https://www.duolingo.com/soedori

Help us choose a Korean monument!

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Team Korean needs your help in selecting the monument for our course page! What monument would you want for the future Korean course?

  • Select your monument using this Google Survey's form :)

http://goo.gl/forms/Ee5OXbCiGD

We want to hear what you guys all think! What represents Korean (the nation or language) the best?* What would be a great monument for the Korean course?

Team Korean

P.S. We do not know when Korean is coming, but it will be a great start to get a lot of things planned :)

*Mind that Korean =/= Hangeul. I know it would have been an obvious choice for some of you guys without this :)

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/DerGoldmann
DerGoldmann
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I think the statue of King Sejong (세종대왕 동상) at Gwanghwamun square (광화문광장) would be the most appropriate because of his deep connection to the development of modern Korean and the creation of the ingenious Hangul script. King Sejong is one, if not the most important king from the Chosŏn dynasty, the progenitor of modern Korea (as opposed to the disparate earlier states (giving us some of those various Buddhist monuments listed ) which would not represent a unified Korea). To the modern individual, Sejong's rein represented not conquest or serfdom but knowledge, science, research and innovation. Imagine how great it would be to have King Sejong's statue on the Korean page, his name carved in Hangul letters beneath him and the Gwanghwamun gate peaking above the horizon in the background.

I think we should be wary of a choosing both a monument that is buddhist in nature and would look too similar looking to other East Asian buildings. While I am quite aware of the differences, the course monument is a highly stylized version of the original moment that might result in a generalized Asian feel.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DuoDaisuki
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Yeah, I think King Sejong would be a great choice! -By the way, there is an app for android called Eggbun Korean for the basics and also another two called PopPopping Korean that teach Hangeul and conversation. These, among other apps, are great for beginners!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Flying_Frenchman
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I recommend PopPopping Korean as well for people completely new to Korean. It'll really help you learn the Hangul letters and sounds in a very charming way, and will give you a great familiarity with the system before you move on to learn vocab/grammar.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xefjord

I agree that I think King Sejong is the best choice.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jdfromdublin
jdfromdublin
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You raised some very interesting points. Gives lingots

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soedori
soedori
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Writing wise? Yes. Speaking wise? No. Sejong tried to make Korean more like Chinese speech-wise through Hangeul, which he obviously failed

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DerGoldmann
DerGoldmann
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I'm not sure I gather your meaning, since the two are interconnected. His reforms/attempts at reforms clearly and inextricably influenced the development of modern Korean, what ever his intentions were is immaterial. His rein was a watershed moment in the development in modern Korean

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soedori
soedori
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I mean, he tried to make Korean more like "Chinese" through Hangeul (one of his reasons for making the script). (Ex. Chun-Tien)...this is where the 정음 comes to play. By 정음, he meant the Chinese pronunciation of Hanja. He was worried that Korean, at least with the masses, was growing too far from Chinese. He needed to "enlighten" the masses and revert the pronunciation back.

In reality...

Korean went farther and farther from Chinese in truth, most notably, the death in tones which is totally not connected to Hangeul (as there were devices to represent tones in early Hangeul).

P.S. In someway, he succeed, making Koreans use more Chinese derived words than the native Korean ones. This indeed did influence modern Korean

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DerGoldmann
DerGoldmann
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Interesting points. I am not sure that the failure of some of his purported intentions in regards to the development of the Korean language should lead us to downplay the actual and substantive legacy of his accomplishments.

I am aware of early notation in Hunminjeongeum (which I believe you are referring to) that was used specifically for representing Chinese sounds. Very interesting curiosity of history, indeed. I am also aware that it fell out of use and Hangul later became standardized to better represent the Korean spoken by the masses. I think the trend of standardization of the Korean language in both the development of the prestige/preferred dialect and in the orthography brought on by the strong centralized and unified state (Chosŏn Korea) should be recognized as well.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soedori
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Yes, indeed. And it also helped from multiple readings of one character from happening unlike Japan. It helped carve "the readings in stone," helping standardize the language.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Flying_Frenchman
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I'd LOVE to see the statue of King Sejong used for the course monument!

For those who don't know, he's the man responsible for putting the Hangul alphabet in effect in Korea. Before Hangul, Korean was written with Chinese characters, which was hard for many commoners to learn. Sejong and his researchers devised Hangul to be the easiest system for his people to learn, by creating a system that was centered around the spoken Korean language (rather than the adopted Chinese characters). The literacy rate in the country dramatically increased, and today he is a very celebrated man in Korea and the world. For example, he's on the 10,000 won banknote and commemorated in the UNESCO King Sejong Literacy Prize, an award given to governments/agencies/orgs for the promotion of literacy.

