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Indonesian for English speakers is in the Incubator!

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2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/UneJamKuqEZi

Finally they added the reverse course of English for Indonesian! :D

I didn't have the Duo for Indonesian, but I had him for Polish, and the Indonesian flag is just the Polish flag upside-down, so I flipped the image, since it's also the reverse course. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ellatiene
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But now Duo looks almost like a bat ;)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wyqtor
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You have no idea how appropriate upside-down Duo is for an Indonesian course! Now Duo can finally chill with his Indonesian buddies!

...And here is the famous Bat Cave Temple, or Goa Lawah (if you look at the cave ceiling closely, you can see them):

Both photos taken by me in Bali.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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Wow!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ckhadung
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If only Monaco has their own language and Duolingo adds "Monacan course", there will be a mass confusion in Incubator.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/UneJamKuqEZi

There will be even more confusion with all the Indian languages!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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You should learn it and help make a course! Just to confuse everyone. :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SteveLando
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https://www.duolingo.com/HakeemEvrenoglu
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Polandball comic fans would tell now that you are using the correct Polish owl :p

[For the guys who doesn't follow those comics.... the Polandball's colors are inverted, so it looks like Indonesiaball] 8D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence
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Wiat... are you saying that Indonesian is rvrerse Polish? So all I have to do is leaarn Polish and speak backwards and upside down and I will have also knowIndonesain?

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HakeemEvrenoglu
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LOL.

And consequently awruk is the most beautiful and polite Indonesian word. =]

PS: One more lingot for you!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Medard
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off topic, but the most beautiful Indonesian word for me is lalu lintas (a girl once said it to me, it sounded very manis :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PfifltriggPi
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I am laughing convulsively now. A lingot for you sir.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jdfromdublin
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Great news! I hope they add Filipino soon. The two are related languages.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/XD29
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Yay for Filipino!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hxkxm
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wait what.. it's completely different I think... I'm Indonesian..

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jdfromdublin
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As Theron126 pointed out, Indonesian and Filipino (Tagalog) are part of the Austronesian family. It's not surprising that the two languages share similar or the same words.

Gunting, Mata, Sakit, Kambing, Langit, Kanan, Lima, Mahal, Anak etc

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hxkxm
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well I totally had no idea, I looked it up then I found out the language even uses Latin letters as well, but did you know that there are more than a thousands languages that belong to the Austronesian familiy. well never mind hahaha

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
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I don't have any idea what any of those mean... unless, is kambing a village?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jdfromdublin
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kambing means goat

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
Theron126
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Not even close then :-) I just remembered hearing or reading a Malay (I think) word kampong and wondered if they were related.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jdfromdublin
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Wiktionary is useful for determining whether a word is similar to or the same across languages.

For example: Kanan

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
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Thanks!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
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They are linguistically related, both part of the Austronesian family. Individual languages within the family can differ quite a bit though.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/futureholder
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Language Family wise it is but Mutually Intelligibility wise...not so much.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jdfromdublin
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Tama. May kilala akong galing sa Indonesia at nahirapan kaming magkaintindihan :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Adrian-Michael
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But you still understood him/her right? Just with difficulty. How about for him/her? Did he/she understood you easily? PS: I'm getting so tired sa pagta-type ng he/she sa English. Kung mayroon lang sanang gender neutral pronoun eh.

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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EXCITING!!

Also, do we think this bodes well for Polish coming out tomorrow? NEED MOAR SLAVIC LANGUAGES!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/UneJamKuqEZi

Especially one of the Serbo-Croatian ones. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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<h1>YES</h1>

Ahem. Yes indeed.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TonyMintz
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I feel your enthusiasm on a spiritual level.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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:D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/miacomet
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That's a very good way of phrasing it. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AZlato88
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Slovenian or Serbo-Croatian would be amazing!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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I wish they had Slovak!

(Alas, not likely to happen anytime soon. Czech is a lot more likely - it has an English course already, after all.)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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Czech is actually in the incubator already. :-) But I don't have any idea of how soon it will be released.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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So it is! Thanks :) So close (to Slovak), but yet so far....

