say "No, I am not a boy", which is what the negative tends to lend itself to.
Non sono un ragazzo means i am not a boy.I needed to know that first time lol...In my defense nobody i sperfect haha...hopefuly
Here again the enunciation is not clear. I re-listen again and again and I cannot hear the italian "un".
Why isn't "un" said in the play back? It said to type what I hear but I did not hear an "un".
How many times do I have to repeat the same "super easy phrases" before the lesson is over? I clicked Skip because I've answered them all too many times now and the program records this option as an error. Como?