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https://www.duolingo.com/Chris123456

Don't downvote my translation unless you tell me WHY?

Down-voting translation incurs a penalty of -5 and it can be arbitrarily administered by those in "superior levels", much like the fagging system of flogging schoolchildren by their older (supposed) superiors. The latter to be much disrespected in my opinion.

But please EXPLAIN and all will be well. Explain why you down-vote people, tell us your thoughts. Don't just beat us up because we got it wrong....

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence
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I wrote hours of posts explaining why it would be a good idea to force people to explain why they downvote or change translations. Most people argued that it would be too much effort. I argued that that was the whole point, to get rid of the lazy contributors and keep the conscientious ones, quality over quantity and what not. I made a habit of replying to single sentence protests to this with triple paragraphed carefully constructed reasoning. Then people stopped talking to me...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Chris123456

Yeh..brick walls and banging heads come to mind. Thanks for your input. I'll always be here to talk if you need :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LindaHill

I would like to communicate with you. I am new to the website, and have already been voted down. At least, I think I was! I don't even know how to vote down. All I know is that I wrote a very detailed explanation that took me two hours, and now it is hidden. I am a retired proofreader and editor, and I know English grammar backwards and forwards. Am I wasting my time doing this?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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My advice to you is not to take it personally, think of the users in immersion as little children learning about the world a bit at a time. If you only know very little and have been taught a certain way, chances are that if you are not knowledgeable you will think the particular case you've been taught applies to everything.

Also, some people don't even care to read the comments, by default they are hidden, unless you click to show all previous revisions. In my opinion this won't likely change because it is meant to prevent bias. You should also know that the immersion section consists of people with varying proficiency and background, and I would guess that a significant portion of the users are not really proficient with any of the two languages being translated.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Chris123456

No, definitely not, you are not wasting your time here, and I sense you have a very positive input to the whole thing. Feel free to communicate any time. To do this directly you would need to go to my home page by clicking on my icon, then look for the "stream" button and then you can message me. I hope you enjoy being part of this...:)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hehahn
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I was very excited to be three points from the next translator tier. Overnight, someone gave me nine downvotes without a single change in any of the translations I did. Forty-five points gone with no way to see who did it or why and no corrections to show that I did something wrong.

The day before, I changed a translation and posted to the original translator with an explanation of why I did it and they wrote back with a very thoughtful and gracious response. The anonymous/no-comment downvote is contrary to both community building and cooperative learning in my opinion.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Chris123456

Oh my goodness! That must have been so soul-destroying! I'm pleased that you had the spirit to go on after that. I'm sure this sort of thing does not sit well with the Duolingo ethos and if we all talk about it often enough something better will come of it. Thanks for your helpful comment.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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I do agree that posting it anonymously creates problems, however, there are difficulties in putting up comments for downvoting. Currently, comments show only if you change something, and also my guess is that the Duolingo staff wants to avoid revenge downvoting, by not showing people who downvoted.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alipaulam
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But, at least in the version I'm on, you can't do revenge downvoting anyway, because you can only downvote someone in a lower tier than you (or at least, that's the only time a downvote affects points). So if a higher tier person downvoted me, I couldn't get them back even if I knew who they were. It really is, as Chris says, like the flogging of schoolchildren by prefects.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ziggKogg
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Agreed. Let's all be civil and provide explanations. Better option would be if the translations were anonymous; not able to see who posted the translation.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Immersion Community Guidelines have information on the correct and incorrect usage of the "Looks Wrong"/down vote button here http://www.duolingo.com/comment/984423

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Have they added a comment section for a test group? They haven't added it to mine yet. If I were to vote someone down, I would not be able to give them any feedback. (Hence why I posted the guidelines link, for those, like me, who don't have that option, it is good to know the guidelines to curb abuse and misunderstanding via down voting.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Chris123456

There is a new "Discuss" button at the top of the document to be translated which could be used to give feedback. The only other way would be to go to the person's home page, click on their stream and write them a message. Thanks for your input here and again for the very useful guidelines. This situation can only get better!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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That will not help, unless you go rummaging through all the articles you've ever edited to find the discussion. The immersion discussion is not automatically sent to all people that edited the article(at least last time I checked). Posting on someone's stream is probably a good idea, although it seems like a hassle, clicking looks wrong and moving on is faster I guess.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rogduo
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So I´ve been on here a fair amount (though I´m only a level 3, whatever that may mean, translator) and I can see no ability to comment when I make a change. Nor when I re-edit an edit to one of my translations, that a clearly non-native speaker made considerably worse, and I had to go back and fix. Similarly, I´d like to receive an explanation of why I would be downvoted (though so far, at only one time ever, it´s not like I´ve been greatly wronged or anything -- just not greatly informed) How do we get to add comments? Or is it only certain people or subgroups that can, for whatever reason.

4 years ago