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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:-) And all the other Slavic languages we don't have. I want Latvian, Lithuanian, Belarusian.... The list goes on. :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
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Latvian and Lithuanian, along with Old Prussian, are the Baltic family, not Slavic. Related though.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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Close enough. I want them anyway. :-) Estonian is more related to Finnish, isn't it?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
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Correct. Estonian, Finnish, and I believe a handful of native languages from the middle of Siberia, are the Finno-Ugric family, and not related to Slavic at all. They aren't even Indo-European.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
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Yes, I was right about Siberia. I knew there were some Finno-Ugric languages out there but I didn't realize that Udmurt was among them. Komi I did know but briefly forgot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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And I've never even heard of Udmurt and Komi before. :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
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Incidentally, Hungarian is also Finno-Ugric - and for some reason I was thinking it was Germanic. But if I'd stopped to think about it, I knew they were related to the Finns...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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I always thought Hungarian was Germanic. Every time I get in a conversation with you I learn something new. :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
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How they're connected, you probably knew that many of the Germanic tribes like Vandals and Goths of all shapes and sizes originally came from Asia. The Finns and Magyars, I believe, came west together but then split up and the Magyars went to Hungary.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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"Vandals and Goths of all shapes and sizes" :-D I'd never thought about it before, but is that why Hungarian is called Magyar?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
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Yes, that's right.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
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It was Goths of all shapes and sizes. There were Goths and Visigoths and Ostrogoths and Behemoths and Claustrophobigoths... As far as I know there were never Ostrovandals, which is sad.

Perhaps the reason we were thinking of Hungarian as Germanic is because although it's Magyar for some reason Hungary is named after the Huns, who most definitely were Germanic.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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Behemoths and Claustrophobigoths! That deserves a lingot. :-D That's probably why. And possibly also because of Austria-Hungary.

Actually, lets make that a few more lingots. I have spares. :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pedro771
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Finnish and Hungarian languages separated approximately 4500 years (!) ago. Hungarians cannot really understand anything from modern Finnish (or Estonian). There are hardly any similar words between the two languages. Hungarian language borrowed far more words from other languages (Turkish, Latin, German, Slavonic). Still these languages are the closest significant language family members of each other. More info about Finno-Ugaric languages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
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Thanks for that Pedro! I didn't realize it was that long ago they separated, though I knew they'd gotten pretty far apart.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard
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My Latvian speaking friends would be horrified that you thought they were Slavic ;) But others have already commented on that here (and to be fair, the Baltic language family is I think the closest other group to the Slavic languages).

Regards Hungarian vs Finnish, they are indeed very different. I remember a Hungarian and a Finn trying to work out if they could work out a sentence that was almost the same in their respective languages... And eventually they did come up with one, although it took them a long time.

The biggest advantage with knowing one of them, is that at least the logic behind the grammar is similar in both, though the actual words have completely drifted apart.

Estonian on the other hand, is fairly close to Finnish. Often, Estonian words look to outsiders like Finnish but with the final vowel removed. And a lot of Estonians can understand Finnish - although from what I understand this does take some effort in learning it, watching Finnish TV etc. So they aren't really mutually intelligible without their speakers taking the time to do some study.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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How is the middle of Siberia connected to Finnish and Estonian?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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Thank you all! Interesting stuff. It's also interesting how we ended up talking about Finno-Ugric languages on the post about Indonesian for English speakers... :-D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Theron126
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I regularly take things way off topic. This time though I can truthfully say that I didn't start it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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Valid excuse. :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Medard
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Polish out, Indonesian in. Coincidence?

Duo

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun
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Is this just a coincidence? Tak!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fr224
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https://www.duolingo.com/Eikoopmit

I couldn't read the comic.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fr224
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Do you mean it wouldn't open?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eikoopmit

No, the grammar was awful and parts of the side were cut off.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/fr224
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The broken English is part of the joke in these comics. The side being cut off is part of the comic, you can still tell what Poland is saying.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eikoopmit

Not really. If the English weren't so badly damaged I might be able to guess at what Poland is saying, but as it is I can't understand a word of it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard
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Really? What's your native language?

