https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConnorMaichle

Is there a realistic chance of Finnish on Duolingo?

Listen, I know this subject has been beaten to death.

But is there actually a realistic chance of Finnish on Duolingo? We've got Hungarian, Swahili, Welsh, Irish, and even Klingon, so does Finnish have a chance?

Sorry to be beating this subject to death again, I just would like to know.

Thanks :)

December 13, 2015

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/UneJamKuqEZi

I think there is a very high chance of Finnish going into the Incubator. Some reasons why I think this:

  • Many people have applied for Finnish. I don't know exactly how many Finnish-English bilinguals there are that use Duolingo, but I'm pretty sure there's alot. And I doubt they haven't heard that people want Finnish, so why wouldn't they apply?
  • A lot, and I mean A LOT of people have requested Finnish. I feel like the most requested language on Duolingo is Finnish.
  • Some courses have been being going into the Incubator right before another course entered beta. Swahili with Russian, and Indonesian with Polish. So, if Hungarian is the next one to be released into beta, then I highly think that Finnish will come out before that. And since they're both Uralic languages, I think Finnish would "pair up" with Hungarian.
December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/avrichard

Oh man, I would love Finnish on here though.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ezkertia

I wouldn't be surprised if Finnish was the most requested language of the last 6 months. I imagine it will happen sooner or later.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

One reason Finnish has been requested so much is that many other languages that used to be popular in the unofficial polls, for example those by done by krispykracker last year, have already been added to the Incubator in the meantime:

The top 7 languages (followed by the lumped together category "other") in this one from July 2014 were

  • Norwegian
  • Esperanto
  • Hebrew
  • Icelandic
  • Latin
  • Welsh
  • Finnish
December 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/gingerninja3148

I think there is a high chance for it to be in the incubator soon. First off there has been a huge demand for it. Also, it uses the Latin script so it shouldn't be too hard to teach in the Duolingo format. Personally, I would love to see it appear soon like many others.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mizinamo

Yes, I think there is a chance of Finnish happening on Duolingo sometime.

But as for when (2016, 2018, 2020) is harder to predict.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConnorMaichle

Yeah I probably should've specified that I meant "Is there a realistic chance of Finnish on duolingo anytime soon?"

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mizinamo

A much more difficult question :)

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soedori

Not really, in about a year, there might

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Xefjord

Do you think Korean will be here within a year? (Not by the end of this year, but at least started nearing the end of next year?)

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soedori

IDK

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

Are you writing this in your capacity as a moderator?

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soedori

No, but think about all the courses waiting for beta graduation and the ones currently in development. Many courses take at least 4 months to develop. Some take a year. Not to mention all of the new features they are developing! Counting all factors in, I would not expect to see Finnish for another 6 months... Duolingo has a lot on their plate!!!

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

They keep increasing the pace at which new courses are added to the Incubator, though. There have been eight new courses just in the past two months.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soedori

Completed or into the incubator? Incubator additions purely depend on course graduation rates IMO (is there space?)

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

Eight new additions. The number of courses in phase 1 has also been creeping up over time, though, so it seems "enough space" is not an absolute thing.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/avrichard

Hey - I don't remember where, but someone was asking about how close Hungarian is to Finnish. Short answer - not very, though they are distantly related.

But as a bonus - here are some examples of sentences that ARE recognisably similar in the two languages:

FI - Jään alla talvella elävät kalat uiskentelevat. HU - Jég alatt télen eleven halak úszkálnak.

FI - Kivistä verinen oli vävyn käsi. HU - Kövektől véres volt veje keze.

FI - Orvon silmä kyyneliä täynnä. HU - Árva szeme könnyel tele.

FI - Kuka meni meidän edessämme? HU - Ki ment mielőttünk?

FI - Miniäni antoi voita. HU - Menyem adott vajat

But most of the time, a speaker of one can't decipher much of the other...

December 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

Pretty hilarious sentences you've got there! As crazy as some Duolingo sentences, but somehow even quainter... :-)

I remember once using the argument that Hungarian and Finnish separated before Russian and English did, which should give many people an idea of how long these cousins have been living apart. But now I can't find what I based it on back then, so my argument may be a thousand years or so off... But it does give you a general idea of the time scale.

(Although how quickly a language develops, and in which direction, does of course change from one time period and one language to another. Some of the recognizably similar words in your examples (blood, hand, and also water) are those often quoted as showing the common Ugric roots of Hungarian and Finnish, but I bet you there are many more common words which have been taken up by both languages from other languages in modern times... Even though Finnish is (in)famous for always trying to make up its own words for new, foreign concepts.)

December 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ilmarien

I don't see why not. It seems to have as much of a shot as anything else does - I think it's just become a running gag now, though.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Larkspire

Running gag? What do you mean?

Anyway, here's 17 lingots for mentioning Finnish! :)

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/flootzavut

For example, on a post about what languages people wanted, someone said they wouldn't start a list because they'd never Finnish ;)

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ilmarien

That people sometimes joke about how Finnish is never going to show up, since it's been asked about so often. At least I've seen people joke about it! It's no less likely than anything else, but it gets poked at a bit.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Larkspire

Ah. I thought you meant the "Finnish is mentioned and it's a lingots party every time"... My joke doesn't seem to have worked out :P

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lumisade

Here's 20 lingots for giving 17 lingots for mentioning Finnish! What running gag? I don't know.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/avrichard

Just leaving this here for anyone else interested:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/DuolingoFinnish/

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/widle

(Someone is probably capable of making a better one, but for the time being...)

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

Aaaaaah... What a beautiful sight!

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Moomingirl

I so want that owl.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConnorMaichle

Knowing the Finnish language, it will be a long and hard battle, lol

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Moomingirl

I know! I've already been trying to learn on my own at home for a couple of years and not got very far. That's why I want it so badly here, where I have friends for moral support. :)

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConnorMaichle

Same here! The second I saw the cases chart here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_grammar#Cases (sorry, don't know how to do the link thing), I wanted to cry, lol.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/UneJamKuqEZi

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

I guess you already know that the Estonian one is pretty similar, except that you often use a different case than in Finnish, although the words are very similar. Nightmare.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SpiralStat

The best age to learn Finnish is at one year, because you'll have nothing better to do than to learn each case and form of one word. JK, I think it would be a fun challenge.

July 2, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConnorMaichle

Amazing!!!!

December 13, 2015

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    long live the revolution!

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/enidkeaner

    I don't see why not. I think it's just a question of if there are Finnish speakers willing to volunteer

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

    Apparently the issue was, a long time ago and as reportedly replied in a (possibly just offhand) comment by Duolingo staff, that there wasn't enough interest shown in Finnish. Cue the great interest shown...

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/scarcerer

    I've been wondering if they even meant interest in the forums. The interest shown here clearly has only brought more interest but nothing concrete. If they meant among staff or media, it would explain why nothing has happened.

    I don't know what Duo has advertised but their recent additions/promises include endangered languages (Welsh, Cherokee, Mayan), major world languages (Hindi, Indonesian) and the first African language (Swahili) which probably attract more publicity than Finnish.

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

    Not to mention that mother of all publicity stunts one... Which seems not to have worked out quite as planned, schedule-wise.

    I'm sure Duolingo looks primarily elsewhere than here for the attention they seek. People on the forums are already here, whereas they direct almost all their communication elsewhere, for example by doing AMAs on Reddit. But that's no reason not to talk up Finnish here.

    One drawback for Finnish compared to other relatively smaller languages that have already been picked, such as the Scandinavian ones, is that there doesn't seem to be anyone working for Duolingo who knows Finnish. So it's harder for them to for example pick moderators than it was for those languages. (I don't think there is anyone there speaking Norwegian either, but if you know Danish, that's close enough for this purpose...)

    There was a visible campaign on Facebook a while back. But it might be a good idea to involve Finnish authorities (as I read that Welsh did) in pushing for a course. Campaigning and finding the right connections is not my strong suit -- I'm just offering my translation capacity and skills to the team when it does exist.

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConnorMaichle

    Yeah that's a good point. I'm just thinking along the lines of: if they can add WELSH, then they must be able to add Finnish.

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

    The Welsh team do seem to be extraordinarily good both at campaigning and at actually building the course.

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amaratea

    I was always wondering, how this (i.e. "interest") can be estimated? There is no official poll by DL that they could use to ground their decision. Only by the amount of requests in Discussion section? Comments section? Emails? It's a mystery.

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

    Do tell us Finnthusiasts if you ever find out... :-)

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConnorMaichle

    Well, I mean, every time there is a topic like "What language do you want most on duolingo?" Finnish is all over the replies.

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Moomingirl

    ".....everyone could change their profile pictures to a Finnish for Duolingo symbol"

    Ooh, I like that idea. It would make it difficult knowing who you were talking to on the forums, but I can see it now, a sea of Finnish flags. :D

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConnorMaichle

    I'm using the Finnish duo owl that @widle made :)

    Edit: I forgot to mention, @widle gave me permission, I'm not stealing it or anything :)

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/widle

    I think I'll do a miniature in the corner.

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amaratea

    I know that :P but the fact is that Duo has not introduced Finnish yet and made no announcements about Finnish despite very clear and loud demand from the audience. Hence the question - WHAT is needed to show interest.

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ConnorMaichle

    We could have a rally parade in front of Duolingo headquarters, demanding Finnish.... lol.

    Or everyone could change their profile pictures to a Finnish for Duolingo symbol, that us pro-Finnish activists can come up with.

    But in all seriousness, we should probably figure something out. I think they know that we want Finnish. But we gotta make it clear. FINNISH4DUOLINGO!

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soedori

    there wasn't enough interest shown in Finnish. Cue the great interest shown...

    Aka. not enough applications. I once asked if a langauge course from Korean could be created, but they replied the only real viable one was from Spanish, which had form (I think) like 12 to 22 applications. If Duo says there isn't enough interest, Finnish could have less than that number (of applications)

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

    They seem happy enough to build a course which doesn't have that number of native speakers in existence, never mind qualified volunteers to build a course.

    In the end, they only need handful of good volunteers, plus of course a few extra ones in case.

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soedori

    Klingon was a financial move, to be honest...

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

    Every course has different reasons for and against it. I'm just saying I'm not buying the need for 12 to 22 applications argument.

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soedori

    They seem happy enough to build a course which doesn't have that number of native speakers in existence, never mind qualified volunteers to build a course.

    Name?

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

    Klingon. Duh

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soedori

    I guess we can all believe in what we want to believe in... ;)

    But seriously, I recommend that you get at least 20 to 30 people to apply. More would be better. Would love to see another Uralic language here.

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

    I think I've read of at least 15 people who have, and I'm sure there are many others I simply haven't come across.

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/scarcerer

    Well, there's at least 13+3 possible contributors and I'm sure spending more than a couple minutes looking for them would bring up even more:

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/soedori

    Hopefully there is more, and more to come :) I would love another Uralic language on the Incubator :)

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/avrichard

    I know quite a few who have emailed to volunteer, but haven't received any response. They even have a facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/DuolingoFinnish/

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

    And there are others who aren't interested in joining a Facebook group but are still very much willing (and consider themselves able) to volunteer. :-) (Alright, at least one.)

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/widle

    I'd even join a group but I'm not going to register on Facebook just because of that. :)

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/avrichard

    I joined the Facebook group, even though I couldn't help in any way... As I can't actually speak Finnish.

    December 14, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mumriken

    I know I'm a native Finnish speaker but I'm not confident enough in my Finnish to volunteer to build the course :---)

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/duonks
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    tlfmf:-)

    December 13, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/widle

    Alf Malf. :)

    December 13, 2015
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