https://www.duolingo.com/Xefjord

Icons for languages in the same country?

If you go to the incubator and try to contribute to a course, you will notice two of your options use the flag of India, Hindi and Punjabi. Both are languages only really spoken in India and it would make sense for them to both have the Indian flag. But whenever you think about it. If they eventually add 5 different Indic languages and someone went to study all five of those. That would have their posts on the discussion board popping up with levels in five of the same flags in a row. And you won't be able to discern which language is which just from its flag anymore.

In some cases areas are separated enough politically they could probably use their own regional flag (Like Scottish Gaelic probably could use the Flag of Scotland without much issue. As Catalan uses the Catalan flag despite being in Spain) but is there any places that are less independent from their host nations and probably wouldn't easily have their own flag? (I am not sure.) but it could get confusing. I also kind of wonder if even if a language uses the same flag (Like Hindi and Punjabi) will they have different monuments on their course pages? XD Is there some languages from the same country that are so different they might even have their own separate course color?

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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For Punjabi the Nishan Sahib could be used:

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This was the flag of Ranjit Singh's Punjabi-speaking empire.

Additionally, if you compare course colours with language flags, so far the 'colour' of the language has always been a colour from the chosen flag. It clearly has nothing to do with how similar the languages are, as Danish and Norwegian are different colours.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SteveLando
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Punjab has it's own flag, why does they not use that!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
garpike
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As the Punjab is divided between Indian and Pakistan, and both administrative areas named 'Punjab' have different symbols, choosing either of them might prove rather contentious.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/FairlandHippie

Bokmål and Nynorsk ?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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Having just one Norwegian flag would be confusing if they ever brought out a separate Nynorsk course, but I doubt they will. (Just as I don't think they'll bring out separate pt-BR and pt-PT courses, or en-US and en-GB.)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/semonje
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Those aren't really comparable. British/American English and Brazil/Portugal Portuguese only have minor regional differences.

Nynorsk and Bokmål are two separate written languages entirely, with their own words, forms and history. Also, Bokmål is based on Danish, while Nynorsk is based on a majority of Norwegian dialects.

We're working on getting a Nynorsk course, and I doubt that it'll be that confusing.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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The context was flags -- if you represent Bokmål and Nynorsk by the same flag, that would surely be confusing.

As far as I know, neither language has a flag, so they use the flag of Norway for the current course, and there wouldn't be an alternate flag for a Nynorsk course, would there?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/semonje
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Oh, my bad. Read too quick. That would be confusing, indeed. They (we) would have to come up with something smart.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dcarl1
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Punjabi is spoken also widely in Pakistan. But of course one flag had to be picked, so the majority area got the tip of the hat here.

I imagine that cultural symbols could be used in part to stand in for the distinction you mention.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jgstcd
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If Wikipedia is to be believed they've done the opposite. The article on Punjabi says there are about twice as many speakers in Pakistan as in India.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dcarl1
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Ah, interesting. I guess I had assumed a greater impact from Partition. Thanks for the clarification.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jessica4201
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I imagine it will depend on the version of the language being used. I'm not sure how different Indian Punjabi and Pakistani Punjabi are, but in the cases of English and Portuguese the versions spoken in the Americas are used, in addition to the flags and landmarks being from that part of the world. Meanwhile the European versions of French and German are taught here and thus they use European flags and landmarks. The odd exception is Spanish, with a European flag and a landmark from the Americas. I guess it essentially boils down to this: whoever creates the course chooses the aesthetics.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis
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The use of the off-colour Indian flag in the Incubator is presumably a placeholder for any future Punjabi courses. As previously mentioned, there are more Punjabi speakers in Pakistan, where it is the most commonly spoken first language, than in India. (It's also now the most commonly spoken language in Canada that isn't English or French, having passed Cantonese). However, Urdu is the national language of Pakistan, so that language would probably get the Pakistani flag. Give Bengali the flag of Bangladesh and Sinhalese the flag of Sri Lanka, and that is 4.

However, Punjabi could easily use a marker of Punjab identity instead, such as something involving the Khanda. India is an extremely linguistically dis-jointed country, which will make it more difficult for Punjabi, Telugu, Tamil, Kannada, etc... but a flag or something like a flag should be able to be chosen for any of them. Same with other regional languages of Europe... Basque, Breton, Scots-Gaelic, for example, all have easily chosen flags. Cantonese could use the flag of Hong Kong.

Even many of the indigenous languages of the Americas have flags or flag-like things, such as the Mayan languages and Aymara (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiphala).

This kind of question is more complicated for languages like Yiddish, which doesn't really have a flag.

I also wonder about something like Romansh. Is the Swiss flag appropriate, or is there a Romansh identity marker? Also about Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo... which, if any, would use the Nigerian flag?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis
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Punjabi does have this obvious choice for a monument, but I hope they don't choose it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmandir_Sahib

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis
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Maybe the Lahore Fort instead.

2 years ago
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