https://www.duolingo.com/Plamsy

Chlopiec vs. Chlopcem

what is the difference between them? If it was accusative shouldn't that be chlopca ?

December 13, 2015

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https://www.duolingo.com/alukasiak
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“Chłopiec” is the Nominative form, that is the most basic one, used mainly when “chłopiec” is the subject of the sentence.

“Chłopca” is the Accusative form, it follows verbs which require an object, such as “lubić” (to like), “mieć” (to have) etc.

“Chłopcem” is the Instrumental form. It follows, most of all, the verb “być” (its forms are: jest, jestem, jesteś etc.)

If you have any doubts concerning the case of a noun, look up the hint for that word – there's a pretty high chance that it is specified in gray parentheses there.

The Tips & Notes for the Defining skill might be helpful too. Following your question, I have added an explanation saying that “być” is followed by the Instrumental. It should also be clear from the examples in the tables.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Plamsy

Ok, but the tips and notes only taught the accusative and nominative so far, not instrumental. So, that is why I was confused.

December 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/alukasiak
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The Instrumental is first used in Defining, and that's where the Tips & Notes for the Instrumental are.

December 14, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/br0d4
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chłopiec - boy; male declension type II with special forms in singular Genitive(D),Accusative(C),Vocative(W) and plural Nominative(M),Genitive(D).

CHŁOPIEC m II {@style=float:left;width:100%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal;font-weight: bold; color: #FFFFFF; background-color: #00BFFF; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;}

Case PL {@style=float:left;width:20%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal;font-weight: bold; color: #FFFFFF; background-color: #00BFFF; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} Sample questions {@style=float:left;width:35%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal;font-weight: bold; color: #FFFFFF; background-color: #00BFFF; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} Case EN {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal;font-weight: bold; color: #FFFFFF; background-color: #00BFFF; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} singular {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal;font-weight: bold; color: #FFFFFF; background-color: #00BFFF; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} plural {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal;font-weight: bold; color: #FFFFFF; background-color: #00BFFF; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;}

1.Mianownik {@style=float:left;width:20%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} kto? co? (jest) {@style=float:left;width:35%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} Nominative {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} chłopiec {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} chłopcy {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;}

2.Dopełniacz {@style=float:left;width:20%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} kogo? czego? (nie ma) {@style=float:left;width:35%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} Genitive {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} chłopca {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} chłopców {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;}

3.Celownik {@style=float:left;width:20%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} komu? czemu? (się przyglądam) {@style=float:left;width:35%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} Dative {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} chłopcu {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} chłopcom {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;}

4.Biernik {@style=float:left;width:20%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} kogo? co? (widzę) {@style=float:left;width:35%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} Accusative {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} chłopca {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} chłopców {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;}

5.Narzędnik {@style=float:left;width:20%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} z kim? z czym? (idę) {@style=float:left;width:35%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} Instrumental {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} z chłopcem {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} z chłopcami {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;}

6.Miejscownik {@style=float:left;width:20%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} o kim? o czym? (myślę) {@style=float:left;width:35%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} Locative {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} o chłopcu {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} o chłopcach {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;}

7.Wołacz {@style=float:left;width:20%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} o! {@style=float:left;width:35%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} Vocative {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} chłopcze! {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;} chłopcy! {@style=float:left;width:15%; border:1px #1caff6; border-style:solid; padding:6px; font-style:normal; white-space:nowrap;text-overflow:clip;}

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December 15, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Plamsy

14 translations for "boy" ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

December 15, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/br0d4
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No, these are not "14 translations". You may think about multitude of translations for some words like "beat" or "blow" - which translate to different words, depending on associated usage. But in this case it is only one translation with several forms thereof.

December 21, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike

Chłopcem is instrumental. From what I understand, być takes instrumental sometimes, but also *nominative sometimes; I wish there were notes on this. After the first few lessons of the Polish course it feels like one is walking off a continental shelf into an ever-deepening abyss of strange, explanation-less grammar of the deep. I do hope that the Polish team will add lots more notes soon, as they are desperately needed.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/alukasiak
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A correction: Być almost always takes the Instrumental, I don't think it ever takes the Accusative.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike

I meant nominative, not accusative (I was at least thinking this while I typed the opposite of it). You can say nom. jest nom. as a statement of identity, can't you? I'm sure I read it somewhere, along with some other circumstances I can't remember.

Incidentally, I really appreciate that you took the trouble to state the case(s) of so many words on mouseover--thank you, this is a great help; I only wish they'd done it in the Russian course, too.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Vengir

I believe what you read about is "to" form. "X to Y" translates mostly as "X is Y", but it doesn't actually use the verb "być". In fact, it doesn't even use an actual verb at all! In that form, indeed, both X and Y are in nominative.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, you could use "to jest" instead of just "to", but it always require "to" to be nominative on both sides.

December 13, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/EzekielG.

Can someone enlist all Translation (States) of the word Chłopiec? How many changes are all in a certain word in polish? Example. Chłopiec, Chłopcy, Chłopcem...... What others?

Dzięki

October 12, 2018

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You may check all the forms of any Polish word, including their different meanings that may have different inflection, in the Grammatical Dictionary of Polish Language, e.g.: "chłopiec" (you'd better disregard those forms that are greyed out: they are either obsolete or disrespectful)

October 12, 2018
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