Polandball English grammar is meant to be comically bad, and not can into space for example, but I've never found it hard to understand as an English native.

Maybe if you're an English L2 speaker?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eikoopmit

No, I'm a native English speaker.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike
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So why doesn't Swahili use an inverted Spanish flag?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard
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Polish out? I'm assuming Polish just isn't finished yet... Unless I've missed a joke somewhere.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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Almost out. Not quite done yet.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luke_5.1991
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I hear the grammar is very simple! I can't wait to try it out.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Medard
Medard
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It's not that complicated for beginners and intermediate level students... but suffixes and prefixes are quite difficult to master at an advanced level.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hxkxm
Hxkxm
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hahaha exactly, the spelling change a lot of times when we add suffixes and prefixes, but it's not a big problem, even I as a native speaker still get stumbled by it a lot of times,

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Fuzilwidjet
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(´;ω;`)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis
DrSwordopolis
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Did Toronto just score a goal? No wonder they're celebrating so much. Poor deprived bastards.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CosmoKaiza
CosmoKaiza
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My dream language ! Yessssss I am so excited

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hxkxm
Hxkxm
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awww

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/no.name.42
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Truly this is a fantastic day.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/miacomet
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Oh frabjous day, calloo callay!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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With your user pic, every day is a fantastic day. ;-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/no.name.42
no.name.42
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Some days are extra fantastic, and this day has more than enough reasons to qualify.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/otsogutxi
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I knew it!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xefjord

I am super psyched! Indonesian is on my list of languages I want to learn really well :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hxkxm
Hxkxm
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hahaha why

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SiblingCreature

Nice. I am looking forward to this one. I learned Indonesian for two years in high school. Unfortunately when I changed schools I couldn't continue it, and I have forgotten most of it in the meantime, but I do remember that I liked learning it at the time, so I'm looking forward to picking it up again.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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You learned Indonesian in school? I've never seen that as an option anywhere. Lucky you. :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SiblingCreature

Well Indonesia is one of Australia's closest neighbours, so it makes sense to teach it here. To my shame I can't remember the name of my first Indonesian teacher. She was one of my favourite teachers, but we only ever called her Nona in class, (The Indonesian equivalent of calling her "Miss" ) so the name didn't stick in my memory.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
A_User
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I was forgetting that you're in Australia. :-) I'm still jealous, though. :-)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Joison
Joison
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They didn't teach it very well at my school though, I was taught indonesian for 3 years and all we were taught to do was regurgitate a few phrases.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard
avrichard
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Sounds like the experience a lot of people have with basically every language taught in Australian schools... Unfortunately!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mindseer

I think it's more common in Australian schools, since they're a close neighbour.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard
avrichard
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Yep... I can also vouch for this as an Australian - it is pretty common for schools here to offer Indonesian, although this has declined in recent years.

In the 1980s and 1990s Indonesian and Japanese were a huge growth area in languages offered by Australian schools, although both have recently dropped in numbers of learners as Chinese has become more popular.

The school where I teach discontinued Indonesian about 10 years ago, and is in the process of discontinuing Japanese. Our focus languages are now German and Chinese (for various reasons to do with the makeup of our school community) plus French as a third option.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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Japanese kind of surprised me, but I suppose it actually is logical. I'm really jealous now! :-D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/orde90
orde90
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I had tried the reverse course and it was really fun! I can't wait for the release!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun
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HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis
DrSwordopolis
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Yay! Finally!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence
chilvence
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I am so stoked!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DavidStyIes
DavidStyIesPlus
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Great to see!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Eikoopmit

Time to plan that vacation to Bali. Or maybe I could protest against the crop-burning. I haven't decided yet.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hmada993
hmada993
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The more the merrier.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dan.R.Mack

It's 99%, will beta be available to public?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MasyhurHil
MasyhurHil
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Hopefully soon! We want to get through an internal round of alpha testing first, but the test bed is acting up. Once Duolingo's staff fixes the test bed we'll be able to start the alpha testing in earnest. We'll be posting more updates on our course page.

4 months ago