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"Where do these women go?"
Translation:Gdzie chodzą te kobiety?
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Ok, and how we supposed to know without any content if they go generally, and not right now? To remove ambiguity you need to specify it in the question; if not all possible translation should be accepted.
I hope that I've understood your question.
Chodzić can be 1) habitual, with a specified direction 2) progressive without a specified direction.
Iść can only be progressive (happening right now).
"The women go" is simple present and therefore correspond to "kobiety chodzą", not "kobiety idą".
The following verbs show the same distinction: biegać/biec, jeździć/jechać, pływać/płynąć, nosić/nieść, wozić/wieźć, latać/lecieć.
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Just to clarify:
English present progressive aspect of the verb has three applications, so "progressive"
is not necessarily an equivalent of "happening right now".
Dokąd is actually more correct than gdzie, but the course unfortunately doesn't teach this word.
Idą VS chodzą has been explained already.
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Where do these women go? - Dokąd chodzą te kobiety?
Where these women are? - Gdzie są te kobiety?
i have a question! Russian uses two words for 'where', but Polish only one? in Russian you have где which is 'where' as in Location, and куда as in 'where to', implying motion. Polish uses Gdzie for both instances??
Unfortunately this course doesn't teach "dokąd", but in fact that is the equivalent of куда and should be used for "where to".
"gdzie" in this meaning is colloquial and frankly very common, but it's not exactly the correct way.
In a case where someone is determining where to place the women (into what category / group, etc.), in English we'd say "Where do they go?", as in "where do they belong" and wouldn't that be the equivalent to idą rather than chodzą? Since it's talking about where they go in this moment?
I have 2 questions: 1. Is "Dokąd te kobiety dojdą? " a good translation? 2. Is it more natural to put the subject before or after the verb? Does it matter?
dojść pf (imperfective dochodzić)
1) to arrive on foot, to reach [+ do (genitive) = somewhere] Nad ranem w końcu doszliśmy do schroniska. At daybreak, we finally arrived at the mountain hut.
2) to achieve [+ do (genitive) = something] Mój ojciec nigdy do niczego w życiu nie doszedł. My father never achieved anything in his life.
3) (informal) to find out, to arrive at Doszedłeś już, jak to działa? Have you found out how this works yet?
4) to come, to have an orgasm
So "Dokąd te kobiety dojdą?" is... "Where will these woman arrive?", I guess. I'd actually translate it as... "end up", maybe? And it's Future Simple.
It's generally more natural to put the subject before the verb, otherwise you emphasize the subject.
Thanks! I did realize that it was dokonany... but later on. Didn't know about definition 4, but it makes sense. :) The word order has always been a question for me. Thanks again.
which is more appropriate: "gdzie te kobiety chodza?" or "Gdzie chodza te kobiety?"?
No. "ci" is for masculine personal, so "ci mężczyźni", but "te kobiety".
"idzią" is not a word, "idą" is what you meant. But as 'iść' implies Continous tense, that can't work in this sentence anyway. "walk" and "go" can be translated as "chodzą" - "idą" will be for "are walking/going".
And finally, while this course unfortunately teaches only "gdzie", the really correct version should be "dokąd". "Gdzie" means "where" and "dokąd" means "where to", it implies direction. But the course went with the colloquial usage of "gdzie" as both "where" and "where to", and now it cannot be changed, "gdzie" must be the default version.
