"Those people"

Translation: Tamci ludzie

[NataliaSuska]

What about "Tamte ludzie" ?

[vytah]

Ludzie is a masculine personal noun, you use masculine personal forms, which usually end in -i, sometimes -y.

[NataliaSuska]

So would I only use "tamte" for feminine nouns?

[vytah]

For masculine non-personal, all feminine and all neuter.

[uq.]

wow that's surprisingly simple

[sammee514]

Thanks for the clarification, this is really helpful!

[EmiliaMiciak]

I would add "Ci ludzie" as well. (I'm polish and taking the exam for fun lmao) "Ci" is just a shorter form of "Tamci".

[kirobug]

Wait, isn't "ci" these and "tamci" those?

[EmiliaMiciak]

You may be right. I never really thought about this. But many people use "ci" and "tamci" interchangeably. Maybe it's a mistake on our side.

[viviana651879]

Thanks for this. I was wondering about it

[Jellei]

"ci" technically means "these", but Polish thinks differently about those demonstrative pronouns. Roughly, [these/those/those] = [ci/ci/tamci], so the meanings overlap.

[Mrocznooki]

It's wrong. I cannot give you exact rule, but "tamte" is used for non personal "tamte drzewa" or feminine "tamte dziewczyny". https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Polish_pronouns#Demonstrative_pronouns:_ten.2C_tamten

[George215793]

"Those" takes the polish from;
"Tamci" plural masculine and
"Tamte" Plural Feminine and Neuter.
My simplified take on it.

[Jellei]

Generally yes, but a bit too simplified because most masculine nouns are also "tamte". Only those that describe masculine people use "tamci".

[wiktorka234]

Ten zwrot przypomina mnie o piosence Anny Jantar: gdzie są dzisiaj tamci ludzie :) Jak widzę ten zwrot, myślę o tamtej piosence. :)

[Arnoldpitt]

czlowniki ?

[alik1989]

It's weird, I know, but the only correct plural form of człowiek is ludzie.

[Jellei]

And if it was regular, it would be "człowieki". But that's only found in the Polish version of DreamWorks' "Madagascar" franchise.

[Yulya164743]

I am confused when we use Ci and Te in the plural. As far as I understood they both mean these

[Jellei]

Yes. But "ci" is for the 'masculine personal plural' (or 'virile'), while "te" is for 'not masculine-personal plural' (or 'non-virile').

The first one is used for plurals of nouns that denote men, the second for any other plural.

So "ci ludzie" (these people), "ci mężczyźni" (these men), "ci policjanci" (those policemen), but "te kobiety" (these women), "te policjantki" (these policewomen), "te koty" (these cats), "te domy" (these houses), etc.

[Will396252]

Why is it implied that there is a man in the group?

[Jellei]

"ludzie" is a plural of "człowiek", which is a masculine noun.

Moreover, if I was sure that some group consists only of women, I'd acknowledge it and say "kobiety" instead.

[Will396252]

Thanks, very helpful!

[George215793]

What's the difference between;
Those people: "tamci ludzie"
Those children: ??

[Jellei]

I think the difference lies in the singular form...

"ludzie" is a plural of "człowiek", and "człowiek" is a masculine noun. So its plural is "masculine personal", hence "tamci ludzie".

"dzieci" is a plural of "dziecko", and "dziecko" is a neuter noun - not masculine. So its plural is "not masculine-personal", hence "tamte dzieci".

Moreover, and this is just my personal feel, if I saw a group of women I'd call them 'women' and say "tamte kobiety", not "tamci ludzie". If I saw a group of little girls, I'd be okay with calling them 'children', and say "tamte dzieci". Although "dziewczynki" would fit it better.