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Is there a typo in these spelling rules?

The following spelling rules are written in Animals 1. They don't make sense to me. Is there a typo?

"There are some restrictions on which consonants are used with which vowels when making word forms. Here are the rules for ы, а, у vs. и, я, ю:

<pre>use only И after к, г, х/ ж, ш, щ, ч use only А, У after к, г, х/ ж, ш, щ, ч and ц" </pre>
November 29, 2015

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shady_arc

These rules govern which vowel you use when you have to make a form of a word you know.

  • is it И or Ы?
  • is it А or Я?
  • is it У or Ю?

Usually, a stem ending in a non-palatalized consonant gives you a normal vowel (стол→столы, луна → луны), whereas if you have a palatalized consonant there, it gives you a iotated/palatalized vowel (портфель→портфели, земля→земли).

Still, that does not work for ALL palatalized and non-palatalized consonants.

Historically, softened velar consonants Г, К, Х (those pronounced at the back of your mouth) turned into hushes eventually. Then a new set of ги, ки, хи was produced from their "hard" versions, so in modern language гы, кы, хы are nowhere to be seen, even though a native speaker can pronounce them (they are found at word boundaries and foreign words)

Russian hushes (Ш, Ж, Ч, Щ), which, may I remind you, had formed from palatalized velars, were all palatalized. Then Ш and Ж became "hard". Huses do not have palatalized/non-palatalized variants, so, in theory, it does not matter which vowel of the pair you use after them. In practice, there is a spelling convention that you use и, а and у after them (unless it is a stem of a foreign word that is somehow traditionally spelt against these conventions)..


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alvie_x

No, I believe it is not a typo. Take a look at this site:

http://www.russianlessons.net/grammar/spelling_rules.php


[deactivated user]

    I don't think so. Sounds perfect to me.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/daal39

    Thanks for your replies. I was confused because it wasn't clear to me when to only use и and when to only use а or у. Under which circumstances do these rules apply? Any time a word ending on a palatalized consonant followed by an ы, а, у,. и, я or ю changes form?

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