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- "Do you want a bowl of soup?"
"Do you want a bowl of soup?"
Translation:Хочешь тарелку супа?
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would this be the correct answer be"Хочешь миску супа" instead of using тарелку? I thought тарелку meant plate...
The Russian take the soup with a plate, so it's a translation of an expression not by word.
This is a typical example of what Russians would use for soup, and they would invariably describe it as тарелка, not миска. In fact, миска would not be used for any traditional porcelain dinnerware commonly used in Russia. Perhaps a typical bowl for ramen would be called "миска", but that is relatively new.
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For me as a Spaniard, that's a plate (plato) too. Here in Spain, a bowl (bol) is something where you eat your cereal in the morning, for example.
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This makes sense, but if you have little to no knowledge of Russian culture you could easily get this wrong, as it asks to translate "Do you want a bowl of soup?"
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The hover hints on this exercise are also showing "миску супа" instead of "тарелку супа" as the top option. It should either have тарелку супа as the first hint or accept both миску супа and тарелку супа.
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Possibly in German, too? My grandparents were borh in Germany and they and my dad always said "a plate of soup." It happened a lot because Germans like to have soup every day
I am German. Thanks to you I understand now why they did not use миска! :)
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Миска и тарелка для нас выглядят по разному)) Мисками чаще всего называем тарелки для домашних животных.
I think тарелка is more commonly used in this context than миска. It can mean both plate and bowl.
Not necessarily. It is just that in Russian миска is not normally used for anything made of porcelain.
тарелка can be either deep or shallow. Naturally, a deep plate would be used for soup.
A deep plate also has a sort of flat ridge, whereas a bowl is literally just a bowl
I am polish and traditionally we would also serve a "plate" of soup. That plate is not as flat as regular plates, it is a bit deeper to accommodate the soup yet is is still called a "plate". A bowl миска may be used for soup or cereal in non official setting like having breakfast before school or having packet noodles (convenience, i guess, the plates of soup are easier to spill).
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A bowl is a bowl. Period. If you don’t have any soup plates at home and you serve soup in a bowl you call it “a bowl”.
We don’t know the context here. The English sentence says “bowl”, even in Moscow if you go to a Japanese restaurant soup would be served in a bowl and you would say “миска”. Without a context this should be accepted.
I asked my Russian friends and they agree, if you have a bowl in front of you you call it a bowl.
But don't inanimate objects stay as is (nominative case) in accusative?
Not all of them do. The rule applies for masculine and neuter nouns. Миска is a feminine noun.
I was wondering this too but I confused an early question with bowl in the gen. when it was in the nom:
"миска (nom.) риса (gen. as it is 'some' rice)"
My question is, why isn't soup in the accusative too? Does the gen. take priority or are "a bowl" and "of soup" somehow separate.
So soup is in the genitive because of the partitive used here even though with soup being inanimate it would have been left in the nominative otherwise, correct?
Spot on. If soup were the direct object (instead of the bowl) it would be in accusative, which since it is an inanimate masculine noun is the same as nominative. But since soup is partitive it is in genitive (like in English where we say a bowl OF soup).
i believe because хочешь is in 2nd person singular tense it becomes redundant... someone correct me if I'm wrong
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Actually, both "тарелка" and "миска" have simillar meaning. But "миска" is just slightly more deep than "тарелка".
I've been slapped on the fingers for using 'тарелка' instead of 'миска'… so this time I used 'миска', just to be slapped again...
In the multiple choice version, "Ты" isn't even an option. Is there a reason for that? Because "you" is in the question.
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Would "ты хочешь тарелку супу" be correct? It notes it as correct and gives an alternative correct response. Just want to clarify
Yes, "супу" is correct but to me it sounds a bit dated. A number of Russian words have two genitive forms: чай → чая/чаю, суп → супа/супу etc. with the second, nonstandard form being more colloquial and archaic.
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I wonder, is this second genitive the same as the partitive (in the sense of partitive being a separate morphological case)?
