"Мне надо нарезать сыр."

Translation:I need to slice the cheese.

November 28, 2015

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Everyone better clear the room...


I love that it accepts "I need to cut the cheese."


Yeah, had to test that out


How can you not? Was not disappointed.


i'm given words in buttons that only really constructs this, this is the answer they expect lol


it did not accept mine...


"... Clear the room." Hilarious!


Do Russians use this expression to mean "I need to fart" the way Americans say "I need to cut the cheese" or is it only used by Russians to refer to the slicing of a dairy product in a culinary sense?


No, it doesn't mean anything like that xD "To cut the cheese" means you need to cut the cheese xD


Can we use "нужно" instead of "надо" to mean the same thing?


Could someone please tell me why "мне" is used? Is this dative? Thanks :-)


Think of "it is necessary FOR ME"


"мне" is indeed the dative of "я"


Yes, it's dative because надо requires dative


I try to think of dative in this usage like "Life gave me a situation where I need to do something" ;)


Think "for me it is necessary" or "it is necessary for me".


a statement on the universality of the human condition.


Why is "I must slice cheese" wrong?


Because "to need" is something that yourself requires, while "must" refers more to something someone else wants you to do or that you absolutely need to do, which is not the case here, cause you just need to cut it for a reason but you don't actually have to.


So how would you say "I must slice the cheese" in Russian? When I took Russian lessons in school, we learnt it that way, that нужно is the less serious word for having to do something. Is it the other way round?


I must = я дОлжен (or я должнА for females).


Ah right, I forgot about должен, thanks!


Can 《должен》 also mean "should?"


To be sure you get across the full meaning of 'I must', you should say "Я непременно должен"


No, not at all. "нужно" is less strong than "надо". Though it'd be better if you asked someone with more knowledge of the language, I am just a beginner ;)


Who told you that "нужно" is less strong than "надо"? They are absolutely interchangible in most cases. Exceptions include "надо бы" and the questions "Что вам нужно?" and "Чего (вам/тебе) надо?". The former is neutral, although not particularly friendly, the latter is really rude. In a informal conversation, "надо" is used slightly more often than "нужно" mostly because it is easier to pronounce.


Context (as well as intonation) means a lot, though. So often we use "must" in a more casual way without any real sense of an imperative. ."I must go there sometime", or "I really must have a go at that" - these can express a rather vague desire to do something. I think you're right in your explanation, but the sentence "I must slice cheese" doesn't have to be interpreted in English as strictly as that - it could vary from" I will be punished if I don't slice cheese" right though to "What a great idea - I think I will slice some cheese" If you really do enjoy slicing cheese that much!


Must refers to someone else?! What? No.


I read this as "I need to cut the cheese"... does this saying also apply to farts in Russia as it does in the USA? Because I'm laughing so hard right now.


It is very seldom if ever that a Russian announces the need to fart. In the past it was done by saying, "Мне надо выпустить голубкА" (I need to let a little pigeon out). Nowadays a kid/ teenager may warn his or her company by saying, "я собираюсь испортить воздух" or "осторожно, газы!"


Haha, I like that term xD thanks for the info though!

I take it your first language is Russian? Or you've been there or something? (I mean you seem to know enough about the culture that indicates to me you've lived there at some point)


Yeah, Russian's my mother tongue. And I've been living in Russia all my life (except a couple of years I spent in the U.S.)

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So, I don't suppose it would be appropriate to request that someone "Потяните палец." ??


«Потянуть палец» means “to strain the tendon in your finger”. If used in the imperative, the phrase will be meaningless.

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Hm. Then it wouldn't be appropriate. Thanks! ;-)


"нарезать" sounds other than expected. Is there a special rule for how to say"-зать"


I believe the "а" in -зать, since unstressed, is pronounced as a schwa /ə/. This is pronounced close to the "uh" as in "uh-oh."


In this text нарезать is actually read regularly; what you need to know is that "з" is always read as a "z" as in 'zoo', then the "а" is read as an open "a" as in 'last', but there are some occasions in which you read it as the "e" in 'belly'. Regarding the "ть", seeing that it's followed by the softening letter "ь", it's approximately the sound you get with 'spritz' with the last "tz". There isn't actually a corresponding sound of that compound in English, but if you listen to the audio speaker, you'll soon get used to it.


З is not weak s but z


Why not I need to cut a cheese?


That is now accepted.


Is сырь nominative or accusative?


Historically, сыр is the short form of the adjective сырой (damp, raw). In Ukranian the word refers to cottage cheese. The meaning "damp" still occurs in the idiom "Из-за чего сыр бор (разгорелся)?" (literally, Why did the damp forest catch fire?) = "What is all the fuss over?"


It is not spelt with the soft sign. Visit this link if you have any such questions en.wiktionary.org/wiki/сыр#Russian


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Why this sentence had to be represented with dative and not accusative?


«Мне» (dative) is always used with «надо»/«нужно» to say “I need” if you need to do anything yourself. Literally it means “[for] me [it is] necessary”. «Меня» (accusative) may occur before «надо»/«нужно», but only as a direct object of the verb that follows «надо»/«нужно». For example, «меня надо любить» means “I need to be loved” - literally, “[It is] necessary to love me”.


thank you for your answer


It should be наре'зать. нареза'ть is wrong


I don't think there is a clear difference between' must' and 'should' in spoken English


You know, there's a big difference. Don't you mean "shall"?


I'm talking about "мне надо нарезать сыр". I think "I must" and" I should" would both cut the mustard in English.


I'm not an expert in English, just a student. You may be right. In that case, in addition, translations in the opposite direction must contain words like мне стоит or мне следует slice the cheese. It sounds very unusual in Russian.


Мне стОит это сделать = (literally) It is worth my doing it = I think I should do it. (I consider it worthy). Мне следует это сделать = I should do it / I ought to do it (Someone recommends it or it is wise to do it). Мне надо это сделать = I need to do it / I have to do it. (I feel the need to do it). Я непременно/обязательно/во что бы то ни стало должен это сделать = I MUST do it. Мне приходится / Я вынужден это делать = I have to do it. Мне не обязательно это делать = Я могу этого не делать = I don't have to do it. Зря/Напрасно я это сделал. = Мне не следовало этого делать. = I shouldn't have done it. Я мог этого и не делать. = Мне незачем было это делать. = I needn't have done it (Br. Eng) / I didn't have to do it (Am.Eng). Не может быть, чтобы он это сделал. = He couldn't have done it. Возможно, он этого не делал. = He might not have done it (, after all). Я, пожалуй, это сделаю. = I may/might as well do it.


Спасибо Дмитры. That's really informative. I'll try to get my head around those different nuances. I see you use the perfective form сделать, though on one occasion you use делать. Does the perfective imply future? Could you have used either in all the examples?


@DavidCorba5: The perfective implies that the action either has been finished or has not yet started. It also implies that we are talking about a one-time action or an action that has been or will be performed a specified number of times. If the number of times is uncertain, or you continue to do what you've been doing, the imperfective is used. The imperfective is also used if you negate the very option of starting an action. So only the imperfective can be used with мне не следовало or мне незачем; and only the perfective can be used with "я, пожалуй,". In all other examples it is possible to use either, but the meaning will not be the same.


Good point. I'm merely a student of Russian and had never heard of мне стоит or мне следует. But you've probably answered by question. Possibly Russian makes a more definite distinction between the two concepts - I should and I must. There is a difference in English but maybe we can be lazy about it. "I should" is a bit like a duty (though it doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to do it), whereas "I must" is more like I had better get on with it. Interesting that Russian has this slightly more impersonal construction. We put I as the subject, not into an oblique case (to me).


Tank you for chatting to me about these verbs. But note in the case "I must" it'd be "Я должен" because Мне должен means somebody owes me.


Need to, Should or Must are all the same and should all be correct. Please!


I understand that they mean the same thing, but there are different words for them in Russian. The aim is for you to give as literal a translation as you can, rather than carry across the meaning of the sentence. However, I can understand the frustration. By the way, "should" and "must" are slightly different. "Should" denotes that it is something that would be convenient if it was completed. "Must" is something that is imperative to complete. Also, "need to" is more casual, where as "must" is a stronger word.


But in Russian there's no much difference.


We need to slice cheese isn't acceptable? Would it not be the same?


The person who did this knew exactly what they where doing, and they're hilarious


Why do i need to say "мне надо" instead of "я надо"?


Unlike “need”, надо is not a verb. «Мне надо» literally translates into “for me [it is] necessary”. The word надо was formed by cutting the word надобно — the neuter gender short form of the adjective надобный. «Надобно» was widely used as an impersonal predicate before the end of the 19th century when it was gradually replaced by «надо». The noun надобность (the need/necessity) is still widely used along with its synonyms нужда and необходимость. Нужда may also mean “poverty” and is related to the adjective нужный which means “necessary”. So one can say, «Мне надо», «мне нужно» and «мне необходимо» for “I need”.


So, to be clear- when americans say "i need to cut the cheese" that DOES NOT mean the same thing in russian culture. Correct?
Still hilarious tho


Correct. The Russian sentence is about cheese, a milk product, and nothing else.


Why is "the" required. As an English speaker, I slice cheese or the cheese interchangeably.

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