While the statue itself is fairly new, it represents a significant part of Korea's identity and is especially fitting for a language course teaching you Hangul. My first vote goes to King Sejong!! :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/headlesscookie
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Namdaemun/Sungnyemun, although not on the list, would make an excellent monument for the course page. Being built in the 14th century, it is located smack in the center of modern Seoul, and represents a blend of old and new. Also, being damaged in a fire several years back and being fully restored, the monument is now back to its former glory, and shines a new light on Seoul and South Korea as a whole.

Also, best of luck to Team Korean! Although you guys have the added challenge of making a course for a language that is not usually written in the Latin alphabet, it'll be wonderful to see Korean come out as a course, being that it will be the first language from its region. Although I honestly cannot say right now whether I would try it out, it's always amazing to see another language come out on Duolingo, free for all, thanks in part to people like you guys.

Keep up the awesome work!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/remoonline
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Having no idea of the iconic monuments in Korea, I relied on Google to check out the options. Sungnyemun as the icon for the Korean course will be fantastic, though getting the picture I have in mind may be difficult for the course page designers.

I also liked the Statue of two brothers. Quite poignant.

Cheomseongdae was originally built as an icon for knowledge sharing (of astronomy). It can be a fitting monument for the Korean course where the knowledge of the language is shared with the whole world.

Dabotap or Seokgatap, if chosen, could be easy options for the course page designers.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soedori
soedori
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Most of the course mods/contribs that I talked to were actually pretty set on Cheomseongdae before this.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soedori
soedori
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Thank you for your input :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Aliciaftw

Copying my opinion over from Reddit:

I really hope you go with the statue of King Sejong. I can't say I know a lot about Korea, but from what I understand King Sejong did a lot for his people, the Korean language, and education and literacy within the country. It feels right to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejong_the_Great#Hangul

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GoColts6
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There were so many options! :D Of course, this shows that Korea has a lot of monuments, and we have a lot to learn if we want to learn about the Korean culture too. Maybe you guys could limit down the choices a bit? BTW, looking forward for the release of the Korean course! : )

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soedori
soedori
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We wanted to keep it as open as possible

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GoColts6
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Oh, okay. Thanks for all the choices! :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fr224
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I think Gyeongbokgung or Changdeokgung would be best, but the most important thing is that they are iconic to Korea.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/gatonijua
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Ugh, these comments. Anyway I voted for Hwaseong fortress, Gyeongbokgung and Gwanghwamun. I must say I know almost nothing about Korean history so I voted after a quick google search. Hope my picks were good. Good luck with the course!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soedori
soedori
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The tragedy of being divided (sort of)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dr_Patriot

I admit it makes more sense to have a Sejong+Gwanghwamun image, but Yi Sun-Shin is just such a cool guy and his statue is so nice and so close to the two aforementioned monuments that I feel it would be unfair to exclude him from the image.

Not to mention he's quite arguably responsible for Korea not having been conquered by Japan in the 1500's.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ArielBisso
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So it is confirmed that there will be a Korean for English course eventually? :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/soedori
soedori
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Probably. They're talking/thinking about it in HQ, trying to discuss/work around/find solutions to potential problems of making this course. Duo is a team that never gives up :)

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https://www.duolingo.com/Xefjord

You have no idea how happy this makes me.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xefjord

So I did a bit of research, and it seems a lot of Chinese buildings (Like the temples and palaces, ect) often used bricks and covering those bricks in plaster for the walls. While Korean ones were almost always made out of wood. Another thing is color scheme. Apparently the Forbidden Palace uses like Gold and Orange on its rooftops, while Korea has never used those colors on their roofs. And All Korean buildings will have gradual slopes at the corners while Chinese ones have sharp or hardly none at all. (Now there could easily be exceptions. But these are just what I noticed from 5 minutes of research.)

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https://www.duolingo.com/soedori
soedori
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Also, Koreans placed emphasis in working in nature with the construction , while China... (look at Forbidden Palace)

(it's just something that I heard. Not meaning to offend anyone. Sorry if I got it wrong).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kumatangz
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Thank You for this opportunity!!!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KateM303

Voted based off of searching the options by google and which ones seemed like something I've never seen before. Lots of the asian architecture to me seems like it could be from anywhere in Asia, I kept thinking of China. Maybe it's also just because I've never been to Korea before but I've been to China so was reminded of Chinese buildings and I was just looking really quickly without doing research on all of the options individually. Anyone I know who has been to Korea loves it, and it has made me curious about the language. When the course comes out on Duo I will totally try it!

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https://www.duolingo.com/soedori
soedori
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Maybe it's also just because I've never been to Korea

Yup. Quite a few people don't know about Korea and its architecture unfortunately, but we hope we can help them :).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/WildSage
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So many beautiful choices - just checking them out made me wish I was in Korea right now.

I wish Cheomseongdae was doing better in the polls.

2 years ago
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