Sorry, that is above my pay grade ;-)
I have never encountered the term "partitive case" until now.
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These support чаю being partitive, I haven't found anything similar for супу.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_grammar#Additional_cases
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%8E#Russian
Actually, супа is in genitive because it is a bowl OF soup. That is, bowl is the direct object, so it's in accusative. "Of soup" describes the bowl, so in Russian we express this as "soup" in genitive.
All Russian descriptors of quantity of something (and that includes numbers except those ending in "один") take genitive. A bowl of soup is a quantity of soup, hence тарелка супа (genitive).
" моя сестра есть суп" and "хочешь тарелку супа" what makes that суп is not writen the same?
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- Genitive affirmative sentence structure will keep soup in the Nominative form.
- The plate is the possessor of the soup so it is Nominative, but the soup belongs to the plate so it becomes Accusitive formation
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isn't суп an inanimate masculine noun? So, why does it change to "супA? Masculine nouns aren't suppose to change.... and the same occurs with the word чаи....
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How come this is good?: Хочешь тарелку супа Shouldn't it be суп? After all, it is an inanimate masculine noun and they don't change in the accusative case......
It's "a bowl/plate OF soup" so супа is in the genitive case here, not in the accusative.
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Why супA with A in the end? AS far as I know суп is a inanimate masculine noun and it shouldn't change.... Does anybody knows this?
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This is the genitive form. The English sentence has 'of soup' and 'of' is the way of marking genitive in English, so the Russian is genitive as well.
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Ohh.... yes. Thank you so much. It is the genitive. That is why. I was confused because it was in the Accusative lesson. All the best
If you say тарелкy супа that is also correct. I'm not sure why it is being marked wrong.
I thought, Хочешь глубокую тарелку супа, would be more accurate.
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It's partitive because the English sentence has 'of' in front of it and the sentence is talking about a quantity ("part") of soup.
Тарелка meant plate until the last exercise, few minutes ago, and it is suddenly reincarnated now in a bowl... How weird is that?
You tought me that тарелка is a plate and a bowl is a миску. Now why all of a suden you change and tell me am wrong? By the way thanks for all you're teaching me so far.,
How to know when I have to put an extra letter if the word ends with a consonant. Example, sometimes I see that сок ends with no vowel, but now суп has it. Please, some help here.
It's correct in russian and means almost the same, but not correct translation of this task.
is супа genitive case in this sentece, right? тарелку - because the word is feminine so in this case ( accusative ), it takes the "y" супа - it is genitive ( i think), because the soup belongs to the plate/bowl. Right?? thanks
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Yes, you've diagnosed all the cases correctly. супа is genitive because soup has the word "of" in front of it. That's one of the ways of doing genitive in English.
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Most of the time you need the following criteria: 1. the base word in Russian doesn't already end with an а, я or ь. (This means it's a masculine or neuter word). 2. the word in English you're translating has "of" in front of it, or a 's suffix (i.e. the word is possessive/genitive).
You can see how both of those criteria apply for this sentence. There are extra uses beyond this, but this is a good rule of thumb.
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I have asked my Russian friends. They call it a plate (soup plate) because soup is usually served on a plate, but when it is served in a bowl they say “миска”. So, Duo if you put the word “bowl” here it is a bowl. Period.
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But as you said, soup is usually served on a plate, so the best translation is тарелку.
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I don’t agree. I don’t know the context here. The English sentence says “bowl”, even in Moscow if you go to a Japanese restaurant soup would be served in a bowl and you would say “миска”. Without a context this should be accepted.
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I'm not saying that миску shouldn't be accepted, I'm saying that тарелку should be the default translation, as it is.
Why can you just skip "ты" or "вы" here? Is it the equivalent to casually asking "want some...?" in english?
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No. It is completely wrong.
It is like “in your possession do you want a plate of soup?”
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"Вы хочете тарелку супа?" is not accepted. Also, in some other sentences Duolingo requires the subject pronoun to be expressed, and people have said in the discussion that omitting it is